the old myth about women's sexual peak in their 30's

[Vulpine]

IQ over 150? Whoopee. That shows you have the "Capacity for 3-dimensional thinking". But, you are clearly aren't utilizing that capacity since you are having an emotional argument versus a logical argument... with MEN, in a MEN's FORUM, on the INTERNET.
But hey, we all choose our battles.

Anyway, I think that nobody has touched on an aspect I find CRUCIAL to childbearing: the ability to heal. Recovery seems pretty important to "most fertile" and "most able to have children".

We've discussed some evolution in this thread... evolution from what? How much do you think basic biology of humans has changed since the life expectancy was 30?

I tend to ignore statistics of how human "this and that" for beyond 30 in arguements. Or, at least give them credit only as "a side effect of not being dead".

If you factored out certain "multipliers", like modern medicine and grocery stores, you'd see that life expectancy isn't much further than 40. Ever break a bone when you were little? Dead. Car accident? Dead. Needed stitches? Dead. Major disease? Dead. Now, consider you would have to hunt/gather/farm for food... Oh, and Dentists/no toothbrushes? No teeth? Dead.

This all a bogus argument, as far as I am concerned. The only reason there are studies and statistics for people beyond thirty in the first place is because modern medicine makes things that aren't natural possible. Having children, when you are over 30, is not natural. It was mentioned that a 20 year old's hips weren't optimum for giving birth "naturally". If a 20 year old woman and 35 year old woman sat next to each other giving birth say... out in the woods, and there was no doctor, no equipment, no drugs, no nurses... it was completely "natural", who do you honestly think has a better chance to survive to have another child?

I'm not posting this for or against either way, I'm just pointing out that any and all studies are skewed. They are skewed towards "supernatural". The studies incorporate modern medicine, and those who can afford it and have access to it. Now, conisider if what everyone was arguing about here was ONLY for those people in third world countries without access to modern medicine, or ONLY for those people living in log cabins in the wilderness. I think you'll see that arguing about anything for someone over 30 is theory, hypothesis, and philisophical. You guys are arguing things like one way or the other is real or right or truth. But, it's a white-bread argument. It's an argument about a little section of the population that is elite enough to rely on modern medicine: factor in the whole world's population and it's a different argument.

Like I said, any medical statistic for someone over 30 is only a "side effect of not being dead".

 

[wayword]

And you said you are 38 or 39? So...you have not have desired for sex since your mid 30s.

Right, isn't Wyldcougar living proof against her own claims?

Remember, when it comes to women, actions speak louder than words!

She CLAIMS women get horniest in their 30s...and yet SHE is in her late 30s and hasn't fuxxored a man in ~5 years?

How many 20-yo women have gone 5 years without sex?

I rest my case.

Anyhow, again, I wouldn't be surprised if some women got a 2nd wind in their early 30s as a last ditch effort, but when I say "peak fertility" is at 23 - I include HEALTH of the baby in that equation too. Basically, that is when a woman is OPTIMALLY PRIMED to make healthy babies. You saw the best-fit testosterone curve that drops after 20...and birth defects also increase after the early 20s.

Birth defects, especially those involving chromosome number and arrangement, also increase with the age of the mother. According to the March of Dimes, "At age 25, a woman has about a 1-in-1,250 chance of having a baby with Down syndrome; at age 30, a 1-in-1,000 chance; at age 35, a 1-in-400 chance; at age 40, a 1-in-100 chance; and at 45, a 1-in-30 chance."[3]

Multiplying the conception rate times the miscarriage rate times the birth defect rates should yield a rough likelihood of a healthy birth:

30-year-olds: .91 x .85 x .999 = 77%
35-year-olds: .84 x .80 x .9975 = 67%
40-year-olds: .64 x .55 x .99 = 35%

Therefore, a woman's peak fertility would be when her sex drive is strongest (highest testosterone levels), eggs are most fertile and she is young enough to deliver the healthiest baby. And 23 thus matches well for all that.

One of the fatal hallmarks of feminism is that it tries to defy Nature and evolutionary design at every turn. Which is like like throwing the proverbial monkey wrench in the works.

Anyhow, Latinoman is also right in how cougars may be using sex as a tool of desperation kinda like the ugly girl in high school who had to put out more to compete with the prettier girls. Therefore, simply asking them to gauge their own sex drive is hardly an accurate, scientific method.

 

[Phyzzle]

did your 'research' consist solely of skimming the abstract?

Nope, got the paper right here on a university server. Free for me, but the link wouldn't work off campus.

if you'd actually read it, you'd see that the conclusion of the article with respect to the topic is that: "women in their early 30's seem to experience a peak in sexual desire as measured by subjective feelings of lust and behavioral manifestations of seductiveness and sexual activity."

Huh? Can't find that. What page/paragraph is that?

Here's 3rd paragraph page 2:

"From the extant literature, it is unclear whether an early-30's peak occurs in woman's sexuality, and no solid evidence has confirmed its presence in the realm of subjective sexual desire."

And for the data in this paper, Figure 1 shows a male lust peak at 25, and I don't see any peak for females, unless I squint and spit coffee at the screen.

Anyhow, I did do some research, unlike the rest of the guys here, who shall henceforth be referred to as doofuses.

 

[thirtyplus]

I just love that Wyld-whoever-wannaby-womyn Ms. 4.0 GPA has run away and not come back

Whether or not poster is actually who poster says poster is, poster certainly ARGUES like a woman.....

"I'm right because I said I'm right! It's true because I said it's true! It's been proven TIME and TIME AGAIN!"

"I can't be wrong! Kinsey can't be wrong! He has DUAL DEGREES!"

--> logic and science introduced

"Ahhh! Too much logic! Must FLEEEE!"

 

[Bonhomme]

The testosterone vs. age chart wayword linked has too few points to get a good curve.

There are so many factors in play, I find it hard to tell any particular age at which women tend to be most horny.

 

[azanon]

I just love that Wyld-whoever-wannaby-womyn Ms. 4.0 GPA has run away and not come back

Whether or not poster is actually who poster says poster is, poster certainly ARGUES like a woman.....

"I'm right because I said I'm right! It's true because I said it's true! It's been proven TIME and TIME AGAIN!"

"I can't be wrong! Kinsey can't be wrong! He has DUAL DEGREES!"

--> logic and science introduced

"Ahhh! Too much logic! Must FLEEEE!"

haha, good point. I was thinking it might be a dude just to "her" sheer aggression. I participate on other forums having more of a mix of genders, and usually the females just dont get very aggressive even in a dispute.

 

[SoCalMike]

I dont get it, sure Wyldcougar and the rest of her 30+ cohorts can spout the "No we really are at our peak" bullsh!t until the cows come home.

But the underlying question is do we deep down really give a sh!t?

At the end of the day even the most fully entrenched, media brainwashed AFC knows which age bracketed face he would rather blow his load on.

:crackup:

exactly.

 

[disillusionist]

Huh? Can't find that. What page/paragraph is that?

thats strange. we are referring to "Is There an Early 30s Peak in Female Sexual Desire"? the phrase i quoted: "women in their early 30's seem to experience a peak in sexual desire as measured by subjective feelings of lust and behavioral manifestations of seductiveness and sexual activity." is on page 11 of the pdf in the section Discussion --> General Observations. thats basically their conclusion. having established that, they go on to speculate about the possible evolutionary, biological and cultural pressures/benefits which might have brought this 'condition' about.

there are actually 8 authors to the study (only 2 women) including Dr David Buss who is often quoted favorably by those fond of using evolutionary type arguments to explain/justify their outlook and behavior. All their names of course should be added to the Official SoSuave Enemies List of those wilfully promoting feminine social contrivances or otherwise subverting the natural order of male superiority and 30+ yo female sexual uselessness.

honestly tho, i dont find the topic interesting. what happens in reality is that you have a woman in front of you who either is horny (for you) or is not and so i dont see the relevance of knowing what % of 30+ females self-reports greater feelings of sexual desire than they did 10 years ago. who cares?

not much in this thread issues from other than ideological fixations, but in case a rationalist accidentally stumbles in here and wants to form an opinion from a somewhat open mind about this 'myth', heres a link to the article which should be available to everyone (can i post links here?):

http://www.bradley.edu/academics/las/psy/pdfs/Schmittetal-2002-SexyPeak.pdf

like most psychological studies there are 'methodological limitations' on which the haters can focus to discredit the conclusions and not have their worldview disturbed, in the great intellectual tradition of creationists, marxists etc...

as a bonus, here is a link to the previous menu page. it has an interesting (to me, anyway) article on mate poaching with the cool title 'Nifty Ways To Leave Your Lover'

http://www.bradley.edu/academics/las/psy/schmitt.html

 

[wayword]

"women in their early 30's seem to experience a peak in sexual desire as measured by subjective feelings of lust and behavioral manifestations of seductiveness and sexual activity."

How do you scientifically meausre SUBJECTIVE feelings of lust and how accurate can that be?

I think a more accurate measure would be charting testosterone levels, # of partners and frequency of sex over the years...

Remember, with women, talk is cheap, you have to judge them by their ACTIONS!

 

[Mel75]

Hmmmm this is interesting, something I've been curious about. Thanks for the information!

 

[rakishness]

Hmmmm this is interesting, something I've been curious about. Thanks for the information!

Well....I guess nature makes older women horny because it is their LAST chance to fertilize their remaining eggs. If you think that way. NATURALLY...it actually makes SENSE that an older women is hornier than a younger women.

 

[Latinoman]

Well....I guess nature makes older women horny because it is their LAST chance to fertilize their remaining eggs. If you think that way. NATURALLY...it actually makes SENSE that an older women is hornier than a younger women.

I would not say "hornier". I would say, more being up (young ages)...go down (older ages)...and then get a "surge" (for a VERY limited amount of time) that might match her young age.