The True Alpha

[Nutz]

Personally I believe Alpha-ness can, and does, have a concrete, objective definition. The problem arises when anyone asserts that they can definitively outline Alpha traits and it conflicts with the subjectiveness and ego-investments of those who define it personally for themselves. So we get a wide variety of what makes a man Alpha - he's the guy of high moral character, princely ambition and integrity, as well as the self-important cad banging his wife and "their" girlfriend. They are BOTH Alpha. Thus I would propose that objective Alpha-ness is NOT exclusive to social status or personal integrity, but rather an attitude of expressly manifested confidence. This can be innate or learned, but the definition is not dependent on moral grounds (or a lack of). A scoundrel and a champion can be equally Alpha or Beta in their psyche's.

Good post up to this part which feels like a cop-out. You mentioned there being observable characteristics that women favorably respond to in a sexual manner. Those are what makes a man alpha, regardless of how anyone views him. This self-conceptualized definition is subjective as hell and more often just fitting the round ego peg into the square hole worldview. Sometimes it's more obvious, but generally that's what's happening, like with many of the haters in this very thread.

 

[Warrior74]

Good post up to this part which feels like a cop-out. You mentioned there being observable characteristics that women favorably respond to in a sexual manner. Those are what makes a man alpha, regardless of how anyone views him. This self-conceptualized definition is subjective as hell and more often just fitting the round ego peg into the square hole worldview. Sometimes it's more obvious, but generally that's what's happening, like with many of the haters in this very thread.

Which it's impossible to really talk about as it's an abstract and an ideal. Do some guys have more game than others? Oh yes? Do some guys have the perfect combination of everything? Hell yah. Is that going to help me? Not much, the only thing I can learn from those guys is how they dress, how they treat women and create attraction. But lacking in extreme good looks or wealth, I know I won't have the same leverage that guy does. Game is the equalizer. Game is about improving yourself as man. Becoming a real man instead of some ideal alpha dude.

 

[Jeffst1980]

I had to laugh scrolling through this thread, because it was so typical of many MM threads:

-Poster posts something controversial
-Rollo warns that there will be "haters"
-A few posters raise concerns about the OP
-Rollo analyzes the psychological motivations of a hypothetical "hater"
-No real dialogue takes place.

NOBODY EVEN JUDGED THE OP's PROTAGONIST AS LACKING IN MORAL CHARACTER!

It was said that the way that he talked to his wife was disrespectful by today's standards- completely true. If you don't buy that, try talking to your girlfriend about other women that way and see how it goes over.

The concern was also raised that, since he MARRIED this woman, he's setting himself up to lose half his assets the minute she gets sick and tired of his lifestyle. WHY WOULD HE MARRY HER?? The swinging part is fine, but why give her entitlement to his assets? I have a feeling she's just biding her time, and will cash in soon enough. Remember--plenty of wealthy alphas still get divorced.

Which brings us to the "alpha male" definition. Is he alpha? Certainly. Does he exhibit excellent frame control? In his own way, yes. Is it a good situation for him? At the moment, yes. Can he keep this up indefinitely? I seriously doubt it. It sounds cool to be able to say that your wife lets you bang other chicks, but we're not getting the full story here.

Being alpha is just a starting point. Personally, I'd rather be a wildly successful bachelor with a ton of options.

 

[Julian]

Oh hai guise wow strong judgement going on in this thread. Before you are so quick to assume anything whatsoever, you must realize that love/family dynamics can be to extremes. I will spare you a diatribe on why but there is nothing wrong with dudes behavior. But at the end of the day


haters gon' hate



you mad???

















brah.

 

[Powerlifter]

RT, your last paragraph sums it up very well.

I see myself as alpha because I have a house paid for in full, a truck, car, boat paid for in full, no debt whatsoever and wealth builded up over time by my own investment choices when others were against my decision. I took charge of my own knowledge of which the experts didn't have thats an alpha trait it's your survival and important to make wise choices when it comes to your money.

I choose the women I want to date and they must be of quality and education but above all have a caring love for life atittude and respect of me as I respect her for remember I have chosen a quality woman.

Alpha is a protector of love ones which include aging parents and their care and wellbeing in old age. Protection of whom he is with on a date at any given time and that does mean a fighters mindset and being I am single an alpha can also be married which is a protector of love ones which is his wife and children.

There is more but that to me is what is important as a foundation to being respected and admired from others and what I feel a mature and educated woman would admire in a given man and if it has to have a label or title then it's alpha..I am proud to be an alpha in this regard.

Maybe the mindset of the forum is different for it's all about vagina counts and how many they can deposit their seed in and pound that hairless chest in victory.

My mindset at my age and actually has been since my 20's is quality over quantity and keeping a balanced life along with keeping my wealth and not making foolish decisions. My top of the list is being happy and having a life of balance. I do this on my own merit and women who come into my life are only a bonus and side effect of my behavior which is positive survival for I am alpha.

But as the OP's screen name implies he is nutz if he admirers this type of alpha he has posted about but as a alpha myself what that alpha does is really none of my business or concern and I could care less I have my own life to contend with that alone keeps me alpha.

Peace

Powerlifter

Personally I believe Alpha-ness can, and does, have a concrete, objective definition. The problem arises when anyone asserts that they can definitively outline Alpha traits and it conflicts with the subjectiveness and ego-investments of those who define it personally for themselves. So we get a wide variety of what makes a man Alpha - he's the guy of high moral character, princely ambition and integrity, as well as the self-important cad banging his wife and "their" girlfriend. They are BOTH Alpha. Thus I would propose that objective Alpha-ness is NOT exclusive to social status or personal integrity, but rather an attitude of expressly manifested confidence. This can be innate or learned, but the definition is not dependent on moral grounds (or a lack of). A scoundrel and a champion can be equally Alpha or Beta in their psyche's.

 

[backbreaker]

taiyuu_otoko is bringing the pain. that was one of the best posts i have ever read on this forum. ever.

 

[Powerlifter]

I think someone has had one to many to drink and a dose of drugs to go with it.

Powerlifter

 

[2crudedudes]

From what I've gathered in my time on this forum, an alpha is simply a dominant male who gets what he wants from life, including but not limited to his pick of women. A DJ is an alpha that also has class, sophistication, and strong moral convictions.

So in a sense, being a DJ is the next logical (yet completely unnecessary) step after alpha.

A lot of "naturals" are alpha, but they don't worry about being DJs. These men could probably get through life and be completely happy the way they are.

Some guys are more ambitious and choose to go the extra steps, and that's what makes them DJs.

 

[The Message Boy]

The problem with the concept of "alpha" is that it's difficult to define (you have about 100 different definitions of it) and I don't know of ANY girl that f.ucks a guy because he's "alpha."

And are you "alpha" all the time and in every situation? You lead/dominate every situation? Really?

There's also a misconception that beta males don't get laid, and that beta males are weak.

Who the F.UCK is alpha or beta all the time? Doesn't every man have a mixture of both?

This forum gets more cartoonish by the minute and 99% of this sh.it no longer applies to reality. It just applies to the "Rollo Team".

 

[boomerick]

Well......

If you look at historical posts the Rollo team certainly seems to be rellevent and historically appreciated ie well received on this forum......

Maybe you should rack up their track record prior to judgeing them so harshly...

Wait a minute.....hmmmm...shaming them so harshly......

And as far as an Alpha is concerned......don't worry....

I think it's safe to say you will never really find a definition that works for you.....

Over and Out.

 

[The Message Boy]

Well......

If you look at historical posts the Rollo team certainly seems to be rellevent and historically appreciated ie well received on theis forum......

Maybe you should rack up their track record prior to judgeing them so harshly...

Wait a minute.....hmmmm...shaming them so harshly......

And as far as an Alpha is concerned......don't worry....

I think it's safe to say you will never really find a definition that works for you.....

Over and Out.

Dude WTF are you doing, following me from thread to thread? I'm going over in the Health and Fitness section next, you wanna come??

 

[boomerick]

Sorry....

As a rule I don't date forum members but thank you very much for thinking of me.....

Over and Out.

PS I'm sure the health and fitness guys will feel ashamed of all they've done wrong also.....

 

[Powerlifter]

The Rollo Team?

Sounds like a good idea for a made for TV Movie staring non other than Rollo himself this fall on CBS.

Powerlifter

 

[Alle_Gory]

Choose your frame well, hold it with all your mental might, and the world will filter itself for you.

I'm still not understanding what the frame really is. Composure?

Like if you're an actor playing a fictional character, the frame would be how closely you can emulate that character without breaking back into your normal self?

 

[zekko]

I'm still not understanding what the frame really is. Composure?

Holding the frame is when your sense of reality is stronger than other peoples' sense of reality. So they accept your sense of reality. It is controlling the context of the situation.

Like if you believe you are a man of value, and act like it accordingly, then others accept that you are a man of value.

 

[Jordie]

IMO, the guy in the story is an alpha because he's living his life the way he wants and doesn't seem to be harming anyone in the process.

I'll have to agree though that they way he talks to people is disrespectful, if he talks like that to his wife in the presence of others, even his friends, his friends will lose respect for his wife which in turn causes them to lose respect for him.

I find that behavior kinda childish.

 

[backbreaker]

The problem with the concept of "alpha" is that it's difficult to define (you have about 100 different definitions of it) and I don't know of ANY girl that f.ucks a guy because he's "alpha."

And are you "alpha" all the time and in every situation? You lead/dominate every situation? Really?

There's also a misconception that beta males don't get laid, and that beta males are weak.

Who the F.UCK is alpha or beta all the time? Doesn't every man have a mixture of both?

This forum gets more cartoonish by the minute and 99% of this sh.it no longer applies to reality. It just applies to the "Rollo Team".

there is some truth to this

 

[zekko]

IMO, the guy in the story is an alpha because he's living his life the way he wants and doesn't seem to be harming anyone in the process.

It's great that he's living his life the way he wants but I don't see how that makes him an alpha. The guy telling the story may even be more alpha than he is, he apparently has a better looking girlfriend (a model).

There's something else in this story no one has commented on. That's when the guy says about the second girl ""Kristen is our girlfriend". Meaning that she is also his wife's girlfriend. His wife apparently likes to get some bisexual action going on. She may be getting just as much, or more, out of the situation as he is. She may have even been the one to suggest it, and may have found her in the first place.

 

[Alle_Gory]

Holding the frame is when your sense of reality is stronger than other peoples' sense of reality. So they accept your sense of reality. It is controlling the context of the situation.

Like if you believe you are a man of value, and act like it accordingly, then others accept that you are a man of value.

So it's just belief in yourself.

 

[zekko]

So it's just belief in yourself.

I think it's a little more than that, because you have to be able to IMPOSE your reality on others. You believe in yourself, but you're making others believe it too.