The Principles Behind the Tactics

Dapper Swindler

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I think a lot of newbie confusion occurs because people often try to emulate the tactics they hear without understanding the principle behind them. This is especially confusing because some tactics contradict in certain circumstances. You shouldn't show any interest in her. No, don't be rude. No don't show you're attracted to her. No don't show you're not attracted.

All the advice given here, what to wear, the body language, the behavior, are just tactics to express one idea. That one idea is probably obvious to you, but I don't think it has being clearly identified because I see a lot of people misinterpreting when to apply tactics. The point to all these tactics is this...

You are trying to project that you have a HIGH VALUE

There. Simple right? That's what it all boils down to. All the methods and tactics essentially are trying to accomplish this same goal. You are trying to make a woman think that you have a high value as a human being and this is what makes her attracted to you. They greater value they think you have, the more you will succeed with women. And you must make her think that your value is AT LEAST higher than hers to succeed.

Let's look at some examples:

Peacocking: The message that peacocking sends out is this "I have such confidence in my high value, that I don't care if I look weird. I don't need to fit in and look normal because my value is so much higher than that."

Don't buy her a drink: The message is "I have such high value that I don't need you and I don't need to lower myself to earn your interest. I have plenty of other opportunities."

Loud confident voice: "I'm not ashamed of what I have to say, I believe it to be of high value because I am of high value."

Now we all know that you shouldn't stand in the rain outside a girl's apartment with flowers hoping that she'll see how nice you are and decide to like you. We understand why this is a bad idea. But with this idea of projecting a high value it becomes super clear.

Giving a girl flowers: The message is "I lack value. I am simply not good enough. In order to compensate for my lack of value, I am giving you these flowers. If I had a high enough value I wouldn't need to give you these flowers. Take care of them because if they die then you just have me and I am not enough." The best part is that unlike the other examples which demonstrate value through behavior, this also includes a PHYSICAL object, the flowers, to show you lack value. You might as well wear a sign that says, "I lack value".

So when you are wondering if a certain behavior is a good idea or a bad idea, ask yourself this question, "Does it project that I have a high value?" If you can say yes than it is a good idea. Maybe if everyone did that it would cut down on the number of threads in Discussion.

Go ahead and list more tactics and I will explain how it sends out a message that you have a high value.
 

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great advice.

also, now I actually want to out and make a shirt that says "I Lack Value."
 

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people who believe in the crap thats coming out of your mouth right now are the reason I come home angry.

I love to shut downs big mouths and show offs. Most of the time they just hone in on one thing, and totally suck at it because they're not natural at it and have to go through the steps every time.

I HAVE A LOUD VOICE LISTEN TO MY INANE CHATTER!!!

LOOK AT ME I'M WEARING PINK AND I'M NOT GAY!! LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME, I'M DISTRACTING YOU FROM THE GUY WHO HIDES TO SHOW HE DOESN'T NEED YOUR ATTENTION, SO LOOK AT ME!!!

I HAVE SUCH A HIGH SOCIAL VALUE, I DON'T HAVE TO BUY YOU A DRINK!! THERE ARE PLENTY OF OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR ME IN THE SEA!! I DON'T NEED TO LOWER MYSELF TO EARN YOUR INTEREST!!!

yep, keep saying that to yourself, and the women will flock to you!!
 

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I diss people for the subtle yet clear message that I am of higher value than they are.
 

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Originally posted by Boner da Stoner
people who believe in the crap thats coming out of your mouth right now are the reason I come home angry.

I love to shut downs big mouths and show offs. Most of the time they just hone in on one thing, and totally suck at it because they're not natural at it and have to go through the steps every time.

I HAVE A LOUD VOICE LISTEN TO MY INANE CHATTER!!!

LOOK AT ME I'M WEARING PINK AND I'M NOT GAY!! LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME, I'M DISTRACTING YOU FROM THE GUY WHO HIDES TO SHOW HE DOESN'T NEED YOUR ATTENTION, SO LOOK AT ME!!!

I HAVE SUCH A HIGH SOCIAL VALUE, I DON'T HAVE TO BUY YOU A DRINK!! THERE ARE PLENTY OF OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR ME IN THE SEA!! I DON'T NEED TO LOWER MYSELF TO EARN YOUR INTEREST!!!

yep, keep saying that to yourself, and the women will flock to you!!
Unlike other PU methods, the DJ method is not so much about tricking people into thinking you have high value, but to actually ATTAIN a high value.

So I don't understand whether you are disagreeing with this post because you think it is an incorrect evaluation of pick up methods or because it is a bad idea.
 

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Yeah, go to ASF and look up TylerDurden's post called "One game: Higher Value." I don't know if you've read it, but he says basically the same things you do. Just keep in mind that giving flowers and doing other typically "AFC" things can work if you already have high value and it's apparent to her. IOW, a rockstar or world champion boxer giving his girl flowers wouldn't make him look weak.

Cool, decisive, self-confident guy whose comfortable with himself gives flowers and gets a good response. "Aww, he is showing a softer side. He is sweet."

Weak, indecisive, insecure guy gives flowers and girl thinks "Eww, he is trying to win me over with gifts. What a beta."

EVERYTHING in life and in the game depends on CONTEXT and the frame, or the underlying meaning of an interaction.

Cool guy's flower-giving frame, is "I'm a cool guy and I like to GIVE joy to other people and elevate their value up to mine."
Context: Mutual value elevation.

AFC's flower-giving frame is, "I'm a chump, and I'm afraid of you, but movies and my mom told me that giving you flowers would make you like me."
Context: Manipulation.
 

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I love going over old threads. This one definitely deserves a bump:up:

http://www.thegamesjournal.com/articles/Ethics4.shtml

Yeesh, I think Tyler Durden is stealing ideas http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/game-theory/
http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:...ame"+"higher+value"+tyler&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=12

Duke, If your still around... thanks for the new thoughts. Going to do a few searches on your name and see if I can bring up any good info. The insight into AFC insecurity and techniques used is amazing. A little lacking in terms of volume though, I want more:D

This concept relates to four factors.

"I am the PRIZE"
"awareness radius" theory
"99.99% of us are in need of validation" excluded the "for women" part of the thread name for the sake of my own internal game.
"A DJ doesn't need techniques or crutches"

I still have the strong belief in "fake it till you make it" Even though it can be destructive and manipulative. I know many AFC's personally who have such a strong inner game that they will NEVER fake a feeling even though it is in their best interest. Techniques are a crutch until game is better(Shezz, your one shot girl's fighting routine is a lie). Everybody needs validation, but anybody can lie and pretend and take on goals in life to mask other forms of invalidation. EVERYBODY ignores a person if they are uninterested, but AR theory applied with a goal in mind(Jariel), is a sign of weakness, and a man with weak game will fail applying the AR theory(Bvidd). Fake the prize mentality... well it's a good mindset, but any real challenge and you will fail horribly.

PS I am boner da stoner... I have no clue what has changed in my internal game back than, but damn do I miss it. I was trying to point out the value of being loud and obnoxious(D!ck behaviour) over being sedate and having a good AR radius(anybody who enters will be amazed, anybody outside will see a loner). LOL, I was also drunk when I made over 50% of those posts, maybe that's why I can't hear myself thinking:p
 
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