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just wanted to say that i totally agree with this post
The secret of a player...
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Hot Ice Casanova
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Lol use whatever method works best for you. I say TRY THEM ALL!
But so far MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN, that I get WAY better results from going "natural" and doing stuff like Juggler or Wachovia, rather than getting all nervous and using a crapload of ****y Funny or Mystery Method material.
I mean that stuff can have its place, but it's ONE TOOL in your seduction arsenal. A lot of seduction is more intuitive and experience based, and can't be easily translated into a cut and paste routine...
Indeed most of the ****y funny stuff on sites like ASF only pertains to specific situations and very stuck up girls, I've NEVER found myself in a situation with a girl where most of that sh!t actually works. It's funny that way.... when you're a rookie, you memorize all those silly lines and think they will work miracles - and when they DON'T you assume "well maybe I didn't have enough routines memorized" or "I need practice that routine harder in front of a mirror".
BULL.
You don't need billions of routines, you think all the great Don Juans and PUAs out there (and I don't claim to be one of them) use nothing but canned material? No, they actually use their BRAIN and have a decent vocabulary so they can make up new stuff on the fly. And integrate it with their kino. Hell I'm funnier when I DON'T try to memorize David DeAngelo's crazy ****y funny lines. In fact, as long as you know the basic PRINCIPLE behind ****y Funny, and you feel WHEN it's good to use it and WHEN it's NOT, your ****y-funny stuff will get a LOT better results.
Canned material (including most ****y funny routines) is simply a SAMPLE reverse engineered from a few of their more outrageous seductions. It will NOT work in every imaginable situation. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. A lot of times the tools you need are far SIMPLER. But the "gurus" won't tell you that because that doesn't help sell their product. Instead they will say you need to memorize NLP patterns or magik tricks or fancy number or cube gambits... They will tell you you don't need money to seduce women BUT they will claim you HAVE to buy their product to be a good seducer, which means you STILL have to spend MONEY!
That's why I like SoSuave Don Juan forums so much, this stuff is FREE and it's MUCH better than 90% of the crap that these pickup "gurus" dump into their HUGE FONT ebooks just so they can make a quick buck with a low word count! Probably the BEST seduction advice on earth is to be found in these forums (it's not ALL good advice but there's a LOT less crap than other seduction forum sites). There's none of that "you need NLP" or "you need to use this pattern" crap. Hell, even Mystery doesn't use his own patterns that much anymore, he prefers to go natural like Zan Perrion and Juggler. He's admitted this too.
Seriously it works better if you just go direct and DON't beat around the bush with nifty little tricks and gambits. Because if you do, you're STILL trying to impress her which is BLASPHEMY for a true Don Juan.
You gotta be the Prize, and the Prize isn't a Prize because of how many nifty lines and magic tricks he knows.... he's a Prize SIMPLY BECAUSE he BEHAVES like one. You can have be ugly, poor, etc. and STILL be a prize (it's not easy but it can be done). You just need an imagination and LOTS of attitude changes. If you act like the alpha male, people will start to treat you like the alpha male. SIMPLE AS THAT. Make it any harder and you will be fighting a losing battle from the beginning.
But so far MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN, that I get WAY better results from going "natural" and doing stuff like Juggler or Wachovia, rather than getting all nervous and using a crapload of ****y Funny or Mystery Method material.
I mean that stuff can have its place, but it's ONE TOOL in your seduction arsenal. A lot of seduction is more intuitive and experience based, and can't be easily translated into a cut and paste routine...
Indeed most of the ****y funny stuff on sites like ASF only pertains to specific situations and very stuck up girls, I've NEVER found myself in a situation with a girl where most of that sh!t actually works. It's funny that way.... when you're a rookie, you memorize all those silly lines and think they will work miracles - and when they DON'T you assume "well maybe I didn't have enough routines memorized" or "I need practice that routine harder in front of a mirror".
BULL.
You don't need billions of routines, you think all the great Don Juans and PUAs out there (and I don't claim to be one of them) use nothing but canned material? No, they actually use their BRAIN and have a decent vocabulary so they can make up new stuff on the fly. And integrate it with their kino. Hell I'm funnier when I DON'T try to memorize David DeAngelo's crazy ****y funny lines. In fact, as long as you know the basic PRINCIPLE behind ****y Funny, and you feel WHEN it's good to use it and WHEN it's NOT, your ****y-funny stuff will get a LOT better results.
Canned material (including most ****y funny routines) is simply a SAMPLE reverse engineered from a few of their more outrageous seductions. It will NOT work in every imaginable situation. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. A lot of times the tools you need are far SIMPLER. But the "gurus" won't tell you that because that doesn't help sell their product. Instead they will say you need to memorize NLP patterns or magik tricks or fancy number or cube gambits... They will tell you you don't need money to seduce women BUT they will claim you HAVE to buy their product to be a good seducer, which means you STILL have to spend MONEY!
That's why I like SoSuave Don Juan forums so much, this stuff is FREE and it's MUCH better than 90% of the crap that these pickup "gurus" dump into their HUGE FONT ebooks just so they can make a quick buck with a low word count! Probably the BEST seduction advice on earth is to be found in these forums (it's not ALL good advice but there's a LOT less crap than other seduction forum sites). There's none of that "you need NLP" or "you need to use this pattern" crap. Hell, even Mystery doesn't use his own patterns that much anymore, he prefers to go natural like Zan Perrion and Juggler. He's admitted this too.
Seriously it works better if you just go direct and DON't beat around the bush with nifty little tricks and gambits. Because if you do, you're STILL trying to impress her which is BLASPHEMY for a true Don Juan.
You gotta be the Prize, and the Prize isn't a Prize because of how many nifty lines and magic tricks he knows.... he's a Prize SIMPLY BECAUSE he BEHAVES like one. You can have be ugly, poor, etc. and STILL be a prize (it's not easy but it can be done). You just need an imagination and LOTS of attitude changes. If you act like the alpha male, people will start to treat you like the alpha male. SIMPLE AS THAT. Make it any harder and you will be fighting a losing battle from the beginning.
Hot Ice Casanova
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You need to specify what sort of "friend" you mean, Wolf.
Ever notice that chicks have some "loser friends" who never get laid and are only platonic friends. Ok well those are the ones that showed NO sexuality at all!
But they also have "cool friends" that demonstrate an alpha personality and these become their fvck buddies and sometimes they boyfriends.
(Actually I'd like to be fvck buddies WAY better than a boyfriend, it's a LOT less drama for both me and her)....
So, Wolf, you have to think very specifically - WAY too many PUAs pretend that all "friendships" are the same.
NO they're NOT. If you are the ALPHA wolf, then you will even sex a few friends.
Now I don't think it's right to try to mesh TOO much with her social circle, because then you might seem desperate. But definitely get to know her friends, their personality, etc. PS, if you approve her friends (but not all of them, be picky!) it's like she's qualifying herself to you, this is GOOD, but don't judge her friends too quickly. Remember, she considers them a part of herself, so treat that as a case of qualifying her!
You DON'T have to bring her completely into your world, but at least let her meet a few of your friends and talk casually a little about the ones she hasn't met (make sure they're GOOD friends without any weird or odd habits - you don't want to end up saying bad things about your friends, ESPECIALLY if they're true!)
Long story short, play it cool. Don't avoid her like every weirdo Mystery Method follower, you CAN call her often but keep it short and sweet, don't be desperate. And remember, ALWAYS GAUGE THE GIRL. Don't over-analyze ANYTHING she does, but:
*If she likes to call and chat a LOT and she asks you to call her later that same day/night, then DO IT, she WANTS to talk to you and it's another opportunity to build rapport.
*If she's really shy and doesn't like to talk a lot, make the convos short and sweet, but try to find out a few things about her likes (don't get caught up in her dislikes).
IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE CHICK HERSELF, NOT on the time or the number of days after you got her number. Sure you shouldn't change fore a woman, but you DO need to be aware of her and understanding of her personality and temperament, because THAT is what will show you how to proceed! Each chick takes a slightly different approach, but a Natural or a Don Juan (read the DJ Bible if you're unsure of what being a Don Juan really means) can nearly ALWAYS score with all these types of girls. He just needs to use his direct DJ skills with different levels of intensity and mystery.
*Remember SOME chicks like to talk a lot and ARE still interested in you. They may be really interested in you as a Don Juan who is natural and not fake. I know girls who will want to talk to me like CRAZY because I'm the first emotionally STABLE, non-needy guy they've met! This is an opportunity, chat up these chicks whenever you feel like it (and especially if they ASK) - these are not "hard to get" chicks and they do NOT want to play games, they want you to be smooth and a lot of times women over 25 are like this, some younger MILFs are like this too, they LIKE you to be an old-school MAN who takes what he wants and doesn't beat around the bush or spit out routines and canned lines like some poser "pickup artist". You should leave them wanting more, but don't push your unavailability too far, remember they don't have much patience for games and may think you're stuck up and lose patience if you try to ignore them for 3 days or whatever Mystery suggests. Chatting up these chicks frequently will NOT land you in the friends zone. They are sexual, they know what they want, BUT they also like to take it gradual sometimes and they want MORE than a D!CK, they also want a suave and slightly mysterious REAL guy with some BRAINS, a silver tongue, and EXPERIENCE - a NATURAL guy who's worth getting to know and discover (romantically/sexually speaking). I call these chicks the VENUSES. They're pretty damn rare these days if they're hot, so if you find yourself talking to one, be smooth and direct, know when to leave her wanting more and when to turn up the heat, and DO HER RIGHT. You will not regret it!
*Some other chicks just like to chat a lot with anyone and are NOT so interested in you. These are gossip girls (a.k.a. TIME WASTERS) - with them don't go to far over 30 minutes or you LOSE value. With these chicks you need to be direct! Even if they are not direct, you should STILL move fast with them, otherwise they will WASTE your time and block any attempt by you to build sexual tension or escalate sexually. These chicks need a wake up call to see that you're NOT just another platonic friend. You will NOT lay them by playing hard to get or waiting a week to call. They have so much going on in their life, they'll already get banged by five other guys by the time you decide it's "time" to call back, and by then she will forget all about you. You need to ask them out within the first two phone calls, preferably in the first one! More than any other girls, THERE are the ones who most badly need to realize that YOUR TIME IS PRECIOUS because you are the PRIZE. I call these chicks "PARIS HILTONS".
*Then there are the shy chicks who NEED you to be "friendly" first for a while but still CONFIDENT. They WANT a "shoulder to cry on", but they do NOT want a weak guy who always puts his life on hold to listen to all their problems. There's a BIG difference. The former can still invite her to do fun stuff (and thus she associates good feelings with him) and the LATTER only listens to her problems passively like a therapist with no BALLS (thus she only associates NEGATIVE feelings with him). With these chicks you should still be direct (otherwise they may think you are a "friend" of the wussy platonic therapist variety) BUT you need to slow down your escalation a bit, get to know her more, and go on a couple of dates before you try to lay her. BUT NEVER FORGET that in those first dates you STILL have to gradually escalate kino, tease her playfully, and keep the early touches very non-sexual. She WILL sense what you want and will be curious, she just doesn't want to rush it as fast as with other girls. She wants to feel like you're not just taking advantage of her weak ego to boost yours. These girls are especially attracted to "naturals" and Don Juans but are rather turned off by hot-tempered "pickup artists". They like playful teasing in palatable doses but are turned off by hyper-aggressive players or "hard to get" mind games. They're big on respect and modesty at first BUT they have a repressed burning desire to be bad girls. They want direct honesty but can't handle TOO MUCH of its heat at once. I call them "PANDORAS" (i.e. you have to open Pandora's box very carefully with respect or you're SCREWED big time!)
*Finally there are some chicks who simply want to waste your time to get an ego boost. These need almost no explanation. After a few dates you can tell they're just leading you on and don't really want to have sex. They MIGHT prefer a really aggressive, abusive a$sholes because that's the only kind of guy that will stay with them and ACTUALLY get laid with them. These chicks DON'T value smooth suave naturals or Don Juans. They're more the type that will ballbust and sh!t test the hell out of you even if they're not that hot, but they think they're the shyt! They LOOK damn near impregnable but they secretly want to be ABUSED and may even be into **** (though they usually don't show it). YOU DON'T EVEN WANT these chicks, UNLESS you're super risky and are okay with the prospect that you COULD END UP IN JAIL if you misread even one of her hints or signs. I call these chicks the JEZEBELS (i.e. the brides of the Devil) because they have no loyalty except to the most cruel of men.
These are NOT all the types of chicks you will encounter, but about 80% of women will fall into ONE or more of these categories.
Okay so basically with all of these types of chicks you need to talk to them like the "suave friend" who already gets laid a lot and doesn't need to brag about it (but isn't all prudy and virgin either). That way you have a bit of time to actually figure out what sort of girl they are and HOW MUCH HEAT they can handle (and if you still want them anyway!)
This will NEVER get you friend-zoned because you are confident, funny, self-assured, and NOT needy or gay. You DO show sexual interest, but it's NOT a desperate interest like the AFCs do. Your interest should be like this: "hey she's a cool chick, she's beautiful, but beauty is everywhere, I'm interested so far but NOT SOLD, I want to see if she's REAL and has some pizazz to her personality (or sensuality, or adventure, or WHATEVER you want, but please want SOMETHING besides just t&a). Even if you don't get a girlfriend this way, you WILL AT THE VERY LEAST get a good female friend who's open to spicing things up a bit (NOT a flaky "lets just be friends" friend who in reality never wants to see you again) - but a real friend who will introduce you to her friends and MAYBE even put in a good word for you. And she will be WAY more likely to be your fvck buddy than if you act like a nervous, try-hard asexual platonic CHUMP. Being in the friend zone isn't in ANY WAY the same as being a fun friend or a potential fvck buddy, it's just a sugar-coated REJECTION when she doesn't want to hurt a childish CHUMP's feelings!
Basically it all boils down to making her feel both intrigued AND comfortable around you (hence the "friendly" part which Wachovia exaggerates a bit), this actually works better than being a jerk IF you do it right with some flair! And THEN escalating, making out, and sex will NOT be a struggle with tons of retroactive sh!t tests and LMR like it is for the typical Mystery-Style Pickup artist. (hope u got that pun lol).
Hope this all helps.
~HotIce
Ever notice that chicks have some "loser friends" who never get laid and are only platonic friends. Ok well those are the ones that showed NO sexuality at all!
But they also have "cool friends" that demonstrate an alpha personality and these become their fvck buddies and sometimes they boyfriends.
(Actually I'd like to be fvck buddies WAY better than a boyfriend, it's a LOT less drama for both me and her)....
So, Wolf, you have to think very specifically - WAY too many PUAs pretend that all "friendships" are the same.
NO they're NOT. If you are the ALPHA wolf, then you will even sex a few friends.
Now I don't think it's right to try to mesh TOO much with her social circle, because then you might seem desperate. But definitely get to know her friends, their personality, etc. PS, if you approve her friends (but not all of them, be picky!) it's like she's qualifying herself to you, this is GOOD, but don't judge her friends too quickly. Remember, she considers them a part of herself, so treat that as a case of qualifying her!
You DON'T have to bring her completely into your world, but at least let her meet a few of your friends and talk casually a little about the ones she hasn't met (make sure they're GOOD friends without any weird or odd habits - you don't want to end up saying bad things about your friends, ESPECIALLY if they're true!)
Long story short, play it cool. Don't avoid her like every weirdo Mystery Method follower, you CAN call her often but keep it short and sweet, don't be desperate. And remember, ALWAYS GAUGE THE GIRL. Don't over-analyze ANYTHING she does, but:
*If she likes to call and chat a LOT and she asks you to call her later that same day/night, then DO IT, she WANTS to talk to you and it's another opportunity to build rapport.
*If she's really shy and doesn't like to talk a lot, make the convos short and sweet, but try to find out a few things about her likes (don't get caught up in her dislikes).
IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE CHICK HERSELF, NOT on the time or the number of days after you got her number. Sure you shouldn't change fore a woman, but you DO need to be aware of her and understanding of her personality and temperament, because THAT is what will show you how to proceed! Each chick takes a slightly different approach, but a Natural or a Don Juan (read the DJ Bible if you're unsure of what being a Don Juan really means) can nearly ALWAYS score with all these types of girls. He just needs to use his direct DJ skills with different levels of intensity and mystery.
*Remember SOME chicks like to talk a lot and ARE still interested in you. They may be really interested in you as a Don Juan who is natural and not fake. I know girls who will want to talk to me like CRAZY because I'm the first emotionally STABLE, non-needy guy they've met! This is an opportunity, chat up these chicks whenever you feel like it (and especially if they ASK) - these are not "hard to get" chicks and they do NOT want to play games, they want you to be smooth and a lot of times women over 25 are like this, some younger MILFs are like this too, they LIKE you to be an old-school MAN who takes what he wants and doesn't beat around the bush or spit out routines and canned lines like some poser "pickup artist". You should leave them wanting more, but don't push your unavailability too far, remember they don't have much patience for games and may think you're stuck up and lose patience if you try to ignore them for 3 days or whatever Mystery suggests. Chatting up these chicks frequently will NOT land you in the friends zone. They are sexual, they know what they want, BUT they also like to take it gradual sometimes and they want MORE than a D!CK, they also want a suave and slightly mysterious REAL guy with some BRAINS, a silver tongue, and EXPERIENCE - a NATURAL guy who's worth getting to know and discover (romantically/sexually speaking). I call these chicks the VENUSES. They're pretty damn rare these days if they're hot, so if you find yourself talking to one, be smooth and direct, know when to leave her wanting more and when to turn up the heat, and DO HER RIGHT. You will not regret it!
*Some other chicks just like to chat a lot with anyone and are NOT so interested in you. These are gossip girls (a.k.a. TIME WASTERS) - with them don't go to far over 30 minutes or you LOSE value. With these chicks you need to be direct! Even if they are not direct, you should STILL move fast with them, otherwise they will WASTE your time and block any attempt by you to build sexual tension or escalate sexually. These chicks need a wake up call to see that you're NOT just another platonic friend. You will NOT lay them by playing hard to get or waiting a week to call. They have so much going on in their life, they'll already get banged by five other guys by the time you decide it's "time" to call back, and by then she will forget all about you. You need to ask them out within the first two phone calls, preferably in the first one! More than any other girls, THERE are the ones who most badly need to realize that YOUR TIME IS PRECIOUS because you are the PRIZE. I call these chicks "PARIS HILTONS".
*Then there are the shy chicks who NEED you to be "friendly" first for a while but still CONFIDENT. They WANT a "shoulder to cry on", but they do NOT want a weak guy who always puts his life on hold to listen to all their problems. There's a BIG difference. The former can still invite her to do fun stuff (and thus she associates good feelings with him) and the LATTER only listens to her problems passively like a therapist with no BALLS (thus she only associates NEGATIVE feelings with him). With these chicks you should still be direct (otherwise they may think you are a "friend" of the wussy platonic therapist variety) BUT you need to slow down your escalation a bit, get to know her more, and go on a couple of dates before you try to lay her. BUT NEVER FORGET that in those first dates you STILL have to gradually escalate kino, tease her playfully, and keep the early touches very non-sexual. She WILL sense what you want and will be curious, she just doesn't want to rush it as fast as with other girls. She wants to feel like you're not just taking advantage of her weak ego to boost yours. These girls are especially attracted to "naturals" and Don Juans but are rather turned off by hot-tempered "pickup artists". They like playful teasing in palatable doses but are turned off by hyper-aggressive players or "hard to get" mind games. They're big on respect and modesty at first BUT they have a repressed burning desire to be bad girls. They want direct honesty but can't handle TOO MUCH of its heat at once. I call them "PANDORAS" (i.e. you have to open Pandora's box very carefully with respect or you're SCREWED big time!)
*Finally there are some chicks who simply want to waste your time to get an ego boost. These need almost no explanation. After a few dates you can tell they're just leading you on and don't really want to have sex. They MIGHT prefer a really aggressive, abusive a$sholes because that's the only kind of guy that will stay with them and ACTUALLY get laid with them. These chicks DON'T value smooth suave naturals or Don Juans. They're more the type that will ballbust and sh!t test the hell out of you even if they're not that hot, but they think they're the shyt! They LOOK damn near impregnable but they secretly want to be ABUSED and may even be into **** (though they usually don't show it). YOU DON'T EVEN WANT these chicks, UNLESS you're super risky and are okay with the prospect that you COULD END UP IN JAIL if you misread even one of her hints or signs. I call these chicks the JEZEBELS (i.e. the brides of the Devil) because they have no loyalty except to the most cruel of men.
These are NOT all the types of chicks you will encounter, but about 80% of women will fall into ONE or more of these categories.
Okay so basically with all of these types of chicks you need to talk to them like the "suave friend" who already gets laid a lot and doesn't need to brag about it (but isn't all prudy and virgin either). That way you have a bit of time to actually figure out what sort of girl they are and HOW MUCH HEAT they can handle (and if you still want them anyway!)
This will NEVER get you friend-zoned because you are confident, funny, self-assured, and NOT needy or gay. You DO show sexual interest, but it's NOT a desperate interest like the AFCs do. Your interest should be like this: "hey she's a cool chick, she's beautiful, but beauty is everywhere, I'm interested so far but NOT SOLD, I want to see if she's REAL and has some pizazz to her personality (or sensuality, or adventure, or WHATEVER you want, but please want SOMETHING besides just t&a). Even if you don't get a girlfriend this way, you WILL AT THE VERY LEAST get a good female friend who's open to spicing things up a bit (NOT a flaky "lets just be friends" friend who in reality never wants to see you again) - but a real friend who will introduce you to her friends and MAYBE even put in a good word for you. And she will be WAY more likely to be your fvck buddy than if you act like a nervous, try-hard asexual platonic CHUMP. Being in the friend zone isn't in ANY WAY the same as being a fun friend or a potential fvck buddy, it's just a sugar-coated REJECTION when she doesn't want to hurt a childish CHUMP's feelings!
Basically it all boils down to making her feel both intrigued AND comfortable around you (hence the "friendly" part which Wachovia exaggerates a bit), this actually works better than being a jerk IF you do it right with some flair! And THEN escalating, making out, and sex will NOT be a struggle with tons of retroactive sh!t tests and LMR like it is for the typical Mystery-Style Pickup artist. (hope u got that pun lol).
Hope this all helps.
~HotIce
Peace and Quiet
If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.
Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.
This will quickly drive all women away from you.
And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.
I like the tone of your post. Women will be more comfortable dating a guy that they see over and over again. Not only that, but girls will also date guys who are into the same things they are into. Do you want a club girl? Then you better become a club guy. Do you want a musician girl? You better know music, or else she probably won't have time for you in her life.
Know thyself, know your own interests and where you fit into the world, and finding a girl who complements you will be much much easier.
Great post man.
Know thyself, know your own interests and where you fit into the world, and finding a girl who complements you will be much much easier.
Great post man.
thedude4242
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Wachovia, I really agree with what you are saying. I believe the PUA's methods are like they are coming off desperate or needy. PUA's have said get the woman's phone number within a certain amount of time the first time you meet her. In my opinion I think this is really being pushy and coming off as some form of desperation. So, you see a hot woman, you go and approach her and use your routine and close by getting the number? you just met her 10 minutes ago and she does not know nothing about you at all. you may get lucky and get a couple her and there with that, but I think this is method is a joke. I see all them PUA's and there fallowers using that stuff. Me personally I think they are a joke and woman can tell for the most part if you are using that stuff. you dont think they watch mystery? PUA's are a joke, fraud and only weak minded guys would use this stuff. I would love to expose they guys and their mickey mouse methods. dont be desperate or use the same methods a lot of people use.
HEY MY NAME IS.....
CAN I BUY YOU A DRINK......
IM HAVING FUN, GIVE ME YOUR NUMBER AND WE CAN CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION LATER.
I love PUA's because they are giving me more opportunities with woman and make my interactions with woman better.
HEY MY NAME IS.....
CAN I BUY YOU A DRINK......
IM HAVING FUN, GIVE ME YOUR NUMBER AND WE CAN CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION LATER.
I love PUA's because they are giving me more opportunities with woman and make my interactions with woman better.
And another ressurection of a banned member, obviously. Kind of funny how the ONLY people who agree with the OP are noobs. There is a reason the OP got BANNED over this.
If by chance any of you newbies agreeing with this are actually real, beware of this poisonous advice. If you truly believe it, then there is no reason to be here.
Mods, please lock this thread!!!
PS, why do people keep talking about mystery? he is so five years ago. Even so, his stuff will still work if delivered correctly anyway, no matter how lame his openers sound. It does work,cuz I used to do it. Never like his canned openers though, but that doesnt mean it doesnt work. Thats just ONE pickup method anyway, and this last poster is bagging on everyone because of mystery. Learn what the hell you're talking about, before opening your mouth.
If by chance any of you newbies agreeing with this are actually real, beware of this poisonous advice. If you truly believe it, then there is no reason to be here.
Mods, please lock this thread!!!
PS, why do people keep talking about mystery? he is so five years ago. Even so, his stuff will still work if delivered correctly anyway, no matter how lame his openers sound. It does work,cuz I used to do it. Never like his canned openers though, but that doesnt mean it doesnt work. Thats just ONE pickup method anyway, and this last poster is bagging on everyone because of mystery. Learn what the hell you're talking about, before opening your mouth.
COD said:C & F has its value........its been proven time and time again. It also has its downside......takes time to master, few know how to calibrate for each individual female, does nothing to build rappart & trust, etc
Bootcamps are cool as you get to socialize with other people wanting to perfect their game.
NOT EVERYONE IS BORN A NATURAL..............so thats why "GAME" was created to give us a weapon.
NOT EVERY METHOD IS UNIVERSAL EFFECTIVE-some guys do well online, others durring the day, some excell in clubs, etc, etc.
I say if a dude gets the digits, gets a number, kiss closes, etc........then he is golden NO MATTER which method he utilized.
We all gotta start somewhere and progression is a learning tool..........which each new skill set we begin to gain appreciation for various methods.
I used to laugh at the hip hop thug life culture........til I saw hot women that literally would do anything to get with these types.
Theres is soooooooooo much details to learn, its a way of life.........INSTEAD OF DISSING other methods that deviate from your own, you may want to try to understand them, and even see if anything useful you can extract.
PLAYERS AND SOCIAL ARTISTS differ greatly..............
STICKY POINT-whatever you aspire to be........make it your own and strive to be the best...........player, mack daddy, pimp, hustler, pu artist, social artist, natural, etc.
COD, you summed it up perfectly... absolutely hit the nail on the head.
if there is one thing that we know about humans in general, its that we are all DIFFERENT. what works for one does not necessarily work for another. this is why i get so mad whenever i read wachovias posts. this random guy thinks he can walk into the forums and sh*t on the values it is built on just because he doesnt think those values would work for him.
now, dont get me wrong. im not saying that what wachovia is saying about social circles wont work. i agree with him there, because social circle hooking up absolutely does prove to be effective. but that is only one part to the huge, multi dimensioned DJ way of life. i say, experience it all and you decide for yourself which works best for you. more likely than not, it will be a combination of a few 'theories', but theres nothing wrong with that. its all a part of being a unique individual.
There's a certain level of respect that adult people command. Many of today's "adults" are still lost youths, with No discipline to Work Hard.
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Exactly wachovia seems uterly clueless of the game as it applies to men. What he/she basically said was be the "COOL guy", be the guy everyone likes and you'll get sex. It's no revelation that women travel in herds and packs and select the most popular guy in the pack. But the suggestion to pick up out of a social circle is explaining a fait comple or whatever the term is. If you have the attraction qualities to succceed in a cut throat social group you will do as well or better with the cold approach. If you are the attrtactive guy that can succeed in the social circle, you can just cut out all that BS and just cold approach, attract, then fvck the girls youwant. I'm having a hard time believing wachovia isn't a female and therefore her advice on how to pick up chicks is worthless.
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There's some vicious, no-good ottawa asian escort muther fvckers out there, who would become jealous/envious ottawa escort and tear ottawa asian escorts you down without your even knowing it. And this means, spreading lies about you. And lies are believed like wildfire, and what can you do to defend yourself? Nothing. You just, move on.
Exactly wachovia seems uterly clueless of the game as it applies to men. What he/she basically said was be the "COOL guy", be the guy everyone likes and you'll get sex. It's no revelation that women travel in herds and packs and select the most popular guy in the pack. But the suggestion to pick up out of a social circle is explaining a fait comple or whatever the term is. If you have the attraction qualities to succceed in a cut throat social group you will do as well or better with the cold approach. If you are the attrtactive guy that can succeed in the social circle, you can just cut out all that BS and just cold approach, attract, then fvck the girls youwant. I'm having a hard time believing wachovia isn't a female and therefore her advice on how to pick up chicks is worthless.
Don't always be the one putting yourself out for her. Don't always be the one putting all the effort and work into the relationship. Let her, and expect her, to treat you as well as you treat her, and to improve the quality of your life.
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