The Power of Friendzones

[the305]

So lets say you woke up one day, and for some reason WANT to be friendzoned by girls.. crazy right? this is like the worst thing you could want. You start out meeting women at school.. work.. bars.. parties.. supermarkets. With the intent of just being a social person, NO intention of attracting WHAT SO EVER. So the girl is thinking.. "oh hes just a cool guy, he isnt hitting on me or anything.. wait why isnt he hitting on me? he must be shy.. yeah.. but wait he approached me.. i dont get it.. whatever tho"

So you get up to about 10 "friendzone" relationships with cute girls, you get to a point where, its funny facebook comments back and forth.. text messages back and forth about random, fun vibey stuff, you even talk to them about their current boys, they are talking to.. messing with etc.. even give some advice to them to help them

Like WTF this is the OPPOSITE of everything you've learned, why the HELL would you be "friends" with a girl, why the hell would you give advice to her for ANOTHER guy. Crazy right?

So you have 10 good relationships with 10 cute girls, so now your inviting them out to a local bar, where they are bringing their friends.

your cute new friendzone: hey girls, the305 invited us to the new bar downtown, yah you know the305, the cool funny one, i told you about him.

So you invite the 10 girls and all their friends out to the downtown bar, only 3 girls show up BUT with 3 friends each, you now have 9 girls at the bar that came because of YOU. and the best part is, you are being introduced to 6 new girls, that ONLY know: you are a cool guy AND friends with HER best friend.

But wait this is crazy, you'd rather be out chasing girls with your wing, trying to seduce them.. and dealing with logistics.. and their cack blocking friends, and their btch shields, instead of hanging out with 9 girls, who will NATURALLY be interested in you, in how the HELL you know all these cute girls. Crazy huh.. lol

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I live in miami beach, so the night life is one of the best in the world, hands down we have some of the most gorgeous women period. I'm at a point where when I go out to a bar/lounge its with 2-3 guys and 10+ women, we walk straight in, into the VIP because ANY major establishment will sit you right in VIP if you bring 10 hot girls for FREE. Could I sleep with every one of the girls i hang out with, ofcourse not.. But the ones I am interested in, its like CAKE, its to a point where I have so much perceived value in their eyes, they are interested in ME, wanting to know more about ME, you NEED a personality that is congruent, I cant be this quite shy guy, i need to be the fun positive, living in the moment kind of guy.

Is this the only way to get women, OF COURSE NOT, i STILL love, going out with my wing, or alone and just meeting women, and flirting, and turning up the sexual vibe, to a point where there nothing else to do but.. have some sex =), lol. I love that, its a thrill to me, but its tiring and gets old after a while, it looses its appeal. So i switch back and forth.

I genuinely like having girl friends as friends, all of my knowledge on how women interact and the natural reaction patterns they follow i've learned from having girl "friends"

This isn't a method or a routine or anything, its purely a route I took, and i've shared the info when many guys struggling , it gave them a completely new out look, along with WAY more girls in their life.

 

[Semtex]

This is sounds really valid...

 

[yuppaz]

sounds like AFC Adam... not a bad idea, social proof is so key and cold approaching can get very very tiring if you don't already have an abundant mentality which is hard to come by without abundance.... hahaha

 

[War Against Betaism]

I agree with this post, the community has made it seem like having girls as friends is a terrible thing. Realize that women are also human beings that you can legitimately be friends with. I have 2 that I'm really close with and I've met many women through them because they invite me to parties, and when they hit me up to hang out they're usually with other beautiful girls.

Though it should also be noted it doesn't mean you can be "friends" with just ANY girl. My friend tried doing this to a girl he tried getting at first and she became one of his bestfriends. She hangs out with mostly guys, doesn't go to parties, already has a baby so she's stuck at home much of the time, and he's NEVER met another girl through her. Plus it seems like she only uses him to talk to him about her problems. Me on the other hand my 2 close girl friends are really popular, people love them, and on top that they're good company who can actually keep a conversation interesting.

 

[old married dude]

I had a good female friend that would be my wing all the time. She taught me a lot & I could probably credit her for turning me into a DJ b/c she told me all about how females operate. I would do OK when going out by myself as far as picking up girls goes, but when I had her as a wing I was a lot more successful.

 

[Lexington]

Instead of trying to befriend 10 chicks, why not just go after them? If they're attractive and single, why would you want to be their platonic friend? The idea of befriending girls simply for the sake of meeting other girls seems rather long-winded.

Obviously, if you have female friends, you should make use of them (and whatever else you have in your "arsenal"). Along the way, I'm sure that many of us have accumulated a few of them. But purposefully trying to get friendzoned by girls sounds like a waste of perfectly good opportunities to me.

 

[beaker]

friending girls is ok for someone that wants a hella wing. It's like training wheels for confidance.

 

[the305]

Lexington: I think you are still caught up in your "im a man i seduce women, if not i use them to seduce other women, i don't befriend the enemy!" phase. Believe me i was there, then I realized that, having friends (girls/guys) and a good time was WAY more fun then chasing, chasing, chasing, the most IMPORTANT lesson was HOLY **** did i learn SOOO MUCH about women from having so many friends as women, i instantly started to figure them out, i was "in" with them, they had boy discussions WITH me, they told me all there issues with boys and how to acted and didnt act.

The information was my golden ticket, no matter how many books or forum posts someone reads they will never just understand , what women want and dont want, having female friends gets you THAT much closer.

You see it as a waste of "resources" and I see it as a gold mine.

 

[Lexington]

Lexington: I think you are still caught up in your "im a man i seduce women, if not i use them to seduce other women, i don't befriend the enemy!" phase. Believe me i was there, then I realized that, having friends (girls/guys) and a good time was WAY more fun then chasing, chasing, chasing, the most IMPORTANT lesson was HOLY **** did i learn SOOO MUCH about women from having so many friends as women, i instantly started to figure them out, i was "in" with them, they had boy discussions WITH me, they told me all there issues with boys and how to acted and didnt act.

The information was my golden ticket, no matter how many books or forum posts someone reads they will never just understand , what women want and dont want, having female friends gets you THAT much closer.

You see it as a waste of "resources" and I see it as a gold mine.

I agree 100% that you can have fulfilling friendships with women. I have lots of female friends. I agree that you can learn a lot from them. And yes, it is fun to kick back with mixed company instead of just hanging out with the boys all the time.

I just don't like the idea of purposefully trying to get friendzoned by attractive girls. If you are a decently sociable person, you will naturally accumulate a few attractive female friends along the way. But if you meet a girl who is attractive and single, why not just go for it?

Your method seems to be:
meet attractive girl => befriend girl => meet girl's friends => mack on girl's friends => bang girls' friends

My method is:
meet attractive girl => mack on girl =>bang girl

Time is precious. Every attractive, single girl you meet is an opportunity. Why purposefully try to befriend a girl, when you can just have her?

 

[the305]

So you believe: meet attractive girl => mack on girl =>bang girl - will work with guys that aren't good with women, to begin with.

OVER

meet attractive girl => befriend girl => meet girl's friends => mack on girl's friends => bang girls' friends

and i NEVER said meet girls JUST to bang their friends, I would never condone that, ever. I'm saying make friends.. make girl friends.. go out meet people have fun! - the more people you have around you specifically girls, the EASIER it is to meet girls, the EASIER it will get to understand them, and the EASIER it will get to have sex, with their friends or a completely different girls.

Don't turn this into a sleazy "method" (i hate that word) of a way to con people into using them for their friends.

Thats what the "community" coins as social circle, to use people, im saying make some damn friends! thats all lol.

This whole method of thinking IS counter intuitive, and to be successful, you sometimes need to take the counter intuitive path.

 

[kingsam]

most guys get screwed over by the FZ as they cant handle it

 

[ARrocket]

I think your method is just fine, the305 (area code?). The problem is that a lot of guys take it to mean that you should first become friends with the girl you are trying to bang, which we all know is just an awful way about going at it. And IMO, that's the way your advice has come off in some of the other threads you've posted in.

I fully agree that having female friends is great, and you can definitely "use" them to meet their friends and bang them, but I also agree with Lexington. When I meet a hot girl, I'm not interested in befriending her, I'm interested in seducing her.

Through your own social circle, you WILL make attractive female friends (your friend's gf and her friends, etc). I think that THIS is where your approach is at it's finest.

 

[Lexington]

I think we are mostly in agreement, my only gripe was with this portion:

So lets say you woke up one day, and for some reason WANT to be friendzoned by girls

Let's be honest, does any guy WANT to be friendzoned by an attractive girl? Now it's one thing if she's your work colleague (it's a good idea not to get involved with them) or if she's dating your friend, she's an ex-girlfriend or the chemistry is just not there. But all guys want to bed every attractive girl they meet.

I'm not suggesting that guys can't be friends with girls. I think they should. But that is simply a byproduct of being a sociable person. It's pretty rare to find a guy who is a huge hit with the ladies who isn't also a hit with just about everyone. These kinds of people just have great all around interpersonal skills.

What I am against is purposefully getting friendzoned. I think even guys who aren't yet good with the ladies should go ahead and mack on them. You learn best by doing. They may well crash and burn multiple times, but they can only get better through practice.

You become a good driver by driving, you become a quick typist by typing and you become a virtuoso guitar player by playing the guitar! The same principle applies to girls.

Most guys who are having a tough time with the ladies already have confidence issues. They will be looking for any excuse NOT to do approaches. They need to dive right in and get started. There's no getting around the approaching thing. The sooner they start, the better off they are.

 

[Lexington]

Oh and I thought "the305" was referring to the Chevy 305 small block engine! I guess it is an area code though.

 

[the305]

1. Guys are approaching women without having the slightest idea about how they are looking to be approached.
2. They don't have the social intelligence to calibrate to situations.
3. They don't have the confidence, because they are so, lost on what they are doing will really work or not.

ALL of those are covered WHEN you make friends with girls, and get to know how they tick, their frame of mind, etc.. etc..

Oh.. the good old "you get better at something, by doing it" analogy.

So what happens if you keep doing it WRONG over and over...and just cant figure out what the problem is. what happens now, got another analogy? You know... like pretty much 70% of the "community" has been doing WRONG half their life, and are here to seek help on how to do it RIGHT, NOT how to KEEP doing it wrong, as your analogy states.

P.S. i said make friends with girls, I didnt say "you cannot bang this girl, you can only bang her friends" - its a guideline not a manuscript....

C'MON SON

 

[Oxide]

1. Guys are approaching women without having the slightest idea about how they are looking to be approached.
2. They don't have the social intelligence to calibrate to situations.
3. They don't have the confidence, because they are so, lost on what they are doing will really work or not.

ALL of those are covered WHEN you make friends with girls, and get to know how they tick, their frame of mind, etc.. etc..

Oh.. the good old "you get better at something, by doing it" analogy.

So what happens if you keep doing it WRONG over and over...and just cant figure out what the problem is. what happens now, got another analogy? You know... like pretty much 70% of the "community" has been doing WRONG half their life, and are here to seek help on how to do it RIGHT, NOT how to KEEP doing it wrong, as your analogy states.

P.S. i said make friends with girls, I didnt say "you cannot bang this girl, you can only bang her friends" - its a guideline not a manuscript....

C'MON SON

It's always more fun when you bring girls with you. A lot easier to get other girls.

What are some things you've learned that were "oh wow!" moments?

 

[Lexington]

1. Guys are approaching women without having the slightest idea about how they are looking to be approached.
2. They don't have the social intelligence to calibrate to situations.
3. They don't have the confidence, because they are so, lost on what they are doing will really work or not.

1. That's what they have this site for along with many other resources. The information is out there if they want it. Yes there is a lot of garbage out there, but as one becomes better versed, it's pretty easy to separate the wehat from the chaff.
2. They will learn how to calibrate to situations with experience.
3. True confidence comes with knowing you can do something. If you've never done it before, you can't be confident.

ALL of those are covered WHEN you make friends with girls, and get to know how they tick, their frame of mind, etc.. etc..

I would be very cautious about getting your information about what works on the ladies from the ladies. A very large percentage of the things they tell you about attraction is just dead wrong. That's why there are so many guys b*tching about how girls claim they want a nice guy while fvcking an abusive jerk.

Girls often lie to THEMSELVES. To be fair, it's not really lying. They are just driven by emotion to a larger extent than we are and that tends to override logic. Hence what they say and what they do can be two completely different things.

Oh.. the good old "you get better at something, by doing it" analogy.

So what happens if you keep doing it WRONG over and over...and just cant figure out what the problem is. what happens now, got another analogy?

I think you are insulting the intelligence of most people. This isn't rocket science. If a guy honestly does hundreds of approaches and can't figure out what works, then he is probably either a) very stupid, b) hideously unattractive or c) both.

Thanks to this forum and other resources, it's not like the guy would have to just try random things either. He already has a "playbook" so to speak. He just has to keep running different plays until he finds something that works for him. Maybe if the spread doesn't work, he can try the power run game and if that fails, maybe the triple option will work.

You know... like pretty much 70% of the "community" has been doing WRONG half their life, and are here to seek help on how to do it RIGHT, NOT how to KEEP doing it wrong, as your analogy states.

I would bet a lot of money that this 70% of "community members" don't even practice the principles of the said community. That's why we have so many ignorant posts.

P.S. i said make friends with girls, I didnt say "you cannot bang this girl, you can only bang her friends" - its a guideline not a manuscript....

C'MON SON

The only thing I objected to is purposefully being friend zoned by attractive girls. It's far more efficient to simply pursue attractive girls rather than becoming their friend.

 

[the305]

"A very large percentage of the things they tell you about attraction is just dead wrong"

correct. asking a girl "hey, what works, that i guy can do" is VERY different, then hanging out with girls, and LISTENING to them talk, seeing how the react to situations, seeing what guys do and don't do to get them.

i specifically said, you will learn how they tick/their frame of mind,etc.. i didn't say "go ask them what works, cause they give great advice." =D

 

[zekko]

I've heard this theory about bringing hottie girl friends into the club with you for social proof. I don't doubt that it works. But here's what I always thought was the problem with it:
Guys that need this sort of thing are awkward with women. If they can't land a hottie for themselves, how are they supposed to land 10 hotties that want to hang around with them as friends?

 

[Oxide]

I can tell you first hand it works - I know a guy who has 4-5 REALLY good looking girl friends he takes everywhere. He always bangs and dates the hottest girls.

You bring girls you are THE man anywhere you go, from a bar to a millionare's boat. The man gets THE woman.