The myth of mental illness

[Rainman4707]

Summary.

1. Strictly speaking, disease or illness can affect only the body; hence, there can be no mental illness.

2. "Mental illness" is a metaphor. Minds can be "sick" only in the sense that jokes are "sick or economies are "sick".

3. Psychiatric diagnoses are stigmatizing labels, phrased to resemble medical diagnoses and applied to persons whose behaviour offends or annoys others.

4. Those who suffer from and complain of their own behaviour are usually classified as "neurotic" those whose behaviour makes other suffer, and about whom others complain, are usually classified as psychotic.

5. Mental illness is not something a person has, but is something he does or is.

6. If there is no Mental illness there can be no Mental hospitalisation, treatment, or cure for it. Of course, people may change their behaviour or personality, with or without Psychiatric intervention. Such intervention is nowadays called "treatment" and the change, if it proceeds in a direction approved by society, "recovery" or "cure"

7. The introduction of Psychiatric consideration into the administration of the criminal law-for example, the insanity plea, and verdict, diagnoses of mental incompetence to stand trial and so forth-corrupt the law and victimise the subject on whose behalf they are ostensibly employed.

8. Personal conduct is always rule following, strategic and meaningful. Patterns of interpersonal and social relations may be regarded and analysed as if they were games, the behaviour of the players being governed by explicit or tacit game rules.

9. In most types of voluntary psychotherapy, the therapist conducts himself; and to help the client scrutinise the goals and values of the life games he plays.

10. There is no medical, moral, or legal justification for involuntary Psychiatric interventions. They are crimes against humanity.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

A simple search shows that your post is plagiarized from multiple sources. It is not your original work.

While I don’t agree with your post at least provide your references, AMA style please.

 

[Rainman4707]

It's from Thomas szasz's book "the myth of mental illness"

I wasn't trying to make it look like my own work. It mightvhelp you in future if you concentrate on content instead of focusing on pettiness.

 

[Gamisch]

Hmm
Be carefully with such statements. Shrugging mental illness of as non existent is what actually keeps alotta people mentally I'll.

Maybe you can just shake it all of, other people might need other solutions.

I'd even say statements like these are what keeping those people I'll, and prevents them from seeking the help they need.

 

[DoubleBarrel]

Nah, mental illness is as real as cancer. Anyone who claims otherwise lives in a bubble and doesn't meet too many people and is pretty ignorant as to what's going on in the world.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Mental health is on a continuum like physical health. Neither is binary.

 

[Modern Man Advice]

I like this post. Only because men's mental health is important to me and one of the why's of Modern Man Advice.

Having said that, we have to be careful not to get caught up in the "political correctness" of the terms. While I agree illness can be associated with a physical/tangible occurrence in the body. When referring to mental illness we describe mental disorders. Either way, however you want to phrase it, mental issues are real and should be priority number 1 in today's society. Especially with everything that has transpired over the last decade or so and especially in the last 3 years.

I think that society has an unhealthy obsession with self-prescribing and labeling. Modern medicine simply diagnoses you and pushes pharmaceuticals products, but does not do enough to study and understand neuroscience. There are tangible and visible chemical imbalances in the brain that can cause a person to behave, think, feel, and live a certain way. But we hardly understand this organ or care to "nourish" it. We think chemical->drug. This is wrong.

Take Anxiety, for example, it is by far one of the most pronounced mental "unalignments" in today's world. Most which are self-caused or incorrectly labeled by medicine. Think of children as young as 6 being diagnosed with ADD or AHD or Anxiety. Children "inherit" mental disorders from society and modern medicine.

So back to my point, don't get caught up in the phrasing. There is an ongoing and growing mental health problem in society, and instead of applying bandages and focusing on "gun control", focus on why people's brains are being wired the way they are wired and how to make mental health a priority going forward.


Modern Man Advice

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

As a medical professional I have seen real mental health issues, like real. I’m not talking about neurotics or just plain stubbornness or light stuff like narcissistic behaviors.

The above is drivel.

 

[devilkingx2]

The brain is a physical part of the body, in theory the mind is just as much a part of your biology and chemistry as your intestines.

Frontal lobe damage has a distinct affect on the personality, so does lobotomy. Old people can die of broken hearts.

 

[logicallefty]

As a medical professional I have seen real mental health issues, like real. I’m not talking about neurotics or just plain stubbornness or light stuff like narcissistic behaviors.

The above is drivel.

I’ve seen it too as a cop, and had training on it. It’s as real as it gets.

 

[BadBoy89]

I think that society has an unhealthy obsession with self-prescribing and labeling. Modern medicine simply diagnoses you and pushes pharmaceuticals products, but does not do enough to study and understand neuroscience. There are tangible and visible chemical imbalances in the brain that can cause a person to behave, think, feel, and live a certain way. But we hardly understand this organ or care to "nourish" it. We think chemical->drug. This is wrong.

Good points.

When the economies and society run on Money, and material things you can feel, touch, and see, any type of thing that can’t be seen is not cared about or invested in to understand. In the body, we care about broken bones, or viruses, or kidneys, but since you can get inside a person‘s mind and understand it, and that mind can change every 30 seconds, it’s not worth society’s while. Society only grows through consistent behaviour. The kidney is consistent -> let’s understand it, The mind is not -> let’s not care.

Take Anxiety, for example, it is by far one of the most pronounced mental "unalignments" in today's world. Most which are self-caused or incorrectly labeled by medicine. Think of children as young as 6 being diagnosed with ADD or AHD or Anxiety. Children "inherit" mental disorders from society and modern medicine.

I really believe society causes anxiety/mental illness. Society trains a man what it wants it to be and will do everything it can to beat a man down not to be successful.

 

[Rainman4707]

Apparently what is very important to understand is that the guy is not trying to say that people don't need help, and that people don't need therapy. Quite the opposite actually! He wrote the book late fifties, early sixties. His point is that the psychological paradigms then were very flawed and need to be revisited, and he then proposes a new paradigm. So, keep an open mind. Regardless of him being right or not, he raises unthinkable questions and explores answers to them

 

[lost_blackbird]

And then of course there are developmental disorders which also affect the mind and thought process.
I should know.

 

[Rainman4707]

75% of adverts in USA and New Zealand are pharmaceutical yikes

 

[DoubleBarrel]

My nephew has been diagnosed with a mental illness - schizophrenia, a chemical imbalance in the brain.

The brain IS a part if one's body and therefore very much a disease or illness, as are other mental illnesses such as bipolar for example that is also a chemical imbalance in the brain.

Schizophrenia cannot be cured or even controlled by behavior modification or standard therapy.

The only method of controlling
symptoms effectively is medication, antipsychotics.

As you may know, schizophrenia is characterized by three symptoms: delusions, hallucinations and hearing voices.

I feel grateful that I only suffered from the delusions, and not the other two. And now I'm on a very small dose of medication that completely eliminates them and keeps me sane and knowing what reality is.

I say all this because I'd be curious to hear more about your nephew's experience. Did he exhibit all three symptoms, or just a one? How old was he when he was diagnosed, and what events led it his likely first hospitalization? Does he take his medication orally or by injection?

Oh, I have so many question, but I'll stop there.

 

[Mike32ct]

75% of adverts in USA and New Zealand are pharmaceutical yikes

At least the US ones are more entertaining because they come with a long list of very scary side effects lol.

 

[Gamisch]

Now we are on a seduction forum talking about mental health I came up with the following theory;

Mental health and love is closely related to each other. The phrase" happy wife happy life " didn't got popular without reason. On the other hand people talking about the danger of the growing number of "incels" . All these things effecting men , and women are the main cause for these men to be either happy or miserable.

A simple LTR can ,gradually, make a sane man go crazy.
-dry spells( nobody wants me)
- insecurities (she is outta my league)
-blind spots( she is spicy but I like that)
- anxiety (is she cheating)
- fights( driving full speed after a big argument)
- break up(arguably the worst, makes man go suicidal at times).
jealousy resentment and vengeance ( I'll kill.her new bf in I must)

Any normal functioning man can go through these stages and come out of it completely broken. And some men , like myself, actually need to go through this it seems. Be broken to get out stronger. But its risky, as there is no garantue you get out of several failed LTR's being stable. Codependency plays a mayor role,and it might take a few bad LTR's to get to know one self.

That's why gentlemen, the redpil SUPPOSED to be a cure. I think being RP is a general view on love and life, simply put, where you DGAF and all the above " deseaes " wont affect you.

I read many posts here where I always recognize the situation, but I also think so much different about it now. Whether it's about a woman not responding or a cheating woman and everything in between.

The moment a man is unable to walk away from a bad woman he should know there are probably deeper thing going on , in his own mind. No sane man should voluntary go through so much heart and head aches.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

75% of adverts in USA and New Zealand are pharmaceutical yikes

This has a lot to do with the societal expectations in wanting an instant fix to a problem. It’s like a guy wanting a list of things to do to get laid.

Just take a pill to make it better - treat the symptom as opposed to the disease, it’s the American way.

 

[Rainman4707]

Szasz writes in 1991. "American psychiatrists quickly closed ranks against me. Official psychiatry dismissed my contention that (mis)behaviours are not diseases by asserting that I "deny the reality that mental diseases are like other diseases" and it distorted my critique of psychiatric slavery as "denying life saving treatment to mental patients". The truth is that I sought to deprive psychiatrists of their power to involuntary hospitalise or treat competent adults called "mental patients" my critics chose to interpret this proposal as my trying to deprive competent adults of their right or oppurtunity to seek or receive psychiatric help.

 

[Rainman4707]

By 1970 I became a non person in American psychiatry. The pages of American psychiatric journals were shut to my work. Soon, the very mention of my name became anathema and was omitted from new editions of texts that had previously featured my views. In short, I became the objective of the most effective of all criticisms, the silent treatment-or as the Germans so aptly call it, totschweigetaktik.
In Britain, my views elicited a more favorable reception. Some English psychiatrists conceded that not all psychiatric diagnoses designate genuine diseases. Others were sympathetic to the plight of persons in psychiatric custody. Regrettably, that posture rested heavily on the misguided patriotic belief that the practice of psychiatric slavery was less common in England than the USA.
Not surprisingly my work was better received by philosophers, psychologists, sociologists, and civil libertarians. They recognised the merit of my challenging the concept of mental illness and the legitimacy of psychiatric coertions and excuses. I thus managed to set in motion a controversy about mental illness that is still raging.