The Things Some Women Do

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I've had an opportunity to travel to very many parts of the world and I see without a doubt that it is indeed true women behave pretty much the same way all over the world: they love attention, love to be pursued, love to be in positions of power particularly during the initial phases of a potential relationship. Having had experience with the US dating scene for over 13 years, I've come to find myself going through some of the same things right here in my home country in Central Africa where I've been working for the past three years.


A woman joined my gym over here fairly recently and in comparison to the majority of those whom I had been seeing before, she did grab my attention. She is tall and has a very big, guitar-like shaped ass...the kind of ass that would make you hit the car in front of you and get involved in an accident if you saw her walking down the street. Her ass is so remarkable in anything she wears and when she wears pants, it's just outrageous.


So I noticed for quite some time that whenever she used to be on the treadmill, she would always turn around and look at me each time she saw me going down the stairs while exiting the gym. Every single time I walk past the treadmill area, she would follow me with her eyes until I left the gym. When I did finally take a chance and talk to her last week, the vibe I got from her suggested to me that she had been expecting me to make a move.


We went out twice so far: our first date was last Wednesday at a bar not far from the gym we go to. Our second date was last Friday at a restaurant, and she already began kissing me on my lips while I was driving her home. She told me she found me attractive and charming. When we first met, she assumed I was much younger than her because when most people look at me, they assume I'm between 25 and 28 years old whereas I'm actually 34 years old. So when I told her my age, she seemed shocked, and claimed she was the same age as me-although for some reason I didn't exactly believe it because facially she looks in my opinion like a woman at least going toward her late 30s, if not in her late 30s already.



Everything seemed to have played out well. I dropped her off last Friday and then on Monday this week, she sent me a text message to check on me and saying she had a bad toothache and therefore wasn't going to make it to the gym that day. I responded expressing that I wished her a quick recovery. On Tuesday I gave her a call to ask how she felt and she said she was much better and was at work. I proposed to her that it would be great to meet again this weekend and get to know each other a bit more if possible. She agreed. On Wednesday I still didn't see her at the gym, so I wondered if she was still feeling bad. I sent her a text message to check on her but to this day (Friday) she hasn't responded.


For that reason, I too have decided that I wouldn't bother calling or text messaging her if she doesn't do so either. Thus, both of us have been silent since then. When I was in my mid to late twenties in the US, I used to have a tendency to suffer from "oneitis," and I've learned a lot from some of my past mistakes and don't want to repeat them again. I've promised myself that I would never again let a woman feel she's of higher value than me. I once had met a woman at a gym in the US under fairly similar circumstances but I developed a tendency to call and text message her so often in my "oneitis" that she eventually devalued me and stopped taking my calls and responding to my text messages. And then to provoke me, she once came to the gym with some other guy-even though very opposite looking than me physically-not muscular or well built and with a very big, beer belly and they both got in the swimming pool in another area of the gym. It hurt me greatly back then but I healed from the wounds.


This particular woman over here was holding my hand, kissing me on my lips and telling me how well built I am and so on. But I've been in this game long enough to expect any sort of outcome. Most women who do have those big, unique asses that attract a lot of attention in general tend to be high maintenance because they believe they can use what they have to get anyone they want. But it's my weakness-I have a strong preference for big booty chicks, so what's a man gotta do? Anyway, I'm generally not a big fan of getting involved with women whom I tend to see frequently: offices, gyms, etc., because when things don't work out, it's really hard to have to deal with continuing to see that face over and over. But in this woman's case, I had thought it would be right to go closer to her considering how I felt she used to look at me all the time. However, I've decided I would never call or text message her again if she doesn't think I deserve the common courtesy of a response to my text message of Wednesday.
 

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Don't text her. If she initiates, fine. If she doesn't, so what? Her loss.

Always remember, they can easily be replaced.
 

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That's exactly the way I think now, 5string. Thanks a lot for your response. During my nice guy and "oneitis" days, I went through so much pain and so many heart-breaking experiences but many years later, I've come to see that in the end, those experiencs all contributed toward making me a stronger, wiser person. I'm absolutely not going to text or call her. Some close friends of mine who still have the AFC/nice guy mindset whom I shared this stroy with, tried to pressure and persuade me to re-initiate communication with the woman in question but I stood my grounds. It's her loss, not mine.
 

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This is when I say "NEXT"! Just another woman full of schitt! Pretty typical female behavior.....which is truly pathetic. You are in the right frame of mind Frank. I bet you hear from her again and she'll try to pin it on you on why you lost contact. ;-) Thats when she becomes your "hit it and quit it" girl! ONly good for one thing now.
 

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I cant see the part were you had se x with her or at least attempted to??
 

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OP, you're handling this just fine. Ball is in her court and if she is really into you she'll be contacting you again. This may be a **** test on her part to see if you will chase after her. I don't think this one is necessarily dead yet, but keep your options elsewhere open.
 

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Frank2500 said:
We went out twice so far: our first date was last Wednesday at a bar not far from the gym we go to. Our second date was last Friday at a restaurant, and she already began kissing me on my lips while I was driving her home. She told me she found me attractive and charming.
That was your window of opportunity. Why didn't you have sex with her that night, or at least escalate things physically?
 

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He's in Central Africa and probably worried about HIV. That would make me takes things slowly, too.
I understand that and Id be concerned too, but then if I was there, I wouldnt be looking to do the deed with anyone!

the fact is though he doesnt appear to have escalated, if you dont do that, it turns some women off.
 

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@Bible Belt: You're right on point, bro. Where I am isn't the US. The HIV/AIDS rate is very, very high. There are so many women out here looking so beautiful, healthy and radiant but you just never know which of them may or may not be infected. The unfortunate thing is only a relatively small percentage of men believe in using condoms regularly during sex and women here seldom put pressure on them to develop the habit of wearing condoms. So that's how diseases spread. An infected person infects someone who wasn't infected while knowing he or she were a carrier. The newly infected person engages in intercourse with someone else while hiding the fact that he or she is HIV positive. You've got some women here with four boyfriends, etc.



The tendency here is to get your potential sexual partner to take an AIDS test before you guys engage in the act and then while she shows you her results, you show her yours as well.



@Betheman: Though I may be in a part of the world with a high HIV rate, it doesn't take off the fact that I'm human. Like any normal man, I do tend to have the desire to be intimate with someone but I've been keeping that desire under control and discipline for four years because of the environment and the high rate of promiscuity and the illnesses that keep on spreading.



With regards to the woman in question, she and I didn't go out at night those two times. It was during the day and to some degree, things actually did escalate physically in terms of the passionate lip kisses we engaged in. But as I said, in this environment you don't want to escalate things too fast physically and find yourself doing something that could cost you your health much later...all because your reasoning was clouded over by lust. At least it was only the second date. It's often from the third date that things tend to escalate rather rapidly. Again, this is a very different environment from the US.



A woman I once had met at a club in the US very many years ago and whom I recently reconnected with (I believe I mentioned that story in one of my posts several months ago about "getting a second chance at the one who got away") is actually trying to see if she could come visit me here for a week in July. If so, that would be awesome and I know we'll have lots of physical play. She has a ridiculously big ass, of course. When I met her at the club, she had on a pair of black pants. I couldn't resist getting her to dance with me.



I've also decided that if the other woman I mentioned in this post were to happen to call or contact me again, I wouldn't return her call immediately. I could call her back the next day or so, because picking up or calling her immediately may give her the impression that I was sitting there waiting anxiously for her to call me. And if she does call, I'll arrange for us to meet face to face and give her some points about certain things I can't tolerate. If she continues to remain silent, so would I, and I'm already gladly considering a back upto replace her. I must say nonetheless that it amazes me when older women play the same games as the younger ones. Sometimes they seem to be even bigger players than younger women.
 

Create self-fulfilling prophecies. Always assume the positive. Assume she likes you. Assume she wants to talk to you. Assume she wants to go out with you. When you think positive, positive things happen.

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Something I Just Remembered...

One of the friends with whom I shared this experience had an argument (and his point isn't unreasonable at all) that as is the case with many women, it wouldn't be unlikely that if this particular woman contacted me again after some time, that may be after she might have met someone else who could perhaps have used her to satisfy his own needs and then dumped her. In that case then, she may try to come back to me as a backup plan but I wouldn't even consider her. The game here is just the same as in the US. Women with those features love to be noticed. They walk down the street in skirts, pants, sweat pants, etc. that look irresistible to most men and immediately capture their attention. Next thing, some dude with a flashy BMW, Hummer, SUV or sports car would pull over and ask if he could over to give her a ride to her intended destination. And in a part of the world with such high poverty levels, the majority of such women would be happy to have a man in a flashy car cater to them. Same old game.
 

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Flakers be flakin'. Don't ask why, just move on.
You're in the right frame of mind, just keep your cool.
 

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Update

So, a few developments: I so far seem to have won the first round of whatever game this woman seems to be playing. Since she goes to the gym very early on Saturday mornings, she called me today at 6:47am our time. I was away from my phone and noticed I had received a missed call from her. I didn't call her back and only sent her a brief text message expressing how I feel about 35 minutes ago. Predictably, she tells me she's sorry and that she did respond to my text message of Wednesday but that I certainly didn't seem to have received it-yeah, right.


She's proposing that we go to a concert or that we could meet today if her schedule permits her, but I want to maintain control of the situation. If I agree to meet with her today, it would be as if I were sitting there desperately hoping she would contact me. I'll tell her today isn't good because I've made other plans. That would permit her to see that I have other things to do besides her. If I had sent her a text message a second time on Wednesday or had been calling her, the story probably would have been different by now. She blew it and my interest in her is certainly not as high up there as it was in the beginning. In the beginning it was at 90 percent; now because of what she did, it's at about 52 percent and she's already in the red zone.
 

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This woman's sh1t testing you big time like all hot women do to their potential suitors. Sounds like she's sizing you up to see if you'll turn AFC on her.

Sh1t test #1: Not Responding to your text in a timely manner. You did well by out waiting her.

**** Test #2: Passing the blame onto you about the text and trying to play the Martyr. Good to be non-chalant here.

**** Test #3: Asking you for a last minute date to see if you've been waiting around for her. It's usually never a good idea to accept a last minute date offer. You want her to give you a few days heads up otherwise she'll treat you like a backburner prospect who she can call up when her other options run dry.
 

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Thanks to Each and Everyone of You For Always Being Supportive

Guys, I would like to take a moment to thank each and everyone of you on this forum who have chipped in to offer me advice, support me, encourage me and prevent me from making wrong decisions and going astray from the moment I joined this forum in 2006. In 2006 I had been going through deep depression when I developed "oneitis" after meeting some other woman at a gym in the US and who not only devalued me because I was constantly calling and text messaging her to "show her my interest," not knowing that all of it was working against me. Of course, she stopped taking my calls, began coming to the gym with a different guy to provoke me and it was so uncomfortable for me to be seeing her face on a regular basis. I consequently switched my gym days and hours.



The wounds were very deep, but when I stumbled on this forum, so many of you on here helped me regain my self esteem and become a stronger man through the advice each of you gave to me and your respective suggestions and proposals. I will still need your helpful suggestions and advice with regards to different circumstances I may be facing in the future, as we all make mistakes and are in a consistent learning process in this game. I just want to take this opportunity to thank each and everyone of you for your helpful responses not only to this post but to all the posts I have submitted on this forum.




Many women out there can be indeed very cold and insensitive and despite all of the pain and heartbreaking experiences that we men have to endure because of some women's impulsive behaviours, society forces us to put up with it. It is my wish that we become more of a family and avoid throwing personal insults at each other when we may be trying to give suggestions and proposals. Just thought I'd say how much I appreciate you guys and thanks for not being tired of me talking about big booty chicks...it's my weakness and I can't help it.
 

Never try to read a woman's mind. It is a scary place. Ignore her confusing signals and mixed messages. Assume she is interested in you and act accordingly.

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What a Hot Date!

So, the woman in question and I met today. The date was wonderful. She just got into town from a four-hour bus ride but said she couldn't resist seeing me. We went out for drinks and I escalated things so well and strategically to the point where the only thing that was left for us to do was to take our clothes off. We had ice cream and took some turns feeding each other from our spoons. We've already agreed that in our next meeting, I'm gonna propose a location where we'll reunite just for sex. She gave me so many lip kisses and I teased her that the next time she's gonna give me 50 of them. She laughed, and said: "I'll give you 260."

I teased again: "Are you sure you'll be able to keep up with me? I have a lot of energy."

She responded: "We'll see, then.

Her ass is so sexy that when she got up from the table one time to use the restroom, a number of guys (including some sitting with women) couldn't resist turning around and staring as she walked by. But I made sure to wear one of my T-shirts that showed off the biceps really well, and as I walked with her, it seemed to deter a lot of them from looking any further. It's definitely all a game.
 

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So she tested me again: During our last date on Sunday last week, I made it clear to her that the next time we meet, it would have to be just us and no one else. That would permit us to play real good with each other and engage in some intensive foreplay. She said she understood.


Yesterday, she called meall of a sudden to say she would have liked us to meet that same day after I was done with work because she's traveling out of town today (Friday) for a family meeting. I told her I couldn't engage myself in such a sudden, last-minute plan and besides, I was going to have a really long day at work and would be returning home late. I told her it was unfortunate she were traveling out of town because I was set for both of us to have an intense intimate moment together this weekend. I told her that I could only meet with her either on Saturday (tomorrow) or Sunday and that we've spent enough time chit chatting in bars and restaurants and that I felt it was more than about time for us to spend time intimately behind closed doors.


She responded saying she'll make sure to return from her journey very early on Sunday so we can meet to do just that...
 

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Frank2500 said:
So she tested me again: During our last date on Sunday last week, I made it clear to her that the next time we meet, it would have to be just us and no one else. That would permit us to play real good with each other and engage in some intensive foreplay. She said she understood.


Yesterday, she called meall of a sudden to say she would have liked us to meet that same day after I was done with work because she's traveling out of town today (Friday) for a family meeting. I told her I couldn't engage myself in such a sudden, last-minute plan and besides, I was going to have a really long day at work and would be returning home late. I told her it was unfortunate she were traveling out of town because I was set for both of us to have an intense intimate moment together this weekend. I told her that I could only meet with her either on Saturday (tomorrow) or Sunday and that we've spent enough time chit chatting in bars and restaurants and that I felt it was more than about time for us to spend time intimately behind closed doors.


She responded saying she'll make sure to return from her journey very early on Sunday so we can meet to do just that...
Cool Frank! Make sure you give her a really good pounding and update us. Hold nothing back behind closed doors with this one. I'll bet it pays off for you.
 

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I predict a no show on Sunday
 

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@Betheman: I think your prediction in this case is inaccurate because I've come to know this woman quite well right now. She had traveled last weekend as well and it was her who called me as soon as she got into town...very anxious for us to meet. And even if in this case she were to decide not to show up, who cares? I've passed that AFC stage. There's just too many women out there for me to be worrying about one of them who misbehaves.
 

Tell her a little about yourself, but not too much. Maintain some mystery. Give her something to think about and wonder about when she's at home.

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