The thing I don't get about alot of men

[RazorRambo24]

I think most men understand what kind of attitude/personality attracts women. SHt, most of us learned this early on through watching movies or seeing the world around us..

The part I don't get is, while hundreds of thousands of men are emulating that, what is so hard for some of you to emulate that throughout your life--when all the successful dudes with women have done exactly that.

Being "cool" and what "cool' is culturally is mostly objective.. Women like cool, tough, masculine, ripped, sociable/popular, stand out guys. I feel like alot of dudes, SS'ers included are missing just knowing what to act and be like.

When you know every girl wants a triangle, why be a square?

Perhaps alot of dudes just haven't had the environments/cultures/circumstances that represent any of that or help build that.. and in that case, why fight who you are? I've seen dudes change and develop a personality in their 30s.. You can too, but if you still don't know where to start, why not just accept wher you are and enjoy some good ol porn/escorts and stop caring so much about women?

I guess this kinda stuff is why dudes need a rolemodel or a life coach.

Growing up for us it was so simple.. we hung with the cool kids, we emulated all the cool people we saw in movies, we acted how the rappers did and the cool/tough/confident attitudes they had.. I mean some of the most square kids started gettin laid just by hanging with "cooler" people, smoking weed, selling drugs.. Ofc, teenage years are different than when you get older..

Alot of men are probably just depressed/beat up by life. or lacking testosterone.

I think some of us growing up just had more testosterone than the "not so ideal" kids. That just made us go for things we wnted more, resonate more with more alpha male rolemodel and alpha male cultures and lifestyles.. I mean sht, what did you guys grow up listening to? 40 yr old women singers? We grew up listening to hiphop that told us how to play b.itches, stack money and how not to take sht from anyone...

 

[mbc0029]

I get what you mean.

We're hardwired to be men (nature), but then we're socially conditioned to be women (nurture). A lot of men think they have to be nice, and identify with the woman, and effectively become feminine.

That social conditioning (gynocentrism, feminism) seems to override our biology. The Blue Pill is effectively being plugged in to a woman reality. We end up idealizing it.

Most men are either Blue Pill, or try to plug themselves back in once they're aware. We want to believe that women love like we do, we're equal, I need to man up and take care of the woman, etc.

Most men have trouble separating themselves from the feminine identity. It's so embedded in their ego, it's almost like death to let go.

I don't know if that exactly answers your question. Even if you can get women anytime you want to, for a lot of those men, they still want to believe in this blue pill fantasy.

It's an identity crisis almost. That's what I've noticed with myself, and some other people I've known.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

I usually agree with your posts, however, if I have to read another thread about how men today are not this or that I'm gonna lose my mind, this is a different world, there are literally cameras everywhere, if it's not a business camera that'll catch you in the area it's a street one or a ring camera, or your cellphone pinging off a tower, or a witness, most kids today don't have the mind to put their phone into air plane mode to stop the pings or keep their mouths shut to not bring attention to themselves.

Im not trying to be rude, but a lot of you older folk on this forum don't have a clue what you are talking about when it comes to how much the game has really changed today in terms of masculinity.

 

[savi0r]

You don't get why people copy cool guys or act like cool guys? Is that it?

 

[TheManMasenko]

I usually agree with your posts, however, if I have to read another thread about how men today are not this or that I'm gonna lose my mind, this is a different world, there are literally cameras everywhere, if it's not a business camera that'll catch you in the area it's a street one or a ring camera, or your cellphone pinging off a tower, or a witness, most kids today don't have the mind to put their phone into air plane mode to stop the pings or keep their mouths shut to not bring attention to themselves.

Im not trying to be rude, but a lot of you older folk on this forum don't have a clue what you are talking about when it comes to how much the game has really changed today in terms of masculinity.

What are you talking about?

Explain how dating has changed. 50% of this website is propaganda lol. If you had real World experience you could recognize that.

 

[Mike32ct]

I think of lot of guys still really want to be themselves. For example, if the guy is an introvert, he might have little desire to be the life of the party guy.

People tie their personality to their identity. If you tell a guy he needs to improve his look, most guys can accept that. But if you tell him that you think his personality is the issue, then that strikes him to his core because he interprets that as “WHO I am isn’t good enough for women.”

For that reason, it’s almost easier to looksmax than to personality-max (if there is such a thing).

 

[sangheilios]

I think of lot of guys still really want to be themselves. For example, if the guy is an introvert, he might have little desire to be the life of the party guy.

People tie their personality to their identity. It’s almost easier to looksmax than to personality-max (if there is such a thing) because the latter is really personal to them.

I think the biggest issue here is that you are going to be taking on a fake persona in order to try to fit in or get the social success you want, aka being a con man or phoney. I personally wouldn't be able to do something like this, I'd lose a lot of self respect and honestly don't think I could maintain the facade for any real length of time lol. I also think that unless you are incredibly socially skilled, most people are going to pick up on this and not like it. They might not be able to put their finger on it, but something will feel "off" to them, naturally.

@RazorRambo24 Does bring up some valid points though about maybe working on yourself a bit. This isn't the case for all men, but I believe a lot of guys would benefit by getting a bit more toughened up. In fact, I'd really say that men need a bit more confidence with themselves in various forms.

For instance, a guy that is really gifted with numbers and analytical intelligence has quite a high degree of confidence when it comes to academics or reaching accomplishments in a STEM related career. However, someone like this is perhaps very likely to lack in physical and social confidence. He may have a bit of a "nerdy" persona that allows him to be socially dominated by other men, especially if he is intimidated by some of them. It's also very likely that he'd not have much social confidence with women or even something as simple as making friends.

A way a guy could work on this would be to go to the gym or maybe get into BJJ or something like that. I'm not saying he should try to become some arrogant meathead or some MMA bully, but this could help him by a huge margin if he felt it was important enough.

I feel that most men for sure lack a physical/toughness edge, which is mostly to do with our more modern lifestyles. I believe this is an easy fix.

 

[BadBoy89]

You don't get why people copy cool guys or act like cool guys? Is that it?

I'm not clear on what the OP is saying either.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

What are you talking about?

Explain how dating has changed. 50% of this website is propaganda lol. If you had real World experience you could recognize that.

Explain how overt shows of masculinity and attention from women aren't linked, go ahead, I'll wait for you to debunk the evolutionary psychology of women, sounds like the only person here lacking real world experience is you. Overt masculinity brings on challenges from other men that can escalate into conflict, I thought most people would be intelligent enough to catch the implicating my post made, but I guess common sense isn't so common anymore.

Millions of years of conditioning is not rewritten in 50 years.

Also, propaganda, wtf r u talking about?

 

[mbc0029]

Masculinity.

Most guys think masculinity is wrong or toxic (most don't know any better). This is where validational sex comes from.

The thing that attracts the woman, is the thing that most people (men and women) hate on.

No wonder everyone is miserable.

 

[CornbreadFed]

The difference between a guy that struggles with women and a guy that doesn't is that toxic femineity lives rent free in the struggling guy's head. Instead of acting masculine and letting things naturally process and filter out, he imitates toxic females and lets their mindset poison his head. He only goes out to bars/clubs where toxic women congregate, he donates money to Fresh and Fit/Red Pill gurus that crap on strippers, he is obsessed with whatever woman boogeyman is around the corner, he plays games/tries to manipulate like a woman, he only dates toxic women, and etc. If you want a feminine woman that behaves, act masculine, if you want a toxic female that plays games & argues, continue imitating toxic females. Guys think going to the gym, religiously watching Red Pill content/Andrew Tate, and voting Republican makes them masculine despite them acting like a female bvtch at their inner core.

 

[Bokanovsky]

The difference between a guy that struggles with women and a guy that doesn't is that toxic femineity lives rent free in the struggling guy's head. Instead of acting masculine and letting things naturally process and filter out, he imitates toxic females and lets their mindset poison his head. He only goes out to bars/clubs where toxic women congregate, he donates money to Fresh and Fit/Red Pill

I'd like to meet anyone who actually donated money to Fresh & Fit. I have some business opportunities in Nigeria that I want to discuss with them.

 

[Bigpapa]

Explain how overt shows of masculinity and attention from women aren't linked, go ahead, I'll wait for you to debunk the evolutionary psychology of women, sounds like the only person here lacking real world experience is you. Overt masculinity brings on challenges from other men that can escalate into conflict, I thought most people would be intelligent enough to catch the implicating my post made, but I guess common sense isn't so common anymore.

Millions of years of conditioning is not rewritten in 50 years.

Also, propaganda, wtf r u talking about?

Women are not really attracted to masculinity

Because if they were attracted to masculinity then relationships based on masculinity \ femininity would last forever and women would not need to test your masculinity . But this is rarely the case

Believe it or not, initially women are drawn by lust ( being a guy that women are lustful after ) and then it is mainly about tormenting her while also banging the sh1t out of her

In the moment the relationship is based on status or gaining something from you… then it becomes truly transactional and she will “not feel it” after she gets what she wanted

This is a red pill bullsh1t ( especially in these days ) about a guy having to be a leader and the woman has to follow bla bla bla

Pimps are great examples of this, and they are not really that masculine. In the hierarchy of crime they have the lowest rank but yet they are the only ones who actually are successful with women from the underworld

If women were truly attracted by masculine men then hunters or soldiers would be their top choices. What is more masculine than killing another guy in combat or hunting your own food with your rifle ?

Another example is Pete Davidson, that guy is not masculine at all. But he f8cked a lot of bad b1tches. Because girls were lusting after him. This guys cries more than a woman

Pete Davidson Cried to His Mom After Breaking Up With Ariana Grande

The comedian also shared how the split taught him how 'ugly people can be.'

www.etonline.com

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

Women are not really attracted to masculinity

Because if they were attracted to masculinity then relationships based on masculinity \ femininity would last forever and women would not need to test your masculinity . But this is rarely the case

Believe it or not, initially women are drawn by lust ( being a guy that women are lustful after ) and then it is mainly about tormenting her while also banging the sh1t out of her

In the moment the relationship is based on status or gaining something from you… then it becomes truly transactional and she will “not feel it” after she gets what she wanted

This is a red pill bullsh1t ( especially in these days ) about a guy having to be a leader and the woman has to follow bla bla bla

Pimps are great examples of this, and they are not really that masculine. In the hierarchy of crime they have the lowest rank but yet they are the only ones who actually are successful with women from the underworld

If women were truly attracted by masculine men then hunters or soldiers would be their top choices. What is more masculine than killing another guy in combat or hunting your own food with your rifle ?

Another example is Pete Davidson, that guy is not masculine at all. But he f8cked a lot of bad b1tches. Because girls were lusting after him. This guys cries more than a woman

Pete Davidson Cried to His Mom After Breaking Up With Ariana Grande

The comedian also shared how the split taught him how 'ugly people can be.'

www.etonline.com

I see you have no understanding of evolutionary psychology nor a desire to educate yourself about it, you can't just make stuff up and expect people to take you seriously.

Can't waste my time on BS, you are added to the block list, enjoy the forum

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Can't waste my time on BS, you are added to the block list, enjoy the forum

Welcome to the BP Ignored club

 

[Bokanovsky]

Women are not really attracted to masculinity

Because if they were attracted to masculinity then relationships based on masculinity \ femininity would last forever and women would not need to test your masculinity . But this is rarely the case

Believe it or not, initially women are drawn by lust ( being a guy that women are lustful after ) and then it is mainly about tormenting her while also banging the sh1t out of her

In the moment the relationship is based on status or gaining something from you… then it becomes truly transactional and she will “not feel it” after she gets what she wanted

This is a red pill bullsh1t ( especially in these days ) about a guy having to be a leader and the woman has to follow bla bla bla

Pimps are great examples of this, and they are not really that masculine. In the hierarchy of crime they have the lowest rank but yet they are the only ones who actually are successful with women from the underworld

If women were truly attracted by masculine men then hunters or soldiers would be their top choices. What is more masculine than killing another guy in combat or hunting your own food with your rifle ?

Another example is Pete Davidson, that guy is not masculine at all. But he f8cked a lot of bad b1tches. Because girls were lusting after him. This guys cries more than a woman

Pete Davidson Cried to His Mom After Breaking Up With Ariana Grande

The comedian also shared how the split taught him how 'ugly people can be.'

www.etonline.com

I mostly agree with this. Women are not going to be attracted to a war hero...unless he gets social status/recognition as a result of being a hero. And in that case, it's his status that makes him attractive, not his masculinity. For women, social status trumps everything. Even looks and money. You don't have groupies lining up to fvck tech billionaires. But you do have groupies lining up to fvck rock/pop/rap stars (most of whom are not particularly masculine or good looking).

I will, however, say that many women get turned on by displays of violence and aggression (which is not necessarily the same thing as "masculinity"). It's one of the reasons why they stay with abusive husbands/boyfriends (and pimps).

 

[BadBoy89]

Believe it or not, initially women are drawn by lust ( being a guy that women are lustful after ) and then it is mainly about tormenting her while also banging the sh1t out of her

In the moment the relationship is based on status or gaining something from you… then it becomes truly transactional and she will “not feel it” after she gets what she wanted

I agree with this, but past the age of say, 23, the relationship will be transactional. She will have to "get" something out of it other than lustful sex. Why? Because she's on the clock. She has limited time to secure a man and his resources before her looks disappear.

It's funny, the word "transactional" is the most important word when it comes to romantic relationships. Women want it transactional, men don't.

 

[corrector]

I'm not clear on what the OP is saying either.

He is saying you that people use and sell drugs to get laid. Most useless thing I have ever read.

 

[RazorRambo24]

To sum it up for those who didn't understand the post: (alot of you guys, and this is exactly why I made this post.. because some of you still dont seem to get such a simple notion.)

Most people know girls want cool/suave dudes who know how to take care of themselves, are dominant and have an interesting/badass personality.. We learn this at an early age, we learn what kind of hairstyles to rock, to workout, this cool/stoic/tough attitude to have, how to tease women, etc.. becuase we paid attention to those things..

and then we emulated it..

Yet a buncha square dudes, aka prob 95% of the dudes who are b ad with women, simply dont know how to emulate what women like/are attracted to/etc. and its like Why? --and I kinda answered it myself-- by saying it probably has alot to do with the environment you were raised in, lack of rolemodels/alpha males around --or lacking testosterone, etc.

 

[CornbreadFed]

To sum it up for those who didn't understand the post: (alot of you guys, and this is exactly why I made this post.. because some of you still dont seem to get such a simple notion.)

Most people know girls want cool/suave dudes who know how to take care of themselves, are dominant and have an interesting/badass personality.. We learn this at an early age, we learn what kind of hairstyles to rock, to workout, this cool/stoic/tough attitude to have, how to tease women, etc.. becuase we paid attention to those things..

and then we emulated it..

Yet a buncha square dudes, aka prob 95% of the dudes who are b ad with women, simply dont know how to emulate what women like/are attracted to/etc. and its like Why? --and I kinda answered it myself-- by saying it probably has alot to do with the environment you were raised in, lack of rolemodels/alpha males around --or lacking testosterone, etc.

Because it is easier said than done and people want to do the stuff that seems easier to obtain. Guys that do well with women tend to have main character personalities and be exciting to hang around. Your inexperienced/ struggling guy with women is going to overlook this and look at the physical/outlier aspects of this guy. He is just going to see Jerk Behavior gets pvssy, nice guy behavior gets friend zoned. For example, a guy will see a bad boy with a hot girl and just imitate the @$$hole aspect and not take in the important parts. In contrary, the girl just tolerates the @$$hole behavior because he's not a typical beta NPC that puts her to sleep. You can be a nice guy, bad boy, jock, pretty boy, and etc at the end of the day but you are still going to need some flavor in your personality. There's plenty of NPC bad boys, pretty boys, nice guys, and etc struggling with women right now.