The real secret to getting women

[Sandow]

There is nothing new here at all... The OP is using passive emotional deductive reasoning to simplify the frustrated existence of many men and to discredit their frustrated responses...

The reality is that for some complex reasons women now have more power than ever before , a phenomenon that is affecting many men in a very negative way... OK, so they tell men to try harder do more give more be stronger dont worry about women dont allow lonliness to rule you etc. etc.

BUT DOES THAT HELP???

Nothing is wrong with positive self motivation and such but failure to realistically asses a situation can lead to more frustration...

Womens' power and confidence comes from "OPTIONS" - Yes options they have many many male options who they dont have to chase.. In fact they have so many options that they have no reason to place any great value on you in particular...
So now they feel secure enough to exibit genuine indifference which causes her to treat you with less respect and basic concern than she should and that is what is causing many men to feel angry!

OK so some have suggested that men stop paying attention to women as much so that eventually the women will wonder why and start acting better. That is absurd! The male population is so huge and desperate that for every dude who pays her less attention there will be 30 others crawling at her feet offering her enough gifts that she need not worry about the 1 who isnt. (30 birds in the had are worth way more than 1 in the bush.)

Many women become drunk with power and never face any consequences for treating men like SHTI!!! And since women are now the main driving force between most purchasing decisions the society as a whole bends to their whims...

THE ONLY WAY THIS SITUATION WILL IMPROVE AT ALL FOR MEN IS IF TEH MALE POPULATION IS REDUCED BY 30% So that women would really have less options..

Or if there weren't so many damn AFC's running around in this world!

 

[DonGorgon]

Or if there weren't so many damn AFC's running around in this world!

The AFC (Average, Frustrated, Chump) is a physical representation of the subjugation of males by modern socioeconomics, capitalism and feminist opportunistics....

Most MLIWs (Modern Liberal Independent Women), with their "OPTIONS" fueled power, see 90% of the male population as AFCs (Average, Frustrated, Chumps)

 

[Snowman23]

^ guys who talk like that don't get puzzy.

 

[Clash113]

The real secret is being your own man. Just do what you feel like *as long as law permits* and take chances and you'll succeed. You'll accumulate experience with time. That's it in a nut shell.

 

[sprint]

WOW I think I've had enough...

No more asking for advice from you people!

BTW I learn more watching movies, and reading tips now and then, as opposed to describing a situation to people on these forums and then doing what they say.

The thing is - all girls are different.

I recently posted about a girl that you all told me to next. Well guess what, I still talk to her on AIM and I'm still trying to add her to the roster.

dude... talking on AIM is not dating. I don't know what girl you're talking about but you don't have to take the advice that is given to you.

OP:
I don't know he just sounds like he doesn't believe or accept what people on sosuave say. No one here says not to be nice to girls. I haven't heard anyone say that confidence is not paying or whatever. It sounds like you don't like guys like David DeAngelo. I don't know, man, but it's much more about self-respect. If you want to shower girls with gifts then go ahead. I get the impression that the OP is still just an AFC.

 

[RokyRoc]

Four years??!!?

Four years and not a pipe?!?!?

That's beyond STALKER-ish!!!

Intuitive though but Creepy

 

[DonJuan11]

Your advice is decent, but its easier said than done. You are talking to guys who have been unsuccessful with women their whole lives and are frustrated, angry, annoyed at the whole process. Then their mentality boils down to 3 pts:

1) It's too difficult to get a life. A life costs money, time, effort, studying, reading, going back to school, making friends, working out, improving myself, stepping on toes. My ego can't handle all that. Much easier to stay at home where its safe and secure.

2) I have a life, but the girls aren't coming and sleeping with me, so I will stop having a life improving myself. I will instead feel sorry for myself and complain.

3) I have a life, but the girls that are coming to me are not good looking enough and I'm not going to settle for anyone. I've been rejected too many times and now that I've worked so hard, I want a 10 and won't settle for anything else.

 

[orly]

To become a DJ you need to develop a DJ mindset and that is a positive mindset.

I agree with this, but I find it harder to put it into practice. I start the day determined to be positive but I usually fail by midafternoon. I'm just too bombarded by triggers of negative emotions. I can't avoid them, so I have to deal with them. I can deal with a some or even many, but when there's an army, I'm overwhelmed.

Your advice is decent, but its easier said than done. You are talking to guys who have been unsuccessful with women their whole lives and are frustrated, angry, annoyed at the whole process. Then their mentality boils down to 3 pts:

1) It's too difficult to get a life. A life costs money, time, effort, studying, reading, going back to school, making friends, working out, improving myself, stepping on toes. My ego can't handle all that. Much easier to stay at home where its safe and secure.

2) I have a life, but the girls aren't coming and sleeping with me, so I will stop having a life improving myself. I will instead feel sorry for myself and complain.

3) I have a life, but the girls that are coming to me are not good looking enough and I'm not going to settle for anyone. I've been rejected too many times and now that I've worked so hard, I want a 10 and won't settle for anything else.

I'll add a 4th. I'm just pushing on. I'm doing everything I can to improve myself even when I'm seeing absolutely no results as far as women are concerned. I am seeing results elsewhere, such as physically or financially, but as far as women are concerned, I'm being pushed further down a spiral of negative reinforcement.

 

[DarkShade]

I have to play the Devil's Advocate here, I've read one too many posts on 'confidence'.

If confidence occurred in a vacuum, anyone could attain it at any time. I love how it's described as an On/Off switch, as if it was really that easy. Things that come easy are called commonalities and norms. Folks make confidence sound like the magic pill you find, take and then we all get laid like Ron Jeremy with a penis made of extacy. I've walked around plenty of times with high amounts of confidence and ****iness only to realize it's not some airborne aphrodisiac that girls just attune themselves to and follow around like estranged puppies. And there's plenty of times I've gotten laid by being a nervous wreck and a total n00b. Correlation != causation.

I'm a psychological wreck when it comes to women, some might say I'm misogynistic. Life experiences shape the human mind, the most profound and powerful ones are the ones you experience firsthand, and when they are almost always negative, you do the intelligent thing and STAY AWAY from negative aspects of the world. You hit yourself in the head, it hurts, so you stop.

I love the paradox a lot of people employ when it comes to women. The wise would say "Learn from your experiences", and then there's those who advocate, "Hey man, go out and do it again!" Who honestly enjoys butting their head against a brick sh!thouse only to be told to "go try again."? So the one time you headbutt it, it ends up not hurting? Probably because you've broken a vertebrae in your neck and you can't feel anything at all.

Yeah I'm bitter :crazy:

 

[TizZle]

IMO, this website is here to be used as a tool. Even if you read every "good" post on this site you are still going to make mistakes. BUT as the great Pook once stated, "foresight teaches gently; error teaches brutally." This site is a tool to help people. Just read the "good" posts not the "negative, bs, bad, etc.." ones. They aren't too hard to find.

 

[betterthandead]

that's nice, we should all listen to someone who just created an alternate message board account just to tell everyone that they're are better than all of us.

you are a loser.

 

[orly]

I love how it's described as an On/Off switch

It is.

However, once you switch it 'on', you need outside stimuli to keep it going or else it will shut itself back off automatically. When most of the outside stimuli in your life as far as women go is negative, it turns off by itself pretty fast.

 

[reachinside]

Good post.

Short version: Put yourself first.

I think I'll try that today.

 

[DonGorgon]

Good post.

Short version: Put yourself first.

I think I'll try that today.

Most people these days are putting themselves first but being alone is the problem

 

[DonGorgon]

^ guys who talk like that don't get puzzy.

lol....that sounded pretty cool.. Too bad it was BS...:yes:

 

[DarkShade]

It is.

However, once you switch it 'on', you need outside stimuli to keep it going or else it will shut itself back off automatically. When most of the outside stimuli in your life as far as women go is negative, it turns off by itself pretty fast.

So what happens when there's no or negative outside stimuli, all the time? Is confidence then impossible or at least very difficult to obtain and maintain? Confidence isn't even really a stepping stone if not everyone can get it.

With my experiences I find it more of an indication that luck and chance plays a much bigger role in attracting women. If a girl has the hots for you before she really even knows much about you, it's difficult to believe that it was a combination of massive confidence, sculpted body and bright future when she barely knows your name. Being in the right place at the right time.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Confidence comes from acknowledging ones own options, and or the proven ability to generate more.


Translation of the OP: I'm comfortable in my nice warm Matrix, and you should be too, so just be yourself and women will want you for who you are.

AFCs are like crabs in a barrel; as soon as one is about to climb out, ten more drag him back in.

 

[Snowman23]

lol....that sounded pretty cool.. Too bad it was BS...:yes:

You're bad with women, stop talking.

Thanks.

 

[DonGorgon]

You're bad with women, stop talking.

Thanks.

LOL... So this is the part were i am supposed to try to convince you that i am great with women???? Unfortunately the importance of your opinion is minimal, such that I will in fact leave you to wallow in your ignorance.

My main problem is that i am tired of hos only worth F'ing...lol can you point me to the "good" women...

 

[orly]

So what happens when there's no or negative outside stimuli, all the time? Is confidence then impossible or at least very difficult to obtain and maintain? Confidence isn't even really a stepping stone if not everyone can get it.

Yes. Which is the situation I find myself in. I have no positive stimuli coming from my interactions with women beyond the friend level, all of it has been positive. So I can start off truly thinking "I AM THE MAN!" but pretty soon that high completely wears off.