The traps of the 20's and how to be a guaranteed HB8

[zinc4]

I feel 10x better driving my new leased $60k BMW than I did driving my not-so-new car, that I was lucky to get $6k out of when I sold it.

It's all in your motive. I didn't upgrade for a woman; I did it because my new car is fast as fuk, and I can drive like a maniac. I enjoy sitting behind the steering wheel and commanding so much power. It makes driving fun again!

I really do NOT understand guys who make solid money, but are terrified of spending it (especially on themselves!). You can't take it with you.

I also don't understand guys who fault women for choosing men who obviously have money. It's the nature of things.

We choose them primarily for their beauty; they choose us primarily for our resources. I hold no illusions to the contrary.

Sure, there are a few hot girls out there who will settle with a broke guy, or a guy who is well-off yet tight-fisted. These girls, to put it simply, are retarded.

This mindset of, "If I obviously have money and a woman chooses to be with me, she only cares about my money" is about as beta as it gets. It's reminiscent of the fairy tale of unconditional love and romance, that so many men are quick to dismiss as fantasy on this forum. (And rightly so!) Who cares if she only cares about your money? Would you even give her a second thought if she wasn't hot and you didn't want to fuk her?

This is the stupidest thing i have ever heard on here...and it speaks volumes about the types of women you have been dating...

A real high quality woman never chooses a man based on how much money he makes...that be said she ain't going to choose a bum, but after a stable average income rate, money would not be a factor....only low quality women choose men for their money...maybe you should try meeting a real high quality woman and see for yourself how much your money matters...by the way 99 percent of women aren't high quality...they are very rare...

 

[49au]

Money is a factor. It is not the only factor.

But all other things being equal, a desirable woman will choose the option with more money (whether real or perceived). And can you really blame them?

And your hypothesis that "low quality women" use money as a basis for choosing men, is actually contrary to the widely held view of this forum, that women are primarily self-interested and see men as interchangeable ATM machines (hypergamy, branch swinging, etc.).

This is simple. It's instinctive. The hottest, most sought after women, know that they can obtain men with a lot of resources, and give them and their children a comfortable lifestyle.

Money doesn't mean you will hold their sexual attraction or loyalty; you still need to have game and maintain your appearance.

 

[Oxide]

For me the important biggies as I deal with more mature people and women now seem to be:

1. You need to be heading somewhere, where you can afford a place. House somewhere down the line. Meaning you want to have or be on a path to a decent career

2. You have emotional intelligence and experience with being in a relationship, understanding what you want. You don't play as a kid, or a teen. You understand women from first hand experience.

3. You understand people, and can step to look into their shoes. You are not self absorbed and are tactful, knowing that reputation does start to count.


I want to disagree with all 3 as I am still wild, but to me this is my list of things that I think are important as I approach 30.

 

[BeDJ]

Money is a factor. It is not the only factor.

But all other things being equal, a desirable woman will choose the option with more money (whether real or perceived). And can you really blame them?

And your hypothesis that "low quality women" use money as a basis for choosing men, is actually contrary to the widely held view of this forum, that women are primarily self-interested and see men as interchangeable ATM machines (hypergamy, branch swinging, etc.).

This is simple. It's instinctive. The hottest, most sought after women, know that they can obtain men with a lot of resources, and give them and their children a comfortable lifestyle.

Money doesn't mean you will hold their sexual attraction or loyalty; you still need to have game and maintain your appearance.

Well said.

The hottest women I have ever seen are in sales. They know they're hot and use that to make money. I brought one into a meeting and my customer texted me 'she's hot, single?' While we were all in the room.

I prefer these type of women. Driven. Sexy. Money makers. They don't get fat because their career depends on it.

With that being said, money and game are equally important to get hot women. Pull up in a Lambo and it's a done deal. Understanding Game will help avoid costly mistakes. Men who aren't Game aware do get burned.

Women don't necessarily want money to be spent on them. At the end of the day, women want providers. Be Someone who is perceived as a provider. Make that money. I'm fvcking pumped for work today!

 

[VictorK]

Great post backbreaker

I've been a little down lately in a dating slump (not meeting women that I'm really interested in) but I keep telling myself it's a numbers game.

I'm 32,
no kids
never married
no debt
no baggage
6'5 220lbs, in good shape
make close to six figures/year

I'm not a flashy guy (drive used cars and don't wear bling or designer clothes)..some friends have told me I need to be more forthcoming about myself when I meet women to show them right away I'm a good catch. To me it comes off as bragging but they look at it as 'selling oneself' as men trying to get quality HB's are all sellers and the women are defacto buyers.

Any advice?

 

[backbreaker]

where are u looking


we had a big debate about this about a year ago but i am steadfast bout this. if you want quality women find quality hobbies.

there is a hot chick i know who is single and ****less lol and the only way you would ever find her is if you A. went to her job, b. did jeep trial rides on the weekend with her trial ride group or c. did kickboxing. that's all she does. you aren't going to meet her through a bar or online.

quality women have quality hobbies. or at least unique hobbies.

i call it niche dating.

 

[VictorK]

where are u looking


we had a big debate about this about a year ago but i am steadfast bout this. if you want quality women find quality hobbies.

there is a hot chick i know who is single and ****less lol and the only way you would ever find her is if you A. went to her job, b. did jeep trial rides on the weekend with her trial ride group or c. did kickboxing. that's all she does. you aren't going to meet her through a bar or online.

quality women have quality hobbies. or at least unique hobbies.

i call it niche dating.

Niche Dating....Hey I'm willing to give it a shot

I joined a tennis club but unfortunately didn't meet any women there. I am normally meeting women out at events or through online. I've been trying to get involved more in my community and setting up a beach volleyball event at my church, so we'll see how it goes.

I've been trying to meet women at my church but I seem to be stuck on a no mans lands (the attractive women 26-32 are unavailable/married..and the younger women 23-25 aren't as open to dating men in their 30s as perhaps some other women in different communities would be).

Am I on the right track by trying to organize these hobby events?

 

[backbreaker]

yes


something else. i workout everyday. at one point i was jacked i'm 5'8 and at one point i was about 185-190 and i had a little fat on me but not a hell of a lot. i looked like a college running back, i am naturallys tocky as it is. i got told i was in great shape all the time and i was

but when i dropped 15 pounds and got down to 170 and trimmed up and kept most of my muscle but lost some of it but lost ALL that fat, the game changed seriously. like, seriously.

i have found in my almost 30 years of this forum that women strongly prefer athletic but slimmer guys over "in shape muscular" guys and while you might be in shape you might not be in shape enough to turn heads.

that's why i refuse to put on more muscle i found my sweet spot.

being in head turning shape is the great equalizer, it will make 21 year olds want to talk to 31 year olds, it will make white chicks want to talk to black chicks, etc. i've done all of that.

 

[VictorK]

yes


something else. i workout everyday. at one point i was jacked i'm 5'8 and at one point i was about 185-190 and i had a little fat on me but not a hell of a lot. i looked like a college running back, i am naturallys tocky as it is. i got told i was in great shape all the time and i was

but when i dropped 15 pounds and got down to 170 and trimmed up and kept most of my muscle but lost some of it but lost ALL that fat, the game changed seriously. like, seriously.

i have found in my almost 30 years of this forum that women strongly prefer athletic but slimmer guys over "in shape muscular" guys and while you might be in shape you might not be in shape enough to turn heads.

that's why i refuse to put on more muscle i found my sweet spot.

being in head turning shape is the great equalizer, it will make 21 year olds want to talk to 31 year olds, it will make white chicks want to talk to black chicks, etc. i've done all of that.

Thanks man, you have an interesting perspective and I'm glad you took the time to share you thoughts...appreciate it.

My philosophy is to 'play to my strengths', that I naturally have. (although I feel I could do a better job at this) For me the first thing women or anyone for that matter notice is my height. I sometimes think I could use my height more to my advantage when it comes to selling myself to women...

I'm 6'5/6'6 so when I walk into a room people know I'm there. I'm 220lbs but at my height I don't come across as stocky. I hit the gym 3/4 times a week to stay in shape...but Im not trying to bulk up. Maybe I'm 10 lbs of weight loss away from women who just notice me...to women giving me the 'come over here' gaze from across the room?