The paradox that has plagued my game for months.

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I've been absorbing this info for a while now, and I have to say I'm a much better individual in terms of confidence and drive. However, when it comes to women, I have a conundrum.

-Being average looking, my composure generally draws the attention of HB5-7s pretty easily. Once I notice them noticing me, it's easy as pie. Push/pull, c&f, the whole nine yards. If it's a dance club, it's even worse, I just grind with some specially tailored kino, get the kiss, and off we go.

-When it comes to 8-9.9s, I don't have that initial attraction. They naturally have higher "standards" in looks because they are hit on so much, so it takes some game. The problem is, I can't function unless the attraction is there, so I do everything in my power, subconsciously, to make it appear. This leads to me qualifying myself to her again and again. Dropping my name early, talking too much, forcing the whole 'disinterest' charade, giving one person my undivided attention. By then, I've already shot myself in the foot and I usually just exit the set, angry at myself.

That's the crux of my problem. If a girl is attracted to you, and you don't give her what she wants, it's child's play. What do you do when she's not?

Take the MM approach, lean backwards as if you're walking away, and ask an opinion? I'm not very good at using MM's material. Go Gunwitch, get horny, and start something up? The HB 8-9.9 isn't really paying attention to you, so you need to get her attention first, and doing that with Gunwitch on usually seems telegraphing interest. Tried it before, crashed and burned because I pretty much eye-fvcked the chick too fast.

How do you build attraction when someone isn't into you right from the start, and how do you do this while remaining detached? To be honest, I've only succeeded when I was really pissed and just started negging the hell out of this one HB9, but I'm usually not so abusive when I open sets.

I feel like I already know the answer, but can't make it crystal-clear in my mind. A few solutions I've come up with:

-Drink a lot less when I sarge in clubs, etc. I usually end up talking way too much, or being very unclear with what I say and having to repeat myself.

-Focus less on the approach. It's so counter-intuitive, but when you're really not 'interested' (going out of your way to get their attention), you end up getting it anyway.

-Spend my time improving my life. I seriously think I need a break from DJing. I pretty much dropped organic chem because I was spending my Thurs. nights trying to get laid instead of sleeping for the vital Friday lecture. Just gotta sort out my priorities, I'm going to take it easy for the next few weeks and just go with the flow.

Yea, I think I answered my own question, but I'll post this in case there are any thoughts.
 

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64 views, no responses, yet "best troll of 2006" gets hits within minutes.

Does anyone have any advice or comments at all? I think this is the one wall I need to break down to step my approach game up.
 

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Im no master at this. Im sure theres a proper technique for what im describing too.
I prefer the slightly plainer girls. :)

I think you have the ideas right, tis difficult, specially if she is real reluctant to drop her guard.
However i think you should look into using her looks against her. Fain interest in her slightly uglier friends, try not to eye **** her, straight away.
Maybe neg rep her as you say you've tried, see if it has the effect of bring her down.
Dont put her on a pedestal, just imagine shes eye fcking u as you talk to her.
Drinking less is a good idea to start with.

I know the feeling, ive had a girl try **** blocking me when i was talking to her mate, asked her name to try and get her to drop her guard and she said she didnt have one. I managed to guess it right first time. (lucky), her guard dropped just like that.

Imn sure we can come up with something we if discuss ideas.

http://www.bristollair.com/outer-game/techniques/specifics/neg-theory.html
try this possibly?
 
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negs! and demostarte higher value.. but f0ck women... school is much more important.
 

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My advice would be to slow down. Don't make your goal to fvck a chick that night, instead make the goal to make a group of girls laugh. If you make it fun you take the pressure off and things will flow easier.

Consider the hypothietical... say you are average looking 5/10
1-2's (aka the 'bullets') they will either flirt with you or stop you from hitting on their hotter friends.
3-5's will be easy to attract, and do things to make it known they are attracted to you.
6-7's - will be attainable but present a challenge.
8-9's - very few will be initially attracted, but to catch their attention and create the game, are attainable
10s - You better got your **** together.

I remember the 6 months I vowed to not have a gf... I had more ***** in that 6 months than in a long time...
 

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hit the gym?
 

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Sopimp makes alot of sense. It seems like when I go out with the intent on "gaming" or "sarging" a girl, I have no luck. But, when I just go out with the intent of having a good time and laughing and joking with my friends and making jokes around girls too, they seem to really be interested more.
 

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1. Ignore your target to make your target crazy for you.
- Do not even look at her. If she mets your put your gaze hold your head up high as if she doesn't met your standards and look away
- If you walk directly past her or she walks past you, hold your head up high and completely ignore her. do not look at her
- If talking to the group she is in or with a group member. use really good rapport skills and strong eye contact really focus on them. Ignore the girl while she sits next to the person you are talking to. don't even look at her.

Then when you have built attraction 'notice' her and approach.
- Start speaking to her let her qualify herself
 

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Spice, you really think that a HB9 is gonna give a flying fvck if a guy who's 5/10 walks by her and raises his head up???
 

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^ AGreed. Spice_One's advice is very pooooooooor and I promise if you try it, it wont make a lick of difference. With that said, here is what will.

LOTS of Practice on girls that seem unattainable. The biggest thing is having REALLY good openers. You dont need attraction right away. You just need a foot in the door. Get an opener that works for you and makes a girl laugh. Use it over and over until you are a master of it and can pull it on someone so smoothly its second nature. Then you can start-up a convo with anyone you want.

This works in several ways. Now you can walk around a room opening up convos with HB8s and HB9s. Some will only spend long enough with you to answer your opinion question, some might linger and talk, others might not. Practice will teach you all about what works and what doesn't.

As you said,
Tried it before, crashed and burned because I pretty much eye-fvcked the chick too fast.
. That is one try that failed. I've tried things that failed 5 times and then worked on someone hotter than the first 5. It does'nt always make sense right away. You have to work at this. There is a reason that major leauge baseball players are the top 1-2% of the league below them. The same goes for DJs.
 

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I've been having a similar problem.. and am starting to get beyond it. My "stuff" is more inner game things. It ends up giving me more comfort in the interaction, I joke more, I make much less a big deal of her looks.

The latest thing I'm working on is to assume she's attracted. On some level, if she's standing there conversing with you, something about you works for her. If you assume attraction, your body language will be much more relaxed with her, you can just focus on connecting with her, and not kissing up; very sexy. If you don't assume attraction, you will signal to her that there's something wrong with her for being into you, she should put up shields, etc. If assuming attraction is just too far, then at least I'll tell myself "she just might be attracted", that is, allow for the possibility. Another beautiful thing this attitude does is that.. if things don't work here, there's all these other hot women that have an attraction for me, so no worries, the pressure is off, I'll talk with them, getting this one sarge to go well isn't required. The biggest aspect here is not being afraid to have the attitude of "I'm attractive, and we both know it."
 

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Thomas94305 said:
of "I'm attractive, and we both know it."
that attitude is a winner ( exhaustive, and helluva work though, hey what what do you if loooks ain't there to open the door for you)

first off, flasber I have to give you credit for giving various theories a try. e.g. the gunwitch..the neg c+f ;

how do you attract an attractive girl, that is not completely attracted to you ? Is it even possible ? If so , does that mean attraction can be increased using words and showing her value , humor ? Yes, but its not easy very difficult.

Personally, we need to work on our looks to be able to attract them. Dress better, work out, gell hair, wear height-increasing shoes, and smile.. But you can go very far , and probably within HB8-9 territory with those things I've mentioned.
 

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Try social proofing, talk to their friends, or make jokes around them instead of too them to get them warmed up to you. I got with the hottest chick in my whole school last night because I played guy friend game with her ug friends.
 
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