The Power of Self, The Weakness of Identity

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Who are you? take a break from anything you may be doing (which at this moment is reading this post) and name some unique things that you associate with yourself.


Done. What could you come up with? Was it hard or easy? Did you say anything negative about yourself? Okay. Forget everything you know about yourself for just a few minutes. Please realize that you have been molded, you've been programmed to change, to learn, you've been taught how to act, the overall goal of society is to make everyone aspire to perfection. You're not perfect and never will be. You're not good at everything, while at some things you are excellent. We hide behind our identities everyday, we hide behind this person that WE THINK that we are. This person hasn't learned by himself how to live, he is told how to live and what to do. You need to focus on yourSELF, the person that you really are, the one who you know lives deep inside. Your self is free of the manacles of identity.

Some people have been mistaking themselves for their identity all along, but let me help you find the differences. Identity is believing something instantly and trying to make that a part of you. Say someone says something about another person before you've even met them, "Oh man! Don't ask her out! I hear that she is really *****y and needy!". While the statement may or may not have been true, the fact is that your identity would pick that up and make that part of itself (in other words from then on, that girl would always seem kind of *****y to you). Your SELF is strong when you make the calls, when you pass the judgements. You may walk right up to that girl and find out 'Hey! she's not that bad! she's actually kind of nice!' and ask her out. My point here is, you shouldn't believe what you haven't taken a look at yourself.

Identity is easy to hurt because it is the part of you that you show the world. If someone says that you're a little overweight, have a big nose, or look ugly, your identity is the first to take offense: "Yes! You're so right! I am ugly and horrible! I have no right to live!" Furthermore, if someone compliments you (You have very nice eyes, you're very smart, I love you way you smile), your identity is the first to be affected: "Yes! Thank you so much for accepting me! I am forever grateful! Thank you!" NO. No, no, no no NO! B*tchslap those feelings! These are DEPENDENT feelings, your IDENTITY IS DEPENDENT, while your SELF on the other hand is INDEPENDENT. If someone offends you or compliments you, realize that those are their feelings, those judgements are based on how they were brought up and the various environments they encountered. You cannot and will not change a judgement someone has made on you, only they can do that.

Not everyone thinks the same, and as I've said in another post, NO ONE KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU EXCEPT FOR YOU! Who is anyone to tell you what you're bad at? The only way that you're bad at something is when YOU, your SELF, accepts that you are bad at something. NEVER ACCEPT THAT YOU ARE BAD AT ANYTHING! Say that you are trying your hardest (to yourself) and as long as you try your hardest, you are doing well. Only you can tell yourself who you really are, don't let others try to tell you. Your IDENTITY will accept everything they say as true, your SELF anylizes it all and comes up with what YOU BELIEVE. Your identity compares you to others, while yourself compares you to no one, for you are who you are, and that cannot and will not be changed unless you want it to be. Don't you see? THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED! GET RID OF YOUR IDENTITY!

Don't depend on others to make you feel good. You need to become self-dependent. You need to be happy for being you. To know who you are, you need to be able to separate what is your Identity and what is your SELF. Sometimes you will barely be able to see the difference, othertimes you'll be glad you could. To wrap up, you are what you believe, because BELIEVING IS THE GREATEST POWER ANY OF US HAVE. I firmly believe in self-fulfilling prophecies, because doubting yourself is the biggest put-down you can ever throw your own way! Doubting yourself says that you aren't good enough, or smart enough, or strong enough, or _______ enough. You need confidence in yourself, not your identity. Make your own choices, for it is the people who believe in themselves and in their decisions that really become successful.
 

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i wonder why no one has responded yet to this good post.

it's great to be able to become your TRUE self...

and i think its something that a lot of us constantly look for.

we are all actors in this world.

i respect anyone who has the balls to take their masks off.
 

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I like this post
 

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A post like this makes the DJ board one of the most productive places on the web.

I agree with you fully.
 

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You have made a very eloquent statement here about the eternal conflict between the ego and the true self.

I have also been thinking greatly about this topic recently, however I don't seem to be able to get the words out on this one, it's a bloody complicated quasi-freudian thing.

Many religions, faiths and practises (buddhism for example) teach humility as a way to escape from the limiting factor that is EGO, someone said that true ego loss either brings enlightment or mental torment / schziophrenia.
 

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You are not your job, or how much money you have in the bank...

Excellent post! Realizing that the your self is different from your identity/ego is a big step in the struggle to change your life. This helped me greatly in building confidence; I saw that who I had thought I was had just been a facade, a mask, clothing that covered my real self, something that I could discard or change as I saw fit. Before finding this site, I was very shy; I thought that this was part of my self, a trait I was born with and had to accept. I held often held myself back from doing anything new because I told myself I don't do that. Self limitation is part of your ego, though, not your true self.

If you want to be free,
Get to know your real self.
It has no form, no appearance,
No root, no basis, no abode,
But is lively and buoyant.
It responds with versatile facility,
But its function cannot be located.
Therefore when you look for it,
You become further from it;
When you seek it,
You turn away from it all the more.
- Linji
People often don't understand the distinction between ego and self. They are trapped in their own minds; they experience a myriad of possibilities every moment, but can only see those that their ego accepts. They can't do something out of character because "that's not who I am." They can't change, so they are unhappy. This is why it is said that losing the ego brings enlightenment; in the words of Tyler Durden, "It's not until you've lost everything that you're free to do anything."
 

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Guys, you should pick up The Power of Now by, um, this dude, I forget his name. I am reading it now and it teaches you some strategies on how to eliminate the ego and stop letting your thoughts control you. It's a really great book.
 

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Originally posted by Ziro

Don't depend on others to make you feel good. You need to become self-dependent. You need to be happy for being you. To know who you are, you need to be able to separate what is your Identity and what is your SELF. successful. [/B]
When we find out WHO WE REALLY ARE there is goign to be some negative things we won't like because nobody is perfect.
And you are saying i should be happy for being this?
Be proud of my flaws?

Others make us how we are... theres not question about that
You are contrasting identity and self...
Identity is dependent on society. True.
Self is independent. False
The self is a mirror of how we affect people and how people reacto to it.
Without people we wouldnt be able to tell how we were, there would be no self nor identity.

The only difference I can think of is that identity is what identity is the how you behave and self is how you want to behave.
 

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Re: Re: The Power of Self, The Weakness of Identity

Originally posted by HappyHobo
"When we find out WHO WE REALLY ARE there is goign to be some negative things we won't like because nobody is perfect.
And you are saying i should be happy for being this?
Be proud of my flaws?"

-1. It's easy to change flaws that you have into strengths. Do you think that weightlifters are always born strong? Do you suppose an athlete would be great at what they do if they did not train? You can train yourself to be better in all areas. I'm not saying you should be happy for being imperfect, I am saying that you should deal with it because you'll never be perfect, that's it.

"Others make us how we are... theres not question about that"

-2. I'm glad you think this way. I'm not saying that you NEED to agree with me. I do however disagree with you.

"You are contrasting identity and self...
Identity is dependent on society. True."

-3. Yep

"Self is independent. False"

-4. Nope. your self is somewhat influenced by the outer world, yes, BUT the SELF is how you make decisions and judgements. You can make any decision you want, and society cannot control your self. So therefore, self is independent.


"The self is a mirror of how we affect people and how people reacto to it."

-5. Yes, I don't believe I ever said anything against this idea.

"Without people we wouldnt be able to tell how we were, there would be no self nor identity."

-6. In my opinion, this is wrong. See, the whole basis of my article was basically set upon this this: The Identity listens to the outside world, and the Self listens to you. The Identity is false, the Self is true. You do not need an Identity in order to live or be a successful human being. OTHER PEOPLE CANNOT TELL YOU WHO YOU ARE! How could they? THEY DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU! There is always a self, think of it this way: The self is a more experienced ID, and the Identity is a twisted sort of EGO.

"The only difference I can think of is that identity is what identity is the how you behave and self is how you want to behave."

-7.
Hah, and I guess it is for that reason that you didn't write such a post....
Believe what you wish, I cannot and will not stop you. I will however suggest to others that your thought process is wrong.
-Identity is the need to be accepted, and the mirroring of others that defects from one's true self. It is dependent because Identity feels the need for acceptance from society, which is impossible because there are always people who would reject you in society, there are always people that don't really care much for you. So, one can see that the Identity is weak.

-Self is the knowledge of who you are and the acceptance of everything about you. It is strong because you don't rely on others to make choices, or judge yourself. YOU KNOW WHO AND WHAT YOU ARE, and once you know, no one can tell you otherwise (as long as the subject of judgement is you).

---In conclusion, believe what you want, say what you want; I will keep on thinking my way. I believe my own truth, and you yours.
I do believe that you confused the effects of SELF and IDENTITY.
 

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I have The Power of Now. I havent read it though because I got other books Im reading.
 

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Re: You are not your job, or how much money you have in the bank...

Originally posted by Zoso

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If you want to be free,
Get to know your real self.
It has no form, no appearance,
No root, no basis, no abode,
But is lively and buoyant.
It responds with versatile facility,
But its function cannot be located.
Therefore when you look for it,
You become further from it;
When you seek it,
You turn away from it all the more.
- Linji
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Linji is one of my favourites.
 

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To HappyHobo and others

There are great differences between Ego and Self.

For isntance, when you were born on earth, your SELF was already in existance, you weren't identified yet.

Then the doctor looked down and said "oh, its a boy/girl."

This gave you SOME identity, not necessarily changing your SELF.

Then your parents though, "okay, lets name him jobob"

This gave you yet MORE identity.

You grew up, you went to school, got high/low marks and were labeled "smart/stupid" this gave you yet MORE identity.


However, none of theses things change your SELF.

You are still the same being that you always were. Think of this as your "soul" or "higher self" etc.

And the identity is what OTHERS view you as.


Therefore SELF is OBJECTIVE while IDENTITY is SUBJECTIVE.


PS_ neither is good nor bad, concepts of duality might cause some to think "uh oh, i better loose my ego, its bad for me." This is completely untrue, if you aren't having sufficient results using one tool, then you should simply switch tools, not consider them "bad."

I wouldnt try extracting a screw with a hammer, and then upon failing shout out "hammers are bad!"

If you are letting your ego dominate you, all you have to do is switch tools...


;)
 

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Originally posted by Lo Hung Wang
The Power Of Now is by Eckhart Tolle.
Technically, Eckhart Tolle wrote JETZT. Die Kraft der Gegenwart: Ein Leitfaden zum Spirituellen Erwachen.
 

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Re: To HappyHobo and others

Originally posted by Psycho`Sexual
There are great differences between Ego and Self.

For isntance, when you were born on earth, your SELF was already in existance, you weren't identified yet.

Then the doctor looked down and said "oh, its a boy/girl."

This gave you SOME identity, not necessarily changing your SELF.

Then your parents though, "okay, lets name him jobob"

This gave you yet MORE identity.

You grew up, you went to school, got high/low marks and were labeled "smart/stupid" this gave you yet MORE identity.


However, none of theses things change your SELF.

You are still the same being that you always were. Think of this as your "soul" or "higher self" etc.

And the identity is what OTHERS view you as.


Therefore SELF is OBJECTIVE while IDENTITY is SUBJECTIVE.


PS_ neither is good nor bad, concepts of duality might cause some to think "uh oh, i better loose my ego, its bad for me." This is completely untrue, if you aren't having sufficient results using one tool, then you should simply switch tools, not consider them "bad."

I wouldnt try extracting a screw with a hammer, and then upon failing shout out "hammers are bad!"

If you are letting your ego dominate you, all you have to do is switch tools...


;)
nice!
 
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