The Mgtow problem

[zekko]

Many states do not have common law, mine included. It's on a per state basis.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Mgtow? this is just the beginning and those graphics uploaded from johnny are only one of the factors.

Now read again the rat utopia experiment, and read the part about female and kids staying separated from males and males not interested in protecting them from other males if attached.

Then read the part about "the beautiful ones", males not engaging females nor social roles but only caring about themselves and their look.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Mgtow? this is just the beginning and those graphics uploaded from johnny are only one of the factors.

Now read again the rat utopia experiment, and read the part about female and kids staying separated from males and males not interested in protecting them from other males if attached.

Then read the part about "the beautiful ones", males not engaging females nor social roles but only caring about themselves and their look.

Its a dangerous precedent to be set and not the best one at that but, when cucking and both state as well as women turn on a man, this is the outcome.

Technically, if you approach this in a David Deida Way if the superior man style, you are a here living at your edge potentially with gf and children but, the highest order in your life being the hero's journey. Its your purpose. Whatever that is to give meaning to your life and resonates beyond both women and world. There's some blokr YouTuber who has a video " chase excellence not women." These messages coincide.

Fashion chief executive who was attacked by 6ft Northern Line tube passenger slams two 'white middle class' men after they walked into next carriage and left her to defend herself

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...middle-class-men-left-attacked-busy-Tube.html

More incidents will follow. You watch. As more men switch off.

Not my girl. Not my problem.


Society continued to demonize man. For all I know, she could be dating and enjoying the violence. I couldn't careless.

Woman kicked man in the head as he lay on ground after calling her a "slag"

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/woman-kicked-man-head-lay-1449236

Glad there was jail time for the skank.

IMHO if you step up like a man, bring a helmet because you will get put down by a man.

 

[Trump]

Women can vote. They have rights but its never enough. Since the 60s its annihilated female happiness and the nuclear family.

My resources are for me. I pick a sports car and luxury vehicle over catering to cratered SMV.

Marriage is over. Its baby rabies once Chad's stop calling.

Screaming misogyny is not an argument.

I won't do it.

I will put top form SMV on smash. Out for #1.

Monogamy is a joke. Marriage is stupidity in 2018.

Wake up. Unplug.

Free thinking goes a long way. Top form has a short shelf life.

Some good points.

Would you have a baby with 18-23 top form virgin?

Would you have a baby with any stable average looking women who didn’t have kids. You get to keep your resources, just pay for baby until 18 and minimal spousal support?

Or no children ever?

 

[R.U.G.]

I think it really needs adressing because this ****s getting out of hand now.

Mgtow is male radical feminism.

It's also COPE.

If you look at all these dudes who preach MGTOW they are all Beta, clueless AFC types. Like i just did a youtube search and one of the dudes looked like an Alien.

Heres the deal, it is the easy way out harbour for the AFC who gets ran through by a typical slutty chick and has two options.

1. Learn game, accept reality that relationships ARE transactional and that you don't "deserve" a hot girl anymore than you "deserve" a porsche etc and that its a by product of hustle, embark on self improvement, take the road to getting where you want to be.

2. "Go mgtow"

Oh wow difficult choice, right?

But heres the thing if you go MGTOW ypu are just living in ****ing la la land feeding yourself radical bull**** that wonen are satans spawn and it could never have been YOUR fault.

Its some lazy, weak BS and the sooner dudes start getting real with themselves the better.

Remember this, relationships are TRANSACTIONAL.

You want a hot girl. That's your side of the deal right, you want good looks, maybe theres some other **** you want too.

Women want... we on this site should all know.... the alpha male.

So if you are on some beta BS, dont be getting mad that you cant get what you want.

Dudes need to stop being entitled, dilusional idiots and claiming women are evil because they got played by some sketchy slut or they cant get a hot girl when they look like paul blart.

GET REAL.

Would you like to know why men are giving up LTRs and marriage? See below. The ones who go off in to the woods and are TFLers, yea, they are out there. However, this alimony and division of property sh!t is real. Only the men who liked your post clearly do not know or have not experienced the penalties of a failed marriage.


https://nypost.com/2018/07/07/nypd-cop-loses-fight-to-keep-pension-from-ex-wife/
https://nypost.com/2017/02/12/surgeon-jumps-from-bridge-after-divorce-from-tv-personality-wife/

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Some good points.

Would you have a baby with 18-23 top form virgin?

I am far too young to consider that.

Would you have a baby with any stable average looking women who didn’t have kids.

Top form SMV is not average. Hell, a 6 is at least cute and fit.

You get to keep your resources, just pay for baby until 18 and minimal spousal support?

Or no children ever?

Its not a game I am playing. Playing house is of no interest at all to me.

It seems novelty at best. Its usually what low hanging fruit do.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Would you like to know why men are giving up LTRs and marriage? See below. The ones who go off in to the woods and are TFLers, yea, they are out there. However, this alimony and division of property sh!t is real. Only the men who liked your post clearly do not know or have not experienced the penalties of a failed marriage.


https://nypost.com/2018/07/07/nypd-cop-loses-fight-to-keep-pension-from-ex-wife/
https://nypost.com/2017/02/12/surgeon-jumps-from-bridge-after-divorce-from-tv-personality-wife/

+1

Nor have I but, I am not stupid enough to swear away my resources both present and future plus sexual access.

Not in the mood means next.

I would rather pay a stripper to swallow me at sixty then allocation of resources to some **** skiing down cawk mountain running off with my children.


Men pay be it an escort or marriage. Its shameful to pursue a sexual transaction only due to society and female biological strategy which pedals beta male shaming as well as manipulation to control men.

Its illegal because it doesn't pander to the feminine imperative. It devalues sexual access.

I am not advocating escorts.

Given the choice, I will pick sugar baby over marrying Chad's booty call.

Both are disgusting. Its female nature that needs to be put into question rather then more demonize man.

 

[Poonani Maker]

Interesting how those "graphs" rather correspond to the econ/stock market. In late 2007, more men getting laid (women desperate), as the econ rises after the crash (with no apparent stoppage - FAKE economy pumped by digital typed in trillions of dollas) more and more women get hired (affirmative action) therefore don't need a man for $$$ (don't need to sell themselves...for now). Pretty interesting the Dire problems for women 2007 through 2010 and even 2011. Now, alls well in the princesses' worlds.

 

[Infern0]

Would you like to know why men are giving up LTRs and marriage? See below. The ones who go off in to the woods and are TFLers, yea, they are out there. However, this alimony and division of property sh!t is real. Only the men who liked your post clearly do not know or have not experienced the penalties of a failed marriage.


https://nypost.com/2018/07/07/nypd-cop-loses-fight-to-keep-pension-from-ex-wife/
https://nypost.com/2017/02/12/surgeon-jumps-from-bridge-after-divorce-from-tv-personality-wife/

It's not their fault they weren't dumb enough to sprint down the aisle with some sketchy *****.

You get married you sign a contract

You sign

You

Take responsibility

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

GET REAL.

I been real.

 

[Trainwreck]

Well personally I think it's just a matter of labeling but it's all part of the same spectrum:

MGTOW
- guys who are burned out by bad women or bad laws that have ruined them.
- guys who have only very poor options in dating and don't think it's worth the effort for such lowgrade women.
- guys who are fed up of trying and give up but want to still feel like it's their choice.

Incel
- guys who have nearly zero options and think it's not worth the effort.
- guys who have zero options completely and recognize it's not their choice.

In almost all cases the guys are not at the top of the SMV ladder. This is to be expected since if you were top SMV everything with women becomes super easy.

The fact is it's getting harder and harder for average or below average men to get women every day. >30% of American Indian/Chinese guys haven't even had sex in the past year. This is triple the rate of 20 years ago, and still rising exponentially.

So what do you do after you spend 4 years in school to become an engineer, get a job, buy some nice clothes, get a haircut, hit the gym, and make an OLD profile, only to find the only options are whales? A lot of guys will just buy a new video game system or get into a hobby and watch porn.

OLD, social media, and gender shifts in school/work have enhanced and focussed female hypergamy to almost hilarious levels. Guys are getting cut out of the dating market in massive and rising numbers every year.

What these guys will tend to call themselves - MGTOW, incel, whatever - it doesn't matter. It will just keep growing every year because this is how female sexuality works when it is completely unchained.

Look at the trend lines and tell me what YOU see. It's only going to get worse.

This is a solid gold post. The dating game is basically the "female game" because it is pretty much made for them. If you are not a 8.5-10/10 male then you are basically screwed in the dating game. Hypergamy allows women to only screw around in the top 10% of men. Furthermore, a single woman is completely different than a single man. A single man is most likely a dude that is not in a committed relationship and is actively looking for sex or a relationship. There's possible a chance this guy is in a dry spell or maybe getting action once or twice every 2 months. A single woman is most likely a woman that is emotionally unavailable because she is on and off with her ex, or she is riding around the Chad Carousel somewhere. The only options a single man has is to be in some healthy social circle that provides access to emotionally available single women which is a pretty far shot if your not already in one in the first place. In addition, social circle game has a lot of cons too which is how men turn in to beta men that get their balls taken from their wives. Last, women will pump and dump Chad for a better Chad, so even Chad does not win in this game. In conclusion, why the hell should I waste my precious time, resources, and mental health on some skewed game stacked against me? This is why I chose the path of Mgtow.

 

[Poonani Maker]

The graph Johnny shows matches My experience. I can honestly and without a doubt say that the quality of po0n was getting in 2010 to 2012 was much better than it is now. Could be cause I was in my early 30s then, but I'd like to think it was related to the job market being cratered after 2008 with tens of millions laid off. Now, all's pink fairies and roses, tulips and sea breeze, the smell of undeserved income.

 

[jaygreenb]

I used to only think of MGTOW as angry losers who couldn't get laid but have come to learn it is a large spectrum. At this point in my life I am living my own version of that. I will still sleep with women and have them for companionship for a few hours if I need to scratch that itch. However, I will put very minimal time, resources and effort to attracting and maintaining them. I would rather all those efforts be put towards myself and my own goals. I have built a great life for myself both personally and financially and have come to the conclusion that having a relationship very rarely added to that. I may change my mind at some point but for now it is what makes me happiest. My goal of complete financial and location independence in the next few years is what is most important to me.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I used to only think of MGTOW as angry losers who couldn't get laid but have come to learn it is a large spectrum. At this point in my life I am living my own version of that. I will still sleep with women and have them for companionship for a few hours if I need to scratch that itch. However, I will put very minimal time, resources and effort to attracting and maintaining them. I would rather all those efforts be put towards myself and my own goals. I have built a great life for myself both personally and financially and have come to the conclusion that having a relationship very rarely added to that. I may change my mind at some point but for now it is what makes me happiest. My goal of complete financial and location independence in the next few years is what is most important to me.

So it make more sense to keep one or two around that u fvck. Versus endless pursing.

 

[AJ84]

I'm not sure what part of "I didn't pay one penny for a lawyer" you didn't understand.



I know a great deal about it because my ex thought she had exactly that case against me. She understood it most likely the way you think you do. But I've done my research and I went into the courts to challenge it. Just Google "Common Law abolished" to read up on how much of a relic this law really is, how many states have abolished it and how difficult it is to enforce and establish in court even in cases where the law currently remains on the books. Having talked extensively with men who went through the ringer of divorce courts, alimony and child support, I was already well prepared for these sorts of issues long before I even met my ex. I intentionally established everything on my terms. There were no legal documents, bills...nothing in which connected her and I. Everything was under my name. The only document that exists on the planet in which both of our names appear on is my kid's birth certificate. Nothing else. Not even a phone bill. I did all of this because I knew. I beat it without a lawyer because I did my research and prepared accordingly.

In fact, I did so well that, had my ex not passed away last year, I could be collecting child support from HER. For you to sit here and call me a cuck who did it all wrong is laughable.

What experience or knowledge do you possess on it, other than the chatter you've read on web forums? "Common law" is a legal term used to describe non-legally binding courtships in which both parties involved actually have to appeal to the courts to have the courtship legally recognized by the state. That's a little hard to do when one party has no intentions of cooperating to have a courtship that is not legally recognized be legally recognized.

If you want to talk down your nose to me on this, you better do your own research. Because I most definitely did mine.



I pandered to no one. You seem to have this preconceived stereotype in your head in which I was suckered in with a surprise pregnancy into some life in which I was driving around in a minivan being emasculated by a fat ungrateful b*tch with a screaming baby. lol.

I was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer which was complicated by pneumonia which had me on life support for a week. I was left too weak to walk through my cancer treatments. I had a lot of time to lay in a hospital bed, which could have very well been my death bed, to wonder what I would do with my life if I somehow survived.

It was then I decided that I wanted to have a kid before I left this world. It was a decision I had made based on my own personal desire. It had nothing to with falling in love, getting married or living the traditional "house playing" role you seem to envision. For me, this was strictly business and was pursued entirely on my terms with all legal considerations in mind.

I kept my luxury car. I hired a nanny to do the dirty work so I can lay poolside and get my nights out with the boys. In fact, many of the issues which lead to this "blowing up in my face" was due to my resistance to fall into that "female biological strategy" picture of me that you have painted into your head. When I decided it was over, it was over. Clean cut. No consequences. No regrets.


I don't know what MGTOW is to you. Seems your definition of it refines a man to purely sex and nothing more with women. Something that does not appeal to incels who cant get laid. Something that does not appeal to men who evolve beyond a piece of ass and would like more for themselves. Something that is irrelevant to men who already live that lifestyle.

But to me it is simple: a man who pursues his interests and desires on his own terms without falling into the societal and legal traps that are stacked against and unfavorable to men, which was precisely what I've done.

If anything, I am a successful, living example of what MGTOW should really be, regardless of what a man might want and desire in his life. If a man wants to be 60 years old with gold chains on his neck still trying to game 22 year olds in nightclubs, I'll refer them to you.

Just another person who thinks he's the expert on stuff he has no experience with except for the 100s of YouTube clips he watches and references along with Tom Cruise images over and over.....

 

[guru1000]

MGTOW is a self-rationalization for men's failed efforts with women. Unfortunately for many, the philosophies thrown around here such as crated SMV, hypergamy, the female imperative (lmao at that one), inter alia, are just the regurgitated material brought by the grandfathers of the Manosphere who also failed with women.

Much of what you read around here is crap.

DJs need not follow rules or theories to get women. Men need to understand only three truths: 1) Get your looks up; 2) Get your social acuity up; (3) Have self-respect. That's it.

 

[R.U.G.]

It's not their fault they weren't dumb enough to sprint down the aisle with some sketchy *****.

You get married you sign a contract

You sign

You

Take responsibility

Whatever you say.

 

[JonnyX]

You need to step away from graphs and charts. You look at them too subjectively; you essentially take what you want to see from them, then use it to push/justify your own perceptions.

I will prove this right now.

The following quote is the basic summation of what you are drawing from the chart above. You see a growing trend of men not having sex. You write on the forum to repetitively drill this belief and ascribe it to the unhinging of women:



Here is another graph which includes the same GSS study you have cited, which also includes two other independent studies along with it. The two other studies actually show the opposite of what you're claiming from the cherry-picked graph you decided to show all of us here.

The NSFG and NHANES studies have concluded that the number of sexless men has been trending downwards during the period in which the GSS study shows a very dramatic increase.

Obviously they cannot both be correct.

Not only does this conflicting data poke a big hole in your theory that more and more men are opting out of dating and sex, but the two other independent studies each confirm the other's findings of a downtrend.

The GSS data is a complete oddity with no independent verification at all.

You're a smart guy, right? Which one do you think is more likely to be accurate?

You're looking for yourself in all of those bars and lines...….

From that exact same site you quoted:

The trend in the total male population aged 22-35 made up of these sexless men is changing. All sources, including the NSFG and NHANES, show the latest values to be higher than values estimated around 2000-2005. In other words, the share of the male population aged 22-35 who have never been married and haven’t had sex in at least a year is almost certainly higher than it was a decade or two ago. The exact trend, as well as whether this figure is still rising or not, is much more debatable, but the very broad outcome of higher sexlessness today than a decade ago is indisputable.

The graph you posted was for "sexless men" on the NHANES and NSFG, which is not defined, but I presume it means "virgin". That is a different thing than "not having any sex in the past year" which is what the above graph shows and all three surveys coincide in showing this is increasing from a decade ago.

I don't know why the GSS shows such a strong trend compared to the others. As far as I know the GSS is the only one that breaks it down by race, and when you look at the GSS, the trend is massive for nonwhite/nonblack men.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Someone really needs to save the biebz.

In before she takes his quarter billion.

 

[R.U.G.]

Simply put. Life is what you make out of it.