The obsession with foreign women is a fantasy tale cope

[Canadian_Man]

I’ve been watching 90-day fiancé Uk and I just do not get how men in the manosphere can hype up foreign women so much. The one from Kazakhstan in particular is a fvcking bvtch and I would never want that thing in my house lol. Furthermore, the majority of my relationships have been with women not born in America so no I’m not speaking from inexperience: India (Kashmir), Poland, Australia, Argentina, Chile, Mexico, and Japan. Here are the honest truths about dating a foreign woman.

If that show is like any of the other shows I'm thinking about (don't remember the names, someone else turned the show on), they were overly dramatic.

The TV shows probably encouraged such behaviour and filtered for men/women who would have toxic/"exciting"/dramatic relationships.

Point being, my guess would be that show (or any show like it) isn't a good basis for making a case.

(Constructive feedback for the OP)

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Sorry fellas but @HaleyBaron is correct on this one. There are too many overly authoritarian advice threads ("here are the honest truths") made by inexperienced members spamming the forum with their *VIEWS* and not real world experience, because let's face it, anyone that has to put a disclaimer ("this is not coming from inexperience....") at the beginning in an attempt to validate their statements comes off as barely believable.

It's threads like this that make this forum useless and unrewarding for newer/younger members and uninteresting for mature/experienced members.

The only resolution is to have the mods review threads before they get posted, although I doubt they would have time for that, but it would raise the quality of this forum significantly.

If we wanted to make the forum "rewarding" for younger and newer members, we would emphasize field reports which talk about the actual real-time experience we have had. My opinions and views come from doing hundreds of approaches and talking to hundreds of different women.

I get that you and Haley have a lot of time to dedicate to these petty arguments and keeping tabs on everyone, or shall I say, playing sheriff when you have no badge.

You want to earn my respect and that of new members? Go put up field reports that showcase how you interact with women and what you are doing weekly to improve.

I am done here, continue your gossip gents.

 

[Luni]

Like really, who opens a thread with:



The only people who watch that have been women, and men who study it for research. And I know Cornbread is not a researcher based on their temperament. Imagine the person who would type such a thing, and the images you might invoke are:

• Angry woman
• White knight defender
• A very young person that is too encased in the feminine as a cope of insecurity

i like the way you roll. this thread clearly has value. fascinating analysis, contextually critical.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Sorry fellas but @HaleyBaron is correct on this one. There are too many overly authoritarian advice threads ("here are the honest truths") made by inexperienced members spamming the forum with their *VIEWS* and not real world experience, because let's face it, anyone that has to put a disclaimer ("this is not coming from inexperience....") at the beginning in an attempt to validate their statements comes off as barely believable.

It's threads like this that make this forum useless and unrewarding for newer/younger members and uninteresting for mature/experienced members.

The only resolution is to have the mods review threads before they get posted, although I doubt they would have time for that, but it would raise the quality of this forum significantly.

So find me a topic on the first page of this sub-forum that you think co-aligns with your opinion. TBH, I only see @HaleyBaron troll posters that he disagrees with, so I need something to grasp.

 

[ManFromTartarus]

I get that you and Haley have a lot of time to dedicate to these petty arguments and keeping tabs on everyone, or shall I say, playing sheriff when you have no badge.

You want to earn my respect and that of new members? Go put up field reports that showcase how you interact with women and what you are doing weekly to improve.

All you have to do is look at my post count and see that you just put your foot in your mouth, and I've read a few of your "field reports", pretty pathetic TBH. Earning your respect is not high on my list.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Like really, who opens a thread with:



The only people who watch that have been women, and men who study it for research. And I know Cornbread is not a researcher based on their temperament. Imagine the person who would type such a thing, and the images you might invoke are:

• Angry woman
• White knight defender
• A very young person that is too encased in the feminine as a cope of insecurity

You literally cherry picked my OP and just said it's about 90-day fiancé! Read the rest of the post, 90-day fiancé' is only mentioned twice in the whole post. I only firmly use 90-day fiancé' to make my visa point. You didn't read my post or mean to read my post at all, you just wanted to troll.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

All you have to do is look at my post count and see that you just put your foot in your mouth, and I've read a few of your "field reports", pretty pathetic TBH. Earning your respect is not high on my list.

Great, then let's see you get off your behind and do some field reports the right way then captain, wait...you probably can't even cold approach.

 

[ManFromTartarus]

I need something to grasp.

Valid statement.

 

[CornbreadFed]

If that show is like any of the other shows I'm thinking about (don't remember the names, someone else turned the show on), they were overly dramatic.

The TV shows probably encouraged such behaviour and filtered for men/women who would have toxic/"exciting"/dramatic relationships.

Point being, my guess would be that show (or any show like it) isn't a good basis for making a case.

(Constructive feedback for the OP)

where in my 4 points do I use 90-day fiancé to firmly back a point other than the Visa issue which is common sense regardless? I will not disagree that 90-day fiancé had some inspiration in me making this topic though.

 

[Luni]

this is fun(ny)

 

[CornbreadFed]

this is fun(ny)

It had potential smh

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

This thread is a testament to why the Red Pill and Manosphere have become a laughingstock amongst most of society. FWIW, I respect Rollo and even stuck up for him on this forum and its thread on him because I met him IRL. I agree with a decent chunk of RP content that used to exist, how life is not fair for men and they must take ownership of it. It's not all incorrect and men have used it the right way to improve their lives.

However, the Red Pill fell apart when a bunch of sensitive crybabies started to get on a power trip and avoid actually talking to an interacting with women. That is why MGTOW and other nonsense came up in its place. A bunch of sensitive dudes too scared of rejection who wanted some clique to hold on to so they could protect their egos.

Yeah, it ain't fair out there for men at all, it's rough out there. But what are you going to do about it? Play forum politics day and night, hope for some magical fairyland where "feminine" women exist, and act like a bitter man?

Or are you going to go out there, take action, improve your life, and find your way to slowly crawl to success.

As a man, no one is coming to save you. You can't count on some magical country or a magical political event to improve your life. You have to go out there and make it happen yourself through the grind.

To any newbie or new member reading, I suggest starting field reports and putting in the work day by day and week by week. It is a grind and results won't come immediately. It will take tons of sacrifice and learning how to do things the right way, getting your ego humbled, and then growing from that.

I can't believe I let myself get embroiled in this nonsense.

 

[Canadian_Man]

where in my 4 points do I stand strongly with 90-day fiancé. I will not disagree that 90-day fiancé had some inspiration in me making this topic though.

Irrelevant.

Crafting good arguments requires knowing what will be automatic contention points to the audience.

By even bringing 90-day fiance up, it's likely that some of this thread will be spent arguing the merits of using that show as a reference point, and hence, take away from everything else you were trying to get at.

It is constructive feedback, not an attack on you or the rest of the post.

 

[HaleyBaron]

Play forum politics day and night, hope for some magical fairyland where "feminine" women exist

This is why I do not take you or people like Fed seriously.

I'm going to give you one once of a reply to this however cause this statement is my problem with folks like you.

Feminine women do exist. They are all women. They just happen to exist more in third world countries rather than in the first.

 

[Luni]

This thread is a testament to why the Red Pill and Manosphere have become a laughingstock amongst most of society. FWIW, I respect Rollo and even stuck up for him on this forum and its thread on him because I met him IRL. I agree with a decent chunk of RP content that used to exist, how life is not fair for men and they must take ownership of it. It's not all incorrect and men have used it the right way to improve their lives.

Should've left it at that. Rollo saved my life 5 years ago personally, forever grateful

 

[Gamisch]

I’ve been watching 90-day fiancé Uk and I just do not get how men in the manosphere can hype up foreign women so much. The one from Kazakhstan in particular is a fvcking bvtch and I would never want that thing in my house lol. Furthermore, the majority of my relationships have been with women not born in America so no I’m not speaking from inexperience: India (Kashmir), Poland, Australia, Argentina, Chile, Mexico, and Japan. Here are the honest truths about dating a foreign woman.

1). Cultural Differences - These usually aren't a problem during the honeymoon phase, but after a few months, they start to become apparent. Even women from other western countries are going to be different. In reality, it is going to be you who has to suck it up and deal with the differences, especially if you want your woman to be as preserved as possible. Lastly, you may encounter conflicts with traditionalism. For instance, even if you are a right-wing American, you are liberal compared to a conservative from Iran, for example. It is not uncommon for an American to grow up in a healthy family environment and just not be into catering resources and time to family events & holidays. However, people from other cultures, like Iranians, tend to be more devoted to their traditional families.

2). They are women at the end of the day- Any guy that hypes of foreign women as this end all be all is either A). Selling you Snake Oil, B). A guy that cannot get laid and is just regurgitating shvt he listened/read, or C). Has never gone beyond a honeymoon phase with a foreign woman due to only interacting with them through transactional relationships or casual sex encounters. In reality, they are going to operate just like any other woman. If they like you than they will respect and care for you, if they do not like you then they will combative. Furthermore, they can be way worse than American women according to my experience, stories I read on the internet, and watching murder episodes on Investigation Discovery.

3). The End Goal of Marriage or a Long-Distance Relationship will always be staring you at gunpoint - Every non-citizen foreign girl I have dated has had Visa scares and paranoia about it being revoked. Even in the "90-day fiancé" show, they are always worried about Visa issues. Women with strong visas tend to be in college, career higher ups, established business owners, and academics. AKA The Women y'all complain about lol. Becoming an American citizen is not an easy task and can take even decades of living here to obtain. The easiest solution to this is through marriage, but that entails a strong commitment. Remember that strong family connection I mentioned in point 1? Yeah, now that's your family and responsibility now lol!

4). So why do I prefer to date non-American women? I am not going to lie to you and sell you this fairy tale myth of them being super submissive, non-combative, and etc. There are a lot of issues with these women, but I simply cannot emotionally connect with American women due to my roguish/vagabond personality and the negative racial history of this country. For example, American women tend to have interests outside Football, Kim Kardashian, making politics her main identity and consider Panda Express and Taco Bell as exotic. While I can meet a Chilean woman and have a better chance of having a conversation outside those topics. Yes, there's a huge chance that she does like Football and Kim Kardashian, but it is usually secondary or not her main focus. All I am trying to say is to remove the rose-colored lenses and snake oil cologne and smell the wonderful smell of reality.

I agree, and iirc most of the time I actually disagree with you. Its a slippery slope to invest and get with a foreign woman. Before I'd consider I'd ask myself: how bad do I REALLY 2want it. Yet is DOES work for plenty of men. Lets figure out why it does or doesn't work for everyone.


Some topics strike a nerve with some people for whatever reason. Yet having a foreign wife is seen as a valuable solution nowadays. So it makes sense to discuss it.

Due to experiences we can figure out the nitty gritty about this topic. All these personal assaults ain't teaching us shyte. Looks , like usual, as schadenfreude.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Irrelevant.

Crafting good arguments requires knowing what will be automatic contention points to the audience.

By even bringing 90-day fiance up, it's like that some of this thread will be spent arguing the merits of using that show as a reference point, and hence, take away from everything else you were trying to get at.

It is constructive feedback, not an attack on you or the rest of the post.

Now you are you just goal post moving and hypocritical imh. You cannot get mad at me for using concrete and realistic evidence while you defend an ideology that relies on fantasies and over exaggerated concepts and examples. My example is more concrete than poster 248 claiming to fvck 100 feminine girls in the Philippines.

 

[Canadian_Man]

Now you are you just goal post moving and being a huge hypocrite. You cannot get mad at me for using concrete and realistic evidence while you defend an ideology that relies on fantasies and over exaggerated concepts and examples.

Learn to read.

I'm not angry.

I haven't defended the ideology that you refer to.

In this thread or any other.

In fact, I haven't come to much of an opinion on the topic at hand yet.

You jumping to the conclusion that I have says something though.

My post was meant as constructive feedback, it's your choice whether you take it that way or not.

Done replying.

(I happen to like reading your opinions, by the way. Different perspectives are usually helpful).

 

[Gamisch]

Fellas whats in the water lately?

Everyone is being so damn sensitive these days. 2 pages in and already four people are "done replying " because of pity disagreements. Yet i haven't seen many constructive comments about why it's "good or bad".

Let me say it like this: personally it's something that's always in the back of my mind, like with most western men who had struggled with women . What IF a foreign woman was the solution all along? Due to perhaps ego laziness and the lack of ability to travel overseas with an abundance it's something I've never even considered.

90 days is ofcourse a rather extreme social experiment. The culture differences magnifies the already challenging dynamics between a man and a woman. From that pov it might not be the best example , even tho it's tempting to use it.

So what's left is WHOLE lotta questions and unknowns. Personally I can't even have a strong opinion rather than a gut feeling. Looking forward to actually hear why its a good or actually a bad idea.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Learn to read.

I'm not angry.

I haven't defended the ideology that you refer to.

In this thread or any other.

In fact, I haven't come to much of an opinion on the topic at hand yet.

You jumping to the conclusion that I have says something though.
My post was meant as constructive feedback, it's your choice whether you take it that way or not.

Done replying.

The fact is that you are criticizing my OP on a literal cherry picked fallacy from a poster that supports said ideology and giving me a lecture on how to construct an argument while the RP posters have done nothing but commit fallacies and support their claims off hyperboles, straw man’s, and attacking me as a whole. Don’t even try to hide behind the curtain bro, I can hear the duck quacking