The new Michael Jackson documentary

[zekko]

You claim it is "statistically likely" he's guilty of sexual assault then claim that "no one knows for sure." Which one is it?

No. What I said was that if he was sexually assaulted as a child, that makes it more "statistically likely" that he is guilty, than if he were not sexually assaulted".

But I don't know for a fact if he was guilty or not. Neither does anyone else here. But there was certainly some suspicious behavior displayed. If it looks like a duck and all that.

 

[spitfire]

No. What I said was that if he was sexually assaulted as a child, that makes it more "statistically likely" that he is guilty, than if he were not sexually assaulted".

But I don't know for a fact if he was guilty or not. Neither does anyone else here. But there was certainly some suspicious behavior displayed. If it looks like a duck and all that.

Why do you say "if" MJ was sexually assaulted? Why is that charge so questionable when you are convinced the accusations against MJ were true? Talk about a double standard. Here's why: because you've been brainwashed by the media to believe MJ is a child molester but you have NOT been brainwashed to believe that MJ himself was molested.

It shows you how dumb and easy to manipulate the average person is. Once they are told something by media, they'll twist everything around them to convince themselves it's true. But if they haven't seen it on tv, then it's inconceivable.

"Looks like a duck and all that." What a strong argument. MJ is guilty because he looks like a child molester. If you are applying to law school, I suggest you give it up immediately.

 

[spitfire]

We were told both possibilities by "the media." How'd they succeed brainwashing on one and not the other? How do you know you're not brainwashed?

Show me the media sources which were sympathetic to MJ and claimed he was sexually molested.

 

[spitfire]

You forgot to add midgets.



Mate, you are the guillible and naive one.

It's probably imprinted in your mind and interwined with positive emotions about MJ and his music. Perhaps listening to your parents talking over the table how great MJ is. Perhaps you remember how happy you were on one of his concerts or when you received cassette with his newest hits.

Now, you need to separate this from facts and there is predominant amount of testimonies given that he was touching children in a weird way even with other people around him.

He acted in childish manner for everyone to see that he has a free spirit and pure soul as a facade as darkest place is always under the light of the lantern. He was still foking somebody right? He had sexual urges.

So this is first HUGE red flag. If you are bedding other persons during the night for sex then WTF are other parents children doing in your bed during the night?

WTF with striking childish carefree poses and playing with children all the f0ckin time? "Aww how sweet MJ is with children"

F0king creep.

This collection of bizarre artifacts in Neverland Ranch. Confessions of his house maiden. Two child abuse cases settled between him and parents of the children. Things that police found in his property (including photo album with naked ephebes)

It's obvious your education in psychological field is either non existant or lacking. There are multiple cases in history where parents KNEW WELL that their child WILL BE SEXUALLY ABUSED and THEY STILL PUT FATE OF THEIR CHILDREN IN THE HANDS OF PEDOPHILES.

Do you know why? Because they KNEW that GAIN will outweight EFFECTS OF ABUSE eventually. Yes, people like that happen and it's often connected with artistic industry. People want to SECURE fate of the child. They want him to be successful, famous. Powerful patron can secure material wealth and fame for their children and if not then they still can sue him for greater gains.

That's why underage girls somehow hit fancy parties all dressed up and security pretends that they DIDN'T KNOW that she was underage.

Roman Polansky said HE DIDN'T KNOW that girl he slept with was 13 years old. Riiight. He was too busy f0king her in her mouth, a.ss and p.ussy to notice.

For you average pedophile is the guy that is hiding in the bush near the children playground. Just stop posting about it and gain some insight first.
Because of people like you this story of abuse repeats itself in different configurations over and over again.

Yeah, bringing my family into this because I disagreed with you.

You are the idiotic incel who wants to get a tattoo because you can't get laid. See how easy that is?

When you are out of facts, or never had them to begin with, just attack the person. Ad hominem. Nice unicorn avatar btw weirdo. You are a pedo. Trying so hard and overcompensating for being a pedo by acting like you hate pedos. You are clearly projecting, pedo. (Fake Freudian psychoanalysis).

 

[spitfire]

Do yourself a favour and don't go for 'Leaving Neverland' showing. You might hurt someone. Peace out.

Exactly. More ad hominem personal attacks because you have no evidence of any kind aside from he's weird. Whatever you say tattoo unicorn pedo freak. Since you like to attack without evidence, let's see how you like it. I'll attack you with baseless accusations whenever I feel like just because. Let's see if the moderators allow that. Let's see if we can act like the media here on sosuave.

For the mods, I'm not actually accusing Markfromeurope of being a tattooed, unicorn fixated pedo freak. He may or may not be. I don't even know if his name is mark. Or if he's actually from europe. But since he's from europe and fixated on unicorns, he probably is a pedo. Sarcasm.

 

[spitfire]

I'll repeat: We were told by the media that Michael may have been abused as a child.

How did you hear about it? Your dentist? YOU show you the media sources.

Use google bro. Sarcasm.

And why do you have any doubts that MJ was molested? You are quite certain he is a molester. Why do you believe "the media" and not an anonymous internet poster? Because the media is credible? Who says so? The media?!?

 

[spitfire]

You heard about it from Google?

I never said I had doubts about anything. Nor did I say I was certain of anything.

Are you sure? You sound like a liar and child molester.

Sarcasm: I don't think you are a child molester. But I have no proof that you are not. However, you do like old movies, and that makes you a fvcking weirdo. Probably a child molester.

 

[zekko]

Why do you say "if" MJ was sexually assaulted? Why is that charge so questionable when you are convinced the accusations against MJ were true? Talk about a double standard. Here's why: because you've been brainwashed by the media to believe MJ is a child molester but you have NOT been brainwashed to believe that MJ himself was molested.

Because I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE that Michael was molested. I have no reason to doubt it. But I also DON'T KNOW FOR SURE that MJ molested anyone either. But I do think it looks very suspicious.

There's a lot of smoke around him for there to be no fire. If he wasn't a famous and largely beloved superstar, people would just assume he was a creeper and probably lock him up.

 

[spitfire]

Because I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE that Michael was molested. I have no reason to doubt it. But I also DON'T KNOW FOR SURE that MJ molested anyone either. But I do think it looks very suspicious.

There's a lot of smoke around him for there to be no fire. If he wasn't a famous and largely beloved superstar, people would just assume he was a creeper and probably lock him up.

As a matter of fact, star trek fans are far more likely to be child molesters. It's proven. Child Protective Services knows this. Your avatar looks an awful lot like Captain Kirk. Where there's smoke there's fire indeed. It couldn't be any more obvious than if you had a pedobear stitched on your sleeve. Hidden in plain sight I say. You should be locked up for watching so many sh1tty episodes of Star Trek.

Chances are you live across the street from a school playground and you ordered up some binoculars from amazon.com.

 

[spitfire]

I was about to write "at least @zekko knew when to bail on this one"

Oh well;p

Says the guy who insults my family and accuses me of violence?!? OK, no false allegations there!

Whatever, pedo weirdo. Your unicorn avatar gives it away. What kind of a grown man has a unicorn as an avator? A grown man looking to prey on children, that's what.

Mods: this is sarcasm btw. I don't know if european men in their mid 30's with unicorn avatars are definite pedo's or not. I'm just pointing out that it's extremely suspicious.

 

[Atom Smasher]

Guys, I banned Spitfire. He was actually the recently banned StevieLA.

 

[zekko]

I was about to write "at least @zekko knew when to bail on this one"

Oh well;p

Ha! Proved you wrong.

 

[sazc]

Several media sources reported that Michael Jackson had an alarm installed so that he would be given plenty of warning when ppl were approaching his bedroom at Neverland.

He also had a bedroom door lock. Why did he need the extra warning? (Enough time to get dressed)

As an adult, the only time I need to lock my door is when I don't want to be intruded upon, when I am in compromising positions.

MJ would use the alarm, and lock his door, while the kids were in the room with him. He said this was to ensure privacy (so no staff would intrude unexpectedly) however, he was MJ. It would have been AS SIMPLE to instruct the staff that anyone intruding on him would be terminated immediately. He had a forewarning alarm for a reason.

The real takeaway from all of this is - children DO NOT need 'adult friends' ever. If you have an adult whom is trying to befriend your child, just say no.

 

[zekko]

Guys, I banned Spitfire. He was actually the recently banned StevieLA.

Who's going to speak up for Michael now?

 

[zekko]

Finally saw the second part of this, didn't change my impressions much.

I thought the part with Michael's death was sad, pedophile or not. He did represent a lot of good to a lot of people, and sounds like he was charitable. It's good to remember that all people are a mixture of good and bad. Contrast that with James Safechuck's mother, who said she did a dance to celebrate his death, because he wouldn't be hurting any more children. The whole thing seems tragic.

It seems that becoming parents put Wade and James experiences into a new perspective for them. It didn't seem like they were really angry over what happened until they had kids of their own, and realized how they would react to someone doing that to their kids.

Looks like they both resent their mothers for letting that happen to them.

What looks worst for Michael is how there were a long line of kids who ended up accusing him, and they were all about the same age, they all fit the pattern.

 

[sazc]

I wonder, who molested Michael Jackson

 

[sazc]

Is that facetious? I honestly have never heard whether it was allegedly the dad, the mom, a brother, or some outsider. Probably some music industry sicko and probably a male. Usually when boys are molested by women they grow up to be serious misogynists (the real kind) like Ted Bundy.

Huh, I didn't know Ted Bundy was molested as a child. Of course that fits.

No, I was being serious. I agree, MJ was most likely put in the position to perform sexual favors in exchange for promotion, sponsorship, industry backing - just like what MJ did with his victims....

 

[sazc]

I take that back, I may have been wrong. I read The Stranger Beside Me a few years ago, but I've read a number of other true crime books (and web sites) and may have confused his background with others'. He was born out of wedlock and his grandparents pretended to be his parents, and his mother posed as his sister, for a while. He never knew his father and resented his mother for the deception.

I remember all of that. Being molested at a young age fits too. Look at R. Kelley...

 

[sazc]

Leopold and Loeb, at least one of them but I think both were molested by their au pairs. (But they murdered a boy.) John Wayne Gacy was molested by a woman too and murdered boys. So I guess you can just be really messed up no matter who violated you.

Now @sazc, you'll either find it intriguing or disturbing that I know this stuff.

Meh, I am into this type of stuff to. I don't find it overly intriguing nor disturbing. It's always nice to have a good chat with someone on a shared interest

 

[zekko]

People out looking for money grabs aren't going to continue to admit that some part of them loves a man who sexually abused them. Or experience having their families ripped apart for that matter.

And neither one is publicly stating that they've forgiven their own mother for not protecting them as children, although both say they are working on it and view forgiveness as a process or a journey.

Michael's story when defending himself was completely ludicrous. It only worked because he had lived such a unique life, and he seemed like such an odd character. People believed him when he said he didn't have a childhood, and they could manage to view MJ as just a kid in a grown up's body. Try to imagine any other guy trying to defend himself by saying the things Michael said. Nobody would believe him.