The problem is there are too many men.

[Good Gao]

I won't pull up the statistics right now but if you look at the prime ages in the US for hookup culture (18 all the way to maybe early 30s), you'll realize the issue. Men outnumber women immensely in almost every major city and this creates stiff competition that heavily rigs the game in the favor of women. All this stuff you see with ugly women being white knighted and everything, it is happening because there is not enough of a supply of hot women and there are way too many men to go around, way too many!

Even if a society is close to 50% men, it is a problem!

The reason you see so much hostility, anger and such a rigged dating game that favors a less attractive woman over a more attractive man is because there are way too many men.

"Bu-bu-bu-but muh self-improvement and muh game, this doesn't affect me brah!"

No, in fact, this specifically affects the guys out there who are running game and trying to improve themselves.

Women who would normally be receptive are usually having their b*tch shields high to even the best game because they have been creeped on and harassed by losers all night.

Dating apps fall heavily in the favor of women as men outnumber them immensely and these women have to go through so many profiles which makes them extra picky.

Even a 6 now feels entitled to a guy who is a 10 which makes the game tough for even above average guys.

You have to deal with ten times the c0ckblocks and simps trying to ruin you now because women are in such short supply.

The entire game is rigged against you BECAUSE of all the losers out there harassing these women, feeding their egos and rigging the game strongly in their favor.

It doesn't matter if you have "game" or if you are "interesting", unless you have out of the world value such as extremely good looks or a high status lifestyle, you're fighting for scraps because of this very situation.

 

[The Duke]

You make some good points, but you aren't going to get anywhere wishing the game was easier. A guy has to figure out how to get better if you aren't happy with the results. You also have to accept the nature of women.

I'm definitely no better than an 8 in any category that matters to women. But I suspect my average score is higher than most men. I almost always get 2nd dates.

I don't have a problem attracting nor keeping girls hooked.

 

[Serenity]

The entire game is rigged against you BECAUSE of all the losers out there harassing these women, feeding their egos and rigging the game strongly in their favor.

Sure, women try to avoid creeps and I see nothing wrong with that.

It doesn't matter if you have "game" or if you are "interesting", unless you have out of the world value such as extremely good looks or a high status lifestyle, you're fighting for scraps because of this very situation.

I intensely disagree. If "game" isn't pulling them you're not running the correct game. The game in a climate such as the one you describe is to NOT be the type of guy they try to avoid. Being witty is not enough, the game is to persuade them in various ways that you're not a fvcking idiot. If you're struggling then you obviously aren't easily perceived as a cool dude, according to your thread here I'd say they aren't too far off in that assumption.

 

[Alvafe]

serious don't know where there is more men then woman, I remember pretty well school and high school most students was females, only time I was in a place with the majorly was male was when I started college and during my 2 years course I did on high school time, teh vourse was eletronics and college major was computer science, but in college if I looked around administration was 90% female, sociology was also ful of females, even around here now its pretty even, course the number of really cute woman are too dim, so you what you are stating is the number of girl you are interested on dating.

if you ask me the real problem is boys who spend his time tossing atencion to several females, hoping to score with one you see that a lot social media is pretty much for this, woman whoring herselfs for likes, and boys giving it like it was nothing.

but I need to ask you what you can possible hope to achieve complaining? or you go out and do something or you will not change anything, complaining not only is a female trait, it won't help you

 

[Murk]

Plenty of women around

 

[MatureDJ]

I think part of the reason that the stats are like this is because most Latin American immigrants - legal or illegal - are men, and these men are not considered in the dating pool by American white women that aren't trash. A few years ago, there was a demographics thing going on that really skewed the statistics, but with the onslaught of the Millennials, this has been muted.

Hypergamy is the culprit now. Like True Forced Loneliness legend "Roller" Steve Hoca says, women go into "dating limbo", in which they just don't appear in the dating market. Of course, at some point, these women realize that they can't stay in limbo if they want kids, which is why you see a lot of late 30s women bellyaching about there not being enough men.

 

[flowtheory]

You’re already your own worst enemy and have set up so many obstacles in your own path

 

[Spaz]

Ridiculous.

You should be able to sell Nike shoes to Africans, ice cream to Eskimos and Sand castle's to the Arabs - that's a man's mindset.

Don't convince yourself by using statistics to back up your wuss-si-ness.

 

[mellow_yellow]

I find parallels between what we're seeing with women and the current job market. It's stupid to throw your resume (approaching) hoping to play the numbers game. I think it's extremely inefficient and retarded honestly. Developing yourself as a man to qualify yourself to a woman is difficult so is getting a job that you want. I don't get how the members here dish out worn-out advice like "work harder" and "be a man" when we're living in a different world.

To succeed today, I believe it takes both the right focus AND hard work. Yes, many men aren't putting in the hard work, but hard work isn't enough because you'll give up unless you make some progress. We're in a beautiful conundrum that will only get more beautiful, in which I actually mean ugly. This is not the early 2000s. We are living in the modern day era of social media. We haven't adapted fast enough for this ridiculousness. Working out and improving yourself is a long-term goal not a short-term one. Do a lot of people forget this? It takes a lot of time and dedication to accomplish this. Telling others to simply "man up and do better" is not enough to counteract what we're seeing. Of course, we need to take action, but we need to be more strategic about it now. It's not the same at all.

 

[ohrein]

Self defeatist, absolutist nonsense. I know plenty of average guys with great women. If guys are over-inflating women's self worth, then game will make you stand out more. And in fact, that's been my experience. It's way easier to get women's attention by making them qualify themselves to me rather than vice versa. I'm a very average guy and I've had plenty of hot women show interest in me just by being normal and unimpressed with their looks. What you're saying really only applies to something like club game where looks are the only thing that matters.

 

[MrWood]

Finland, Ukraine and Russia all have higher ratios of women vs men

'yall live on the wrong continent

 

[corrector]

I have been into online dating in 2006, which is about 12 years ago, and I can say that what the OP is writing isn't anything new at all. The 20/80 rule has always been there. He's making it sound as though this is something that has just happened yesterday and then blaming social media. It's unlikely anything at all has changed in the past decade.

 

[malz1]

I have been into online dating in 2006, which is about 12 years ago, and I can say that what the OP is writing isn't anything new at all. The 20/80 rule has always been there. He's making it sound as though this is something that has just happened yesterday and then blaming social media. It's unlikely anything at all has changed in the past decade.

I agree. If we're going by the pre 21st century model where "there's a gal for every male" including betas then he may have had some concerning merit. But his problem likely comes from not being in the top ~20%. And the good guys migrating here shouldnt have been so impactful with their lower numbers.

 

[EyeBRollin]

What the **** are you talking about? There are more women in Western societies. Men are more likely to die earlier or be incarcerated. Stop making excuses for you lack of game.

 

[MrWood]

There are more women in Western societies. Men are more likely to die earlier or be incarcerated. Stop making excuses for you lack of game.

Stop smoking crack
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/10-countries-where-women-far-outnumber-men.html

 

[EyeBRollin]

Stop smoking crack
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/10-countries-where-women-far-outnumber-men.html

............I believe this proves my point.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Nothing a good war wouldn't sort out.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

I find parallels between what we're seeing with women and the current job market. It's stupid to throw your resume (approaching) hoping to play the numbers game. I think it's extremely inefficient and retarded honestly. Developing yourself as a man to qualify yourself to a woman is difficult so is getting a job that you want. I don't get how the members here dish out worn-out advice like "work harder" and "be a man" when we're living in a different world.

To succeed today, I believe it takes both the right focus AND hard work. Yes, many men aren't putting in the hard work, but hard work isn't enough because you'll give up unless you make some progress. We're in a beautiful conundrum that will only get more beautiful, in which I actually mean ugly. This is not the early 2000s. We are living in the modern day era of social media. We haven't adapted fast enough for this ridiculousness. Working out and improving yourself is a long-term goal not a short-term one. Do a lot of people forget this? It takes a lot of time and dedication to accomplish this. Telling others to simply "man up and do better" is not enough to counteract what we're seeing. Of course, we need to take action, but we need to be more strategic about it now. It's not the same at all.

The best strategy today, for those that lack the shiny plastic wrapping, is to desensitize yourself to women a la monk mode. Substance mutually recognizes each other... until then MGTOW!

 

[Macaframalama]

hard work isn't enough because you'll give up unless you make some progress.

Sorry bud, but this isn't hard work.

 

[TripleN]

Thanks fk for LGBT and gay men, not only do they leave more girls, they also take men with them lmao.