The Pitfalls Of Dating Masculine Women!

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I have only experienced two masculine women in my dating experience, and let's just say it was an absolute HEADACHE

Have you dated chicks that are masculine, however from time to time can turn on the feminity.

How was your experience?

This is actually something I will be vetting HARD for in the future. Looking for those feminine traits. If she has an agressive/ rombustios, combative streak to her, I'm gonna run a million miles.
 

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Wasn't great - I will give two examples:

Had a woman sit next to me once in the computer lab while I was hammering out an essay I had put to paper. After a while she turned to me and asked what my paper was about. I said nothing interesting and she asked me if I wanted to type hers instead. I lol'ed and said she had to be kidding, she made a joke and then we started talking. Long story short before she left the lab she wrote down her phone number on a piece of paper and gave it to me, told me to call her sometime so we could hang out. She was moving away at the end of the semester.

Another time I had a woman pull up beside me at a bar I was in. She turned to me, looked me dead in the eyes and asked if I cared to buy her a drink. I said I am not sure this might be the beginning of trouble (lol). Then she said something like she's not trouble and a fun girl. By the end of the interaction I asked for the # because I felt I was in.

These were cases where I did little to nothing - sometimes guys say they wish it could be this easy all the time and why don't women make direct moves etc. Dating would be so much easier this way. I got with one of them, but hung out with for a period of time and both were not great. They were bossy and controlling. If I was to have any kind of relationship with them it for sure would've been dysfunctional with a lot of fighting.

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You don't want this in other words. You want a woman who is more in tune with her feminine nature.
 
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Most men who have dated a woman with an advanced degree have had this experience. There are plenty of female lawyers and business managers out there who look like a biological woman looks because they are biological women. However, they possess many masculine traits that are a result of spending 40+ hours a week working in a white collar job.

Dating most women with an advanced degree is an absolute trainwreck, even if they aren't single moms.

Women with more feminine traits seem to be taken off the market earlier in life. However, there are women with feminine traits that re-enter the market as divorcees, and often as single mom divorcees.

It's a lot more difficult to find a childless woman who is 30+ who has many desirable feminine traits.
 

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Those are examples of leeches not masculine women.

a masculine woman will pay for her own drink and then kiss you without warning. Then she will as if you want to have fun in your car. When you agree she’ll say “stop by the liquor store, I’ll buy us some wine” which she will do.
If this seems oddly specific it’s because I had this experience. During sex she was a pleaser tho, not a dom.

the perfect energy
 

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Most men who have dated a woman with an advanced degree have had this experience. There are plenty of female lawyers and business managers out there who look like a biological woman looks because they are biological women. However, they possess many masculine traits that are a result of spending 40+ hours a week working in a white collar job.

Dating most women with an advanced degree is an absolute trainwreck, even if they aren't single moms.

Women with more feminine traits seem to be taken off the market earlier in life. However, there are women with feminine traits that re-enter the market as divorcees, and often as single mom divorcees.

It's a lot more difficult to find a childless woman who is 30+ who has many desirable feminine traits.
For certain occupations, yeah. My sister Camila has a post grad degree, she's a physical therapist. She was engaged during the program and married not long after, started her family. She was 26. My mother was very strict with her tho.

Highly educated and 30+ and single? Yeah probably an uber feminist
 

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My gf is a career masculine women, here are some irks I have with her.

1). She always falls asleep at 8:30 or 9 on the dot due to work stress

2). She has a hard time filtering work out of her personal life rather it be letting go of the stress or it being a common conversation topic

3). She always wants to be Fvcked, not just have sex

4). It is kind of sad watching her sacrifice her health and life opportunities for a corporation or career

Rich Cooper also has an insightful video on this topic

 

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My gf is a career masculine women, here are some irks I have with her.

1). She always falls asleep at 8:30 or 9 on the dot due to work stress

2). She has a hard time filtering work out of her personal life rather it be letting go of the stress or it being a common conversation topic

3). She always wants to be Fvcked, not just have sex

4). It is kind of sad watching her sacrifice her health and life opportunities for a corporation or career

Rich Cooper also has an insightful video on this topic


Do you not find that Masculine chicks are alot more combative? Argumentative.

My experience tells me, they are more likely to keep challenging you and more likely to create drama.

I mean you got two masculine people in the same room, how the hell is that likely to end well.
 

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My gf is a career masculine women, here are some irks I have with her.
You will have a new girlfriend at some point. Those irks will get REALLY ANNOYING long term.

2). She has a hard time filtering work out of her personal life rather it be letting go of the stress or it being a common conversation topic

4). It is kind of sad watching her sacrifice her health and life opportunities for a corporation or career
Both of these are big problems. In #4, the sacrifices aren't worth it. Her current employer could ditch her at any moment. The typical boyfriend or husband cares more about the individual woman than some faceless corporate entity. A lot of corporations will do everything that they can to avoid laying off a woman but sometimes a company's financial outlook is so poor that they'll need to terminate some female employees. If a woman has a little bit more job security in her chosen profession (meaning she's likely not in sales/marketing/HR), she still gives a lot to her career. For instance, @IKO69 mentions the occupation of physical therapist. It's pretty difficult for a physical therapist to get laid off, but a female physical therapist is likely to have a difficult time unwinding from work. She might be better about that than some women in business management roles or female lawyers, but still not as good a non-management, average performing job with just a basic job.

There are plenty of women with business, legal, or medical careers who have a difficult time shutting off work mode in their personal lives. This can make a poor impression on early stage dates. It's not only women who have advanced degrees who act like this. There are even some women with bachelor's degrees who are like this, Generally, this is worse for women with advanced degrees.

1). She always falls asleep at 8:30 or 9 on the dot due to work stress
This can happen. That will affect how much time you two can spend together and the quality of time spent together.

For certain occupations, yeah. My sister Camila has a post grad degree, she's a physical therapist. She was engaged during the program and married not long after, started her family. She was 26. My mother was very strict with her tho.

Highly educated and 30+ and single? Yeah probably an uber feminist
Many physical therapists end up marrying while they are in graduate school, which is probably wise for them since they have higher market value with just a bachelor's at that point in time, they are younger, and they have fewer responsibilities. It's a justifiable decision to cash out of the sexual marketplace then and hope that the LTR ends up working out. Without cashing out, the perception changes. A 30 year old physical therapist with no boyfriend on the open market doesn't have as much value because her hypergamy will demand a higher earning man and she'll be a less feminine woman with the baggage of an advanced degree and a demanding career. I believe that being a physical therapist is less demanding than a female MD, a female dentist, a female lawyer, or a middle/upper management business woman.

A childless, 30+ woman with an advanced degree and a white collar job who is on the open market is a big time feminist.

A childless, 30+ woman with only a bachelor's degree has less of a chance of being a masculinized woman and she probably didn't intend to become a careerist, unlike the woman with the advanced degree. Some of those women with bachelor's degrees who are 30+ had their relationships not succeed prior to age 30 and then eventually ended up by default developing a more masculine frame as they had to lean more into their career as their personal romantic relationship failed.
 

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Do you not find that Masculine chicks are alot more combative? Argumentative.

My experience tells me, they are more likely to keep challenging you and more likely to create drama.

I mean you got two masculine people in the same room, how the hell is that likely to end well.
idk I don’t think masculine is a good word to describe them. She’s not argumentative at all and I wouldn’t even call that a masculine trait.
 

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Men intuitively know that high mileage women are ill-suited for anything other than casual sex. It's a gut feeling. Now the problem with a gut feeling is that it's often hard to provide an articulate explanation for why you are experiencing it. But you know that every time you ignore a gut feeling, you end up regretting it.

Ultimately, every aspect of sexual behaviour can be explained by evolutionary psychology. A female's natural reproductive strategy is to find a man who will act as protector and provider. How do you keep such a man? By having his kids. If a woman has sex with multiple men, no one can be sure who the father of her kids is. As a result, there is no incentive for anyone to take responsibility for those kids (and for their mother). So if promiscuity is contrary to a woman's natural reproductive strategy, why would a woman chose to be promiscuous anyway? Our male intuition tells us that there must be something wrong with her - a psychological defect or flaw or perhaps some kind of trauma.

Now in this day and age, a woman cannot be expected to be a virgin. The social conditions are simply not right for that. However, if counting the number of her sexual partners requires more than one hand, you've got a problem. If more than two hands are required, you are well into "that shipped has sailed" territory.
 

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Ngl man I kinda liked some masculine qualities in women.. Depends on the chick though. I love messing with Leo's for that reason.. they love to play hard to get, are super prideful, they think they're the queen of women.. and often times are definitel the center of attention of their friend groups and anywhere they go. Its funny though because when they do their best to act like they don't have feelings for you, its easy to test them.. ie: call another girl while in the room wiht them whe n they're acting with their queen attitude and watch them boil with jealousy despite you telling them its just a friend and it really just being another friend.

I also love tomboy types.. its more fun to be around them as they love to be competitive in stuff too, whether its playing sports, bowling, pool, w.e it is-- and then it just makes the sex even better when you can finally put them into that submissive position. To make it clear though, tomboys that still look hot/beautiful and feminine ..

I think it might just be that i like really confident women.. and some confident women have masculine qualities.. aka not so agreeable, challenge ideas you have, competitive with you, etc.

I dated a real professional chick who made 6 figures for a short while and that chick was mad annoying. I think it depends how deep they are into the professional world. She almost seemed to have this attitude like she wanted me to believe she knew more thanme about life or somethin.
 

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I guess I’ll post it here. First, I disagree with the term masculine female because it is too ambiguous, but I will roll with it for the sake of this thread.

1). Easier to get along with outside sex. Whether it is playing video games, athletics, growth mindset…You can bond with her easier than other girls because she values masculine things.

2). They tend to pay for you more or be willing to split the bill

3). They are more autonomous which gives you more space.

4). They tend to have the highest sex drives from my personal experience.

5). I rarely have to deal with their families or parents because they tend to be more financially independent.

6). We share more common interests. I just can’t mentally get along with a NEET or girl with low ambition.
 
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My gf is a career masculine women, here are some irks I have with her.

1). She always falls asleep at 8:30 or 9 on the dot due to work stress

2). She has a hard time filtering work out of her personal life rather it be letting go of the stress or it being a common conversation topic

3). She always wants to be Fvcked, not just have sex

4). It is kind of sad watching her sacrifice her health and life opportunities for a corporation or career

Rich Cooper also has an insightful video on this topic

Why do you have such a girlfriend then? Do you love her?
 

Create self-fulfilling prophecies. Always assume the positive. Assume she likes you. Assume she wants to talk to you. Assume she wants to go out with you. When you think positive, positive things happen.

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Wasn't great - I will give two examples:

Had a woman sit next to me once in the computer lab while I was hammering out an essay I had put to paper. After a while she turned to me and asked what my paper was about. I said nothing interesting and she asked me if I wanted to type hers instead. I lol'ed and said she had to be kidding, she made a joke and then we started talking. Long story short before she left the lab she wrote down her phone number on a piece of paper and gave it to me, told me to call her sometime so we could hang out. She was moving away at the end of the semester.

Another time I had a woman pull up beside me at a bar I was in. She turned to me, looked me dead in the eyes and asked if I cared to buy her a drink. I said I am not sure this might be the beginning of trouble (lol). Then she said something like she's not trouble and a fun girl. By the end of the interaction I asked for the # because I felt I was in.

These were cases where I did little to nothing - sometimes guys say they wish it could be this easy all the time and why don't women make direct moves etc. Dating would be so much easier this way. I got with one of them, but hung out with for a period of time and both were not great. They were bossy and controlling. If I was to have any kind of relationship with them it for sure would've been dysfunctional with a lot of fighting.

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You don't want this in other words. You want a woman who is more in tune with her feminine nature.
And this is why you don’t want the woman doing the initiating. That’s the man’s job. Her job is to respond; to receive the man’s interest.
 

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Masculine women do nothing for me

You are constantly battling just to try and establish a basic masculine / feminine polarity which every healthy realtionship needs to be able to last

Depending on the woman sex can become difficult as everything will be on her terms

There are some pro's to masculine women but they will very rarely translate into a healthy long term relationship for a man
 

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Masculine women do nothing for me

You are constantly battling just to try and establish a basic masculine / feminine polarity which every healthy realtionship needs to be able to last

Depending on the woman sex can become difficult as everything will be on her terms

There are some pro's to masculine women but they will very rarely translate into a healthy long term relationship for a man
It NEVER ends, it's all a cycle out of spite.
 

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why do y’all date crazy Eastern European chicks?
Do you mean me specifically? I don’t have an Eastern European woman and if I were single likely wouldn’t pursue an American woman born in Eastern Europe.

I simply sake you that question and similar ones to men who stay with women they don’t seem fond of.
 

Create self-fulfilling prophecies. Always assume the positive. Assume she likes you. Assume she wants to talk to you. Assume she wants to go out with you. When you think positive, positive things happen.

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