The more self confidence a women has, the lower her value

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Discuss

 

[firstbornunicorn]

Depends.
The most arrogant princess complex chicks I've met was all due to low self confidence. I'll choose a high self confidence chick any time. they're the laid back ones that can laugh at themselves and don't take things personally.

high self confidence due to being hot = foundations of sand. (this would be the equivalent of a dude being confident only because he's rich. There's no character depth).

high self confidence because smart, hard working, at peace with ones self, = better foundations for confidence

 

[Georgepithyou]

Depends.
The most arrogant princess complex chicks I've met was all due to low self confidence. I'll choose a high self confidence chick any time. they're the laid back ones that can laugh at themselves and don't take things personally.

high self confidence due to being hot = foundations of sand. (this would be the equivalent of a dude being confident only because he's rich. There's no character depth).

high self confidence because smart, hard working, at peace with ones self, = better foundations for confidence

That's because they use arrogance as a mask to hide their insecurities. Being arrogant is not rhe same as real confidence.

The best looking girls, and i mean naturally beautiful not cake faces tend to also be some of the nicest girls you will meet.

 

[firstbornunicorn]

That's because they use arrogance as a mask to hide their insecurities. Being arrogant is not rhe same as real confidence.

The best looking girls, and i mean naturally beautiful not cake faces tend to also be some of the nicest girls you will meet.

I could make the argument that it's not a looks thing. It's an attachment/childhood thing. I'm a photographer and have been around many drop-dead gorgeous models at shows. They were the most insecure bunch I've ever met.

 

[bat soup]

That's because they use arrogance as a mask to hide their insecurities. Being arrogant is not rhe same as real confidence.

The best looking girls, and i mean naturally beautiful not cake faces tend to also be some of the nicest girls you will meet.

Confidence in a woman is actually a very unattractive trait.

A woman with a lot of confidence is more like to be bitchy and generally a pain in the ass to deal with.

 

[firstbornunicorn]

Confidence in a woman is actually a very unattractive trait.

A woman with a lot of confidence is more like to be bitchy and generally a pain in the ass to deal with.

The total opposite.

 

[Kotaix]

I've met really pretty women who were very confident and at the same time were genuinely good people.

I think this is also in the eye of the beholder. I can see how men who like submissive women would consider it to lower a woman's value. Personally I prefer a woman to have confidence because I want to have my preconceptions challenged.

I could make the argument that it's not a looks thing. It's an attachment/childhood thing.

There is a lot of truth to this. Real confidence is not looks related.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Confidence in a woman is actually a very unattractive trait.

A woman with a lot of confidence is more like to be bitchy and generally a pain in the ass to deal with.

No, you simply feel threatened by these women.

 

[RangerMIke]

It really all depends on where a person sees their value. Women are really no different than men in this regard.

If a woman sees value in her looks (this is most women but not even close to all) then they are loaded with self-confidence because it's all surface level stuff.

Same is true for men when it comes to looks, money, and status. Men who spend all their free time in a gym working out are among the most insecure people I know. Men who see their money vanish in a heart beat because of some market bear run, frequently just kill themselves. They see their value in their wealth.

We get our confidence from something... when that something is gone... so goes our confidence.

 

[bat soup]

It really all depends on where a person sees their value. Women are really no different than men in this regard.

If a woman sees value in her looks (this is most women but not even close to all) then they are loaded with self-confidence because it's all surface level stuff.

Same is true for men when it comes to looks, money, and status. Men who spend all their free time in a gym working out are among the most insecure people I know. Men who see their money vanish in a heart beat because of some market bear run, frequently just kill themselves. They see their value in their wealth.

We get our confidence from something... when that something is gone... so goes our confidence.

Generally I mean confidence in her looks.

A woman that thinks she's hot (regardless of whether she actually is) tends to be a pain in the ass. They take it as an excuse to be bitchy and entitled. So-called called models are the worst.

I would much prefer a girl that is shy in that regard.

 

[Bigpapa]

Generally I mean confidence in her looks.

A woman that thinks she's hot (regardless of whether she actually is) tends to be a pain in the ass. They take it as an excuse to be bitchy and entitled. So-called called models are the worst.

I would much prefer a girl that is shy in that regard.

usually those who think they are hot and poor or come from a poor family tend to be like
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[bat soup]

usually those who think they are hot and poor or come from a poor family tend to be like
That

True. A woman should be intimidated by a guy she likes, not running her mouth. Slightly shy. Submissive.

 

[Lookatu]

I think it's important to make sure we are all talking about the same thing when we say confidence and not get it mixed up with self-esteem. Two similar but not exactly the same things.

There is often a fine line between being confident and arrogant/being ****y. It's important to be able to distinguish between the two.

 

[RangerMIke]

Generally I mean confidence in her looks.

I agree... women who have their confidence based on their looks are horrible to date.

I just started dating (one date down... another next week) a woman that most of my friends think is ugly. Truth is her face is a bit jacked up, not much symmetry. Not that she is 'bad' looking but one side of her face is a little higher than the other, it's a bit strange but she is by no means Quasimodo. Nice body. But she doesn't get her confidence from her looks, she gets her confidence from her competence in international trade. She is fluent in Mandarin Chinese, lived in China for 6 years, she is funny, and fun to be with... plays about a dozen instruments, and even poking fun at her looks. So as far as looks are concerned, she is definitely a couple of steps down from what I would normally be attracted.

But I like her... and most important she likes me. If we end up being sexually compatible (big test) then I could see this lasting for awhile.

It is MUCH easier to make things work with a woman that isn't super hot.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Nah, this is a reach.

As it pertains to looks, I do agree the sweet spot is to find a 6 or 7.

 

[FuzzX]

So one of the endearing qualities I found with my wife is that she called herself 'so-so' or 'ugly' in reference to her looks when I first met her... She clearly wasn't but she never thought of herself as anything great. I found she was really down to earth because of it and I immediately felt comfortable in her presence. Chicks who think they're hot are a pain in the ass whereas girls who got beat by the ugly stick try harder and I feel have better personalities. Hot girls are coddled by society, pedestalized, and treated better in general. They're always covered in makeup or fake nails and are obsessed with themselves. Look at Korean girls, most of them can't wait to get their first surgery and they never stop at one. I find that guys fall all over themselves to be around a hot chick, even a plastic one, while the ugly chicks takes a back seat and has to really try hard to win a man's affection. I much prefer the ugly girl mentality.

The trick is to make a girl believe she's ugly, I think that's what the purpose of negging is, was it not?
It's like the Elephant who grows up chained to a pole. If you take the pole away as an adult, the Elephant will still remain in the area because that's all they've ever known.

 

[Bingo-Player]

its not so much self confidence its false confidence from false environments like social media

its endemic in modern society and its getting worse not better

pre 2005 some women would have realised their power over men and the game but probably only HB 8's & 9's + , and even then a large proportion wouldn't have understood the extent of it until social media and the simp thirst came along

this changed everything now even HB 6's and 7's and below have had incredible ego inflation

the "like" could end up being the worst thing for humanity since Hitler

i have been re-reading neil strauss book i think was published around 2005 and im thinking although some of the basic principles of attraction still work the execution has become nigh on impossible you could never get away with some of the **** him and mystery were up too in clubs back then

we need someone to rewrite a 2021 version of "rules of the game"

i would but i am only just scrapping by myself atm ......need a year or two back in the field lol anyone want to contribute drop me a message lol

 

[FuzzX]

its not so much self confidence its false confidence from false environments like social media

its endemic in modern society and its getting worse not better

pre 2005 some women would have realised their power over men and the game but probably only HB 8's & 9's + , and even then a large proportion wouldn't have understood the extent of it until social media and the simp thirst came along

this changed everything now even HB 6's and 7's and below have had incredible ego inflation

the "like" could end up being the worst thing for humanity since Hitler

i have been re-reading neil strauss book i think was published around 2005 and im thinking although some of the basic principles of attraction still work the execution has become nigh on impossible you could never get away with some of the **** him and mystery were up too in clubs back then

we need someone to rewrite a 2021 version of "rules of the game"

i would but i am only just scrapping by myself atm ......need a year or two back in the field lol anyone want to contribute drop me a message lol

Here's the 2021 version

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Confidence is masculine energy period

 

[Georgepithyou]

usually those who think they are hot and poor or come from a poor family tend to be like
That

Its always these poor insecure women who wear expensive brand name clothes like gucci and always have designer hand bags. When the goal is to BE RICH not Look Rich