The Treachery of Older Men Against Younger Men

[The_flying_dutchman]

Well gentlemen, for the longest time I’ve always denied it to myself. But circumstances have recently unfolded in my life that has made me reevaluate the situation around me. And perhaps we all already know this but it’s time to say it openly: we, the young generation of men, are systematically being targeted by the older generation of men whom wish to maintain their position until their deaths—not wanting to pass on the torch to the next generation. These older men maintain their position either by directly plotting our downfall/failure, or by simply denying us opportunity.

As a young man, I walk into work every day and see hostile looks on the faces of the older men in upper management. Why? Because I’m a young man that’s educated and hold a respectable position. They don’t like that. They see it as an affront to their position – it’s a constant reminder that they’re getting old and their egos simply can’t stand to see a young man on the come up.
Which is why we’re seeing more and more women being promoted into positions power, simply because these men don’t view women as an affront to their ego. Also, modern media is really pushing the gay agenda which intends to delude straight men into thinking that behaving in an effeminate manner is the only way to advance one’s self – all in an attempt to keep the young generation of men in line and under control.

I honestly believe that a lot of young men of this generation will be lost simply because we lack the mentorship that the previous generations had. Without this mentorship, most young men will be directionless. To add to this, it seems that the older generation of men encourage this lack of direction through their inaction, or worse, they seek to sabotage the young ones with direction and ambition. It's the classic case of Chronos eating his children for fear that they will one day overthrow him.

I honestly believe that the time has come for young men to look to each other for wisdom rather than the older generation. With our varied backgrounds and life experiences, we can provide useful information that can benefit all of us as a whole. It’s a way for us to form our own enterprises, our own networks, our own socio-economic subset of the economy. Most importantly, it’s a way for us to diminish the influence that the older generation has on our culture.

It doesn’t need to be anything grandiose, it could be as simple as giving advice to a youngster that’s just coming out of high school, or entering community college, or just starting a new job. If we can be provide guidance for each other and mentor the next generation, perhaps there’s still a chance to save America from the destruction that’s been brought on by the baby-boomer generation – the most selfish, useless, self-entitled, and greedy generation in American history.

 

[BeDJ]

Your mentality is the reason for the failures you described.

 

[Tictac]

Paranoia is not a good career skill.

Get over yourself and get busy.

 

[speed dawg]

If we can be provide guidance for each other and mentor the next generation, perhaps there’s still a chance to save America from the destruction that’s been brought on by the baby-boomer generation – the most selfish, useless, self-entitled, and greedy generation in American history.

I agree with that part.

It's not about age IMO, it's simple the plugged vs. unplugged; blue pill vs. red pill; beta vs. alpha; feminized vs. masculine; etc....whatever you want to call it. There's still a ton of wisdom in older men. But AFC betas (used in a general sense) come in all ages, some die that way. You getting bitter towards all older men will do nothing but handicap you.

But I definitely agree that those of us who are unplugged owe the younger generation, we need to pass on what we know.

 

[dasein]

This didn't just happen last week, welcome to the working world since the ascendance of the service economy. News for you, climbers at work consider -any- legitimate competition a threat, your age, their age, white, black, female. It's not just old men being "treacherous" (lol what? do they owe you a widdle headpat, special snowflake?) towards young men, but grubby rat racers being Machiavellian towards anyone with whom they aren't expressly allied. What you should take away from this is that the quicker you become an equity/capital creator as opposed to a labor seller, the quicker you escape the phenomenon you are describing.

 

[The_flying_dutchman]

Your mentality is the reason for the failures you described.

I'm 31 years old, educated from a good university, earn a $80k salary, own my own small home, and have held a stable job for many years. By most standards I'm quite successful. I haven't failed at much. This thread isn't a rant about some wrong that I perceived was done to me, it's about the trend that I'm witnessing on a greater scale geared towards young men in their 20's....I'm not in my 20's and yet I'm still concerned for that generation due to what I'm seeing in the world.

 

[The_flying_dutchman]

I agree with that part.

It's not about age IMO, it's simple the plugged vs. unplugged; blue pill vs. red pill; beta vs. alpha; feminized vs. masculine; etc....whatever you want to call it. There's still a ton of wisdom in older men. But AFC betas (used in a general sense) come in all ages, some die that way. You getting bitter towards all older men will do nothing but handicap you.

But I definitely agree that those of us who are unplugged owe the younger generation, we need to pass on what we know.

We certainly owe this to the next generation --- they are the future of this world, they are our sons.

The problem with the current generation of old men in power is that they are only concerned with self preservation and holding their own comfortable positions that they don't see the need to guide the next generation.

And no, I"m not including myself in the generation that needs guidance, I'm already established, I'm talking about these kids coming up.

I was at Macy's the other day doing some shopping when this 19 year old kid came up to me and asked me how to buy a dress shirt. I explained to him that shirts should be bought based on neck size, then by sleeve length, then by cut (regular, slim, slim fit). I also explained to him that he shouldn't buy it from Macy's because it's a ripoff for the types of shirts he's buying and I showed him where to buy the same quality clothes for much less.

The kid was genuinely grateful, he was going to community college at night and was interviewing for a clerical type of job. I asked him if his dad ever explained these things to him and he said his dad works as a CNC machinist or something and doesn't know about professional attire.

This anecdote highlights the point that I'm trying to make, it's that these kids don't have any guidance and we ought to be helping them because they're the heirs of this country.

They can't rely on the old dudes to offer any help to them so we have to step up. I encourage all of you to do the same in your own lives. Please don't neglect these kids, they already have it hard enough with absentee parents, treacherous old bastards denying them opportunities, media bullsh!t that guilts them into being ashamed of their own masculinity, it goes on and on.

Help them out.

 

[zekko]

As a baby boomer, let me say this: Yes, I believe history has shown that the baby boomers were wrong with launching their counterculture movement without having anything worthwhile to replace it. It's not enough to just tear down tradition.

Having said that, I don't see where subsequent generations have done anything to turn things around. Children are supposed to rebel against their parents (to an extent) and establish their own identity. Instead, it seems to me that the generations after the baby boomers have simply taken things further into socialism, feminism, apathy, materialism, and self entitlement.

You don't have to look any further than the comments on this forum to see that the women of today are the worst in the history of the country. Yes, my generation sucks (music aside). But instead of rebelling against what isn't working, subsequent generations are just embracing the worst of what their parents offered, and adding in their own brand of psycopathy and entitlement.

 

[Tictac]

we lack the mentorship that the previous generations had.

What a joke!

What mentors?

 

[user43770]

The baby boomers adopted socialism, materialism, and apathy and we in the younger generation are paying for it dearly. Agree 100% with the OP, +1

+1. Captain Capitalism touches on this subject quite a bit.

 

[The_flying_dutchman]

Paranoia is not a good career skill.

Get over yourself and get busy.

I have no doubt that you've had to work hard in your life...but the difference is that you at least had the opportunity to work hard.

These kids these days are being denied opportunities. So many of these youngsters send out resumes, chase job openings only to be flatly turned down for no reason (other than because they are young males).....These kids want to work hard but aren't given the chance.

So please, don't try to act like you know how it is. You're not part of the younger generation that's being systematically marginalized so you can't relate. And so far you haven't even contributed anything to this discussion other than "bah, humbug...."

 

[Tictac]

There's little to contribute to Dutch.

I have three kids. They're a lot like you - well educated and working. I asked them about your post.

They laughed.

You idealize a past that never was (and know even less about) and then say how bad things are now.

The good old days - they sucked.

 

[Warrior74]

Dear OP.



I work at a major corporation right now, and I recently had the dubious honor of sitting with the CFO during a luncheon. There were only 4 of us at the table, my supervisor, a young guy from another department and myself. Everyone is scared shytless of this guy. He's blunt and will fire people on the spot. Nobody would say a word to him and just a smile laugh and agree with whatever he said. I mentioned that I met his wife a few months back at a baby shower for his grandson. I used to work with his oldest son. He asked me about my family, and I told him I was divorced and had a daughter. We talked about raising girls vs boys. Then I talked about how I was new with the company but I had a few ideas from my old job that we could implement.

Later in our department sessions I asked a few key questions and afterwards he told me that I would do good here and he expected good things from me and he would mention me to his son. Now you can say I was kissing up, or you could say that as the new guy I really had nothing to lose by treating him as a human being and having a conversation that was real and not yes-manning him to death. Either way, the last two times he's been back to our office he's stopped by and said hello and we chat like normal folk. Until you have to the balls to not be scared of management and to show that you can think and speak and be responsible, they will treat you with disdain. When you show you can play the rest of the game, they will see if you are ready. This is how it works. Here's some light reading for you.

http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-or-the-office-according-to-the-office/

 

[zekko]

It isn't the older generation, they are as much a slave to it as you are. They lived through a similar tough time in the 70's.

That's true, we went through some rough recessions in the 70s and early 80s. I had some hard times finding work and I had some similar bitter feelings at the time.

I think part of it is just one of the inherent disadvantages to being young, unfortunately. When times get hard, businesses are reluctant to hire people with little experience. It's the old catch-22: You need to work to get experience, but you need experience to get a job.

Anyway, I thought half the people into pickup were entrepreneurs.