The Ri$e of Players and the Decline of Providers

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Wow...Haven't posted on here in a LONG time. I'm sure this place has changed a lot. New members and such. You guys should def read this article. I've posted it before (long time ago). But after reading a few posts on here this def needs a repost.

"The Rise of Players and the Decline of Providers

Why is it that "bad boys" are generally much more sexually successful
than "nice guys" are? Intelligent, hard-working men who contribute to
society in formerly respectable careers like engineering, accounting or
science are now looked down upon by women. Athletes, rockers, rappers
and actors don't work to improve society, yet many women desire sex with
them. There is no longer a connection between a man's contribution to
society, his options with women and his social status. Further, a man's
ability and willingness to provide for a wife and children has little
impact on his ability to attract women. This was not always the case.


How Women Choose Men

Women's attraction has shifted from dependable, nice provider men to
exciting, unpredictable "bad boys." In order to understand this
phenonmenon, one must understand how women choose men and how the
process of mate selection evolved.

Millions of years ago, when our primate ancestors lived in small bands,
the males who were the strongest, most aggressive fighters dominated the
group.
Because of the differential in male and female parental
investment (Discussed in There is No Longer Someone for Everyone),
competition among males was a winner-take-all affair. The winners, the
alpha males, were able to monopolize sexual access to the females and
have many offspring. The beta males were rarely able to have sex and
rarely able to pass on their genes. Females thus developed an
instinctual attraction to the physically strong "alpha" males because
alpha male offspring were consistently more successful in the
reproductive game. These instincts evolved over millions of years and
still exist in today's women even though the attributes that made a
winning fighter in primitive Africa are counterproductive to success in
modern society. (For more information on sex and evolutionary
psychology, see Matt Ridley's The Red Queen, Jared Diamond's Why is Sex
Fun? and Robert Wright's The Moral Animal.)

Fighting is no longer a part of daily life, yet today's women still have
an instinctual attraction to strong, muscular men. Aggressive,
unpredictable men are exciting and attractive to today's women,
even
though in the information age, the ability to cooperate and work with
others in an quiet office environment is more useful to one's career
success. Women are also attracted to indicators of high testosterone,
like square jaws and broad shoulders. Evolution instilled these
instinctual desires over millions of years, while civilization has
existed for only a tiny fraction of evolutionary time. At an unconscious
level, today's women are still deeply attracted to alpha male
characteristics.

For men, sexual attraction has also been irrationally shaped by
evolution. In primitive times, one of the most common threats to a man's
offspring was infant mortality during childbirth. Because of this, men
developed an instinctual attraction to women with wide, child-bearing
hips. In modern society, infant mortality is rare, but men still have a
vestigial attraction to women with the ideal waist-hip ratio. Men also
have an attraction to women with large breasts since infant
malnourishment was a problem in distant evolutionary times. In the
developed countries of today, few infants starve, and many women don't
breastfeed at all. The male obession with physical attributes is an
evolutionary relic. However, because attractive prehistoric females did
not have the same destructive behavior as our male ancestors, men do not
have the same irrational attraction to physicality and aggression that
women do.


The Development of the Provider

So, if women are attracted to physically dominant alpha male types, then
how could geeky-looking, physically weak men ever evolve? The
development of the "provider" type came about because of the development
of intelligence within our human ancestry. As the predecessors of homo
sapiens evolved greater intelligence, human babies were born less
mature, and the time required to raise a human child required
increasingly more time and resources. In most animal species, babies are
born nearly self-sufficient. Within a few months, most other animal
species can live independently of their parents. In contrast, a human
baby is completely dependent for food and defense for at least five
years after birth, and requires education and resources for many years
after that.

As human babies took longer to raise, females found that they alone
could not provide the resources necessary to support their children into
adulthood. They needed help, and they found ways to get help. Beta males
who were not physically strong enough to dominate the other males found
that by providing food and other resources to females in the group, they
could bargain for sex from those females.

Interestingly, the same high testosterone that provided alpha males with
greater physical strength and natural aggressiveness worked against them
as providers. Studies have shown that men with high testosterone have
lower intelligence and less ability to concentrate on mental tasks.
High-testosterone men are less likely to hold white-collar jobs, more
likely to hold jobs that require manual labor, and are more likely to
commit crime. (See Heroes, Rogues and Lovers: Testosterone and
Behavior.) Thus a spectrum of men emerged. Strong, aggressive,
dominating men existed on one side of the spectrum and intelligent,
nice, cooperative men existed on the other.

Eventually as civilization developed and intelligence and financial
success became more important than physical strength, females who chose
males with "provider" characteristics produced more successful offspring
than those who chose alpha males. Over time, there was a reduction in
the proportion of high-testosterone males. Social and religious customs
like the monogamous marriage system further increased the proportion of
providers. Women looking for lifelong commitment and wanting to avoid a
lifetime of unhappy marriage put a higher priority on companions with
agreeable personalities and financial resources and a lower priority on
looks and alpha maleness. In the last forty years, however, that trend
has been reversed. (Note: Men making a lifelong commitment under the
monogamous system were also more likely to value a woman's companionship
and personality than men who are pursuing short-term sex, where physical
appearance is of primary importance.)


The Pill, the Provider and the Alpha Male

In recent years, the nice provider personality has become decidedly
unpopular, while the aggressive alpha male personality types are
celebrated and envied. Professional athletes, rock bands, and hip hop
musicians have eclipsed doctors, lawyers and engineers in social status.
"Players" who take advantage of the weaknesses in women's sexual
instincts
are celebrated while faithful providers are not.

Over the last forty years, birth control has removed the practical
reasons for a woman to choose a provider male (See The Pill and the
Decline of Dating and Marriage). Women unafraid of pregnancy can have
sex with the sexiest men and fulfill their instinctual desires without
apparent consequence. They can "follow their hearts," even when the
emotions they perceive as love or passion are irrational vestiges from
the evolutionary past. Providers are also devalued because financially
self-sufficient women no longer need a man to provide resources for them.

Because women no longer put a high value on providers, the social
position of those men has fallen while the player/alpha male personality
type has begun to dominate society and culture. As women encourage more
"bad boy" behavior by their sexual choices, men and society are becoming
less considerate, less cooperative and less civilized."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENwpDa7hluU
 

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I agree with some, disagree with some as well.

Aggression and an alpha personality are required to be a provider, if you really want to provide something more than mediocrity. Jack Welch, the legendary CEO of General Electric, said it best: "Tough guys finish first." And yes, women may go for unemployed guys in leather jackets--but they'll also go for someone in an Armani suit driving a Murcielago. Extreme example, but I'm making a point.
 

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Evzone said:
I agree with some, disagree with some as well.

Aggression and an alpha personality are required to be a provider, if you really want to provide something more than mediocrity. Jack Welch, the legendary CEO of General Electric, said it best: "Tough guys finish first." And yes, women may go for unemployed guys in leather jackets--but they'll also go for someone in an Armani suit driving a Murcielago. Extreme example, but I'm making a point.
That's a good point. The nice "stable" beta male may not be that stable since he lacks the will to fight for whatever he needs to survive, not to mention provide.

And this:
High-testosterone men are less likely to hold white-collar jobs, more
likely to hold jobs that require manual labor, and are more likely to
commit crime.
Apparently they've never heard of Steve Balmer.
 

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And that's why you have a guy who is 29 and has 21 kids and has all the betas in an outrage. Pure loser badboy who doesn't give a fvck.
 

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Evzone said:
I agree with some, disagree with some as well.

Aggression and an alpha personality are required to be a provider, if you really want to provide something more than mediocrity. Jack Welch, the legendary CEO of General Electric, said it best: "Tough guys finish first." And yes, women may go for unemployed guys in leather jackets--but they'll also go for someone in an Armani suit driving a Murcielago. Extreme example, but I'm making a point.

Truth here. A DJ can apply his skills to more than just women. I don't know how to say this without sounding like a mind bending fortune cookie, but I think the most successful people cannot be labeled (or at least labeled easily). Don't just be a bad boy or provider.
 

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trajhenkhet02 has made an extremely good point. To be successful in this game you need to be uncategorizeable. Say you are in a group where every woman was blue and you yourself were blue. Then a new woman comes along and she is say, red. That difference makes her attractive because we are designed to breed to create new mixes.
 

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I agree with what some are saying about these definitions. They're too black and white.

There's more than one way to skin a cat, as long as you get the job done.
 

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trajhenkhet02 said:
Truth here. A DJ can apply his skills to more than just women. I don't know how to say this without sounding like a mind bending fortune cookie, but I think the most successful people cannot be labeled (or at least labeled easily). Don't just be a bad boy or provider.
You know its funny, supposedly I'm charming to women but I have little direct skills from practicing on them. All the stuff I learned I picked up in school, in the gym, chilling with my friends, driving my car, cleaning the garage...

Doesn't make much sense but all the little insignificant lessons you learn along the way, when added up, make a huge difference in all areas of your life.
 

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I've got a completely different take on all of this.

Notice the two categories:


The No longer attractive/exciting-
Accountant
IT Professional
Businessman
etc.

The now sexy and exciting-
rappers
rock stars
actors
athletes
celebs in general


The first group is a practical money making group that keeps society moving and solves larger problems.

The second are all in ENTERTAINMENT.

This gives you an insight in to how women react emotionally to things. Science hasn't looked at this much yet. Women are influenced and moved by the CROWD. Women desire that which is popular because it gives them a sense of their own self-confidence or self worth.

Thats right, women are actually told WHAT to think is important and whats not.

100 years ago these results would have been different.

They desire things like money and fame, looks and status because it's what they desire among their female counterparts.

Not what they biologically desire...thats key.

Thats why the first group still gets women, gets married. Thats why losers still have 21 kids, etc.

Women have a biological attraction component to them. WHich goes beyond even muscles. We're talking deep biological built in wiring that can sense a skinny or heavy guy is hot even if society wouldn't tag him that way. They have an appreciation and attraction for provision without popularity. It depends on the woman and her frame of reference in life.

The entertainment world is literally only skin or money deep to women.

The study is looking at the wrong things. It's not looking at character value in men and how women respond. (this is that forward active personality the 'bad boys' always have)

In other words it's not telling us what women REALLY SEXUALLY desire. It's telling us what women think they desire based on media perceptions.

Then the article goes into an evolutionary explanation which in no way correlates with actors and artists. Many of them are historically not well adept or 'strong'. (remember, they're pampered and mostly were the 'dorks' in school.)

The article is really two different things. I don't understand how the first categories even remotely correlate to the evolutionary argument later.
 

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If you were rich and famous, you get the most women.

If you were a rich businessman who nobody really knew, you get less women than what's above.

If you were a doctor/ accountant/ technician, you get less women than this.

Those in entertainment will attract a lot of women cuz of their fame! Money talks too!
 

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Warrior74 said:
And that's why you have a guy who is 29 and has 21 kids and has all the betas in an outrage. Pure loser badboy who doesn't give a fvck.
lol true and then you have the computer programmers making 60k + a year that fill up PUA workshops cause they can't get a woman if their life depended on it!

I agree with the OP howerver it has to be said that this applies TO WESTERN WOMEN. The same can't be said for most women from traditional/third to second world countries.

It is just american and western women in general that are fu**** up in the head.
 

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A woman I know told me the reason for this is that they are scared their lives are going to get boring. They WANT the drama, and the ups and down, the uncertainty that comes from people in the more 'exciting' professions in life. Most women despite what they might SAY despise predictabily and stability.

I would have to disagree that actors, rappers etc don't work to improve society. They provide entertainment, that is their purpose. Is it really so unreasonable for a woman to ask that her partner is someone who she enjoys spending time with and finds to be fun?

Would you really want to spend your time with a woman who you find uniteresting and uninspiring? You want someone that you have chemistry with, that makes you tingle with excitement and makes you feel alive! Who says because you're a provider type you HAVE to be boring?

I know doctors, architects, IT people who live it up like rockstars! Its not a set frame you HAVE to adhere to- you don't wake up one day and say "Oh, I'm in IT, I have to be boring then." !!
 

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Thats right, women are actually told WHAT to think is important and whats not.
when i was young i had to have pokemon cards & yo-yos.

it's like that with boys & girls but it continues with woman and some men passed their teenage years.
 
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RandallLambert said:
A woman I know told me the reason for this is that they are scared their lives are going to get boring. They WANT the drama, and the ups and down, the uncertainty that comes from people in the more 'exciting' professions in life. Most women despite what they might SAY despise predictabily and stability.

I would have to disagree that actors, rappers etc don't work to improve society. They provide entertainment, that is their purpose. Is it really so unreasonable for a woman to ask that her partner is someone who she enjoys spending time with and finds to be fun?

Would you really want to spend your time with a woman who you find uniteresting and uninspiring? You want someone that you have chemistry with, that makes you tingle with excitement and makes you feel alive! Who says because you're a provider type you HAVE to be boring?

I know doctors, architects, IT people who live it up like rockstars! Its not a set frame you HAVE to adhere to- you don't wake up one day and say "Oh, I'm in IT, I have to be boring then." !!
I love the way you think! I say live life the way you want to live it... you canot generalize occupations...
 

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In most cases a celebrity will intertwine with other success driven careers such as businessmen. I personally consider myself a Successful businessman and a rock star so looks like i'll be getting the best of both world. Sexy business interns, secretary, other celebritys and other hot women.
 
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