The Matrix- illustrated via video!

[Aenigma]

Curtosey of JC Penny we have a video illustration of what the Matrix is! This fine video shows the mentalites, perpetuated in our soceity, that aspiring DJs need to avoid at all costs; namely:

1. Women in control of the relationship/life
2. Men doing all to appease women to keep them happy
3. The happiness of women being more important then the happiness of men
4. That men are suppose to intrinsically know what makes women happy
5. That men aren't suppose to be masculine and are bad if they do. (listen to the voices in the background in the "doghouse")
6. That its wrong to criticize or expect anything of women- men who do are "wrong" and deserve punishment

I'm sure there's more.... anyway here it is!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F2md4uGmMU



Anyway- after viewing it, I'm wondering if the a bit of paradoy was slipped into the video, under the radar- so to speak, with the intention of showing women to be controlling, nagging, fat, lazy, shallow, spoiled materialistic biitches. I might just be reading into the video a bit much, and it may be a be a true representation of the matrix, but the criticism of the women did seem sarcastically over the top at points. :yes:

 

[STR8UP]

"Dual bag....this is the best vacuum cleaner you'll ever have babe!"

"Every man in the dog house thinks he's innocent. Isn't that right boys?" [laughter] "And dual bag doesn't know why he's here!" [more laughter]

"That's Oscar. He's been here so long, he's plain lost his mind. Legend has it, he gave his wife a mustache waxer during the holidays" Oscar says in a crazy voice "What is that on your lip"....LOL

'More of this (using the thigh master) and less of this (eating whatever)....hahahahahaha.....

You hear the woman's voice in the background brainwashing them "Stop checking out other women in restaurants"

I think it's poking as much fun at women as men. I liked it. Maybe I should do some vids like this.

Gifts are soooooo fukkiing feminine. Cvnts should be happy a man even remembers their anniversary.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

I understand it's a parody, but if I reversed the roles, took my woman to a doghouse and expected her to appease me in a commercial I'd be hung from the highest flagpole.

Lets see, I could have a wife/GF give a guy some lame Bed, Bath & Beyond gift as an anniversary present. Then he could march her out to the dog house, on all fours of course, she could fall down a long pit and into a strip club where the nice strippers with big t!ts would humiliate her and teach her never to give gifts like BB&B, but rather to wear sexy lingerie, learn to pole dance, give good head and make a decent martini to show her appreciation for her man that busts his ass everyday to keep the lights in the house on. Then at the end she could saunter up to him in some lace bustier, stockings and garter belt, hand him a ****tail and say "happy anniversary babe" as she goes down on him right as the commercial ends.

How do you think that'd go over? JC Penny sells lingerie too,...

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

you guys sure are getting bent out of shape over a jewlery commercial.

do you know why they make commercials like this? because they work. They are not the cause of the matrix but an advertisers best guess as what will get the best response, and I suspect that this commercial will work quite well in teaching the vast majority of beta males on proper gift buying.

I suppose how you respond to this is up to you, but does whining and ringing your hands (and disguising it as 'calling it like it is') about some imagined response to the hypothetical reversing of roles really do you any good?

Which is more beta, allowing yourself to be in that situation, or blaming some imaginary feminine conspiracy matrix for setting up reality different than you wish it was like?

Who would you rather pedastalize, your wife, and follow her to the dog house, or feminine culture in general for coming up with such an overpowering "matrix" the you are somehow forced to live in?

I suppose it's easy to blame an invisible matrix for your percieved lack of power and choice, but does that really help you? Does it make your life any more fulfilling and enjoyable?

At any rate, I appreciate the heads up for the link, as I thought it was pretty funny and clever. I think commercials are some of the best sources of entertainment because the adverstisers are forced to make witty entertaining points in a very short time.

 

[STR8UP]

I understand it's a parody, but if I reversed the roles, took my woman to a doghouse and expected her to appease me in a commercial I'd be hung from the highest flagpole.

Lets see, I could have a wife/GF give a guy some lame Bed, Bath & Beyond gift as an anniversary present. Then he could march her out to the dog house, on all fours of course, she could fall down a long pit and into a strip club where the nice strippers with big t!ts would humiliate her and teach her never to give gifts like BB&B, but rather to wear sexy lingerie, learn to pole dance, give good head and make a decent martini to show her appreciation for her man that busts his ass everyday to keep the lights in the house on. Then at the end she could saunter up to him in some lace bustier, stockings and garter belt, hand him a ****tail and say "happy anniversary babe" as she goes down on him right as the commercial ends.

How do you think that'd go over? JC Penny sells lingerie too,...

I don't know if you have seen any of my t.v. commercials Rollo, but I'm no stranger to pushing buttons. Even had one of the head honchos at the cable company (a woman...who coulda guessed!) try to "censor" us. They had meetings and everything! How awesome is that!

Anyway, if I ever did get some time on my hands I think it would be great fun to do EXACTLY what you proposed. Make youtube commercials that get women and pu$$ified men's panties in a wad.

No such thing as bad publicity, eh? I'm sure it could drive traffic to soem kind of website that could make money somehow.

 

[jafyk]

I understand it's a parody, but if I reversed the roles, took my woman to a doghouse and expected her to appease me in a commercial I'd be hung from the highest flagpole.

Lets see, I could have a wife/GF give a guy some lame Bed, Bath & Beyond gift as an anniversary present. Then he could march her out to the dog house, on all fours of course, she could fall down a long pit and into a strip club where the nice strippers with big t!ts would humiliate her and teach her never to give gifts like BB&B, but rather to wear sexy lingerie, learn to pole dance, give good head and make a decent martini to show her appreciation for her man that busts his ass everyday to keep the lights in the house on. Then at the end she could saunter up to him in some lace bustier, stockings and garter belt, hand him a ****tail and say "happy anniversary babe" as she goes down on him right as the commercial ends.

How do you think that'd go over? JC Penny sells lingerie too,...

Ah Rollo I love you man, you're so funny and full of insightssometimes. Well, we all know we'd be labelled as chauvinist pigs. I was in class a last week and this girl was giving a presentation on feminism and asked us what we thought. A guy gave " I think it's good" answer. I really wanted to say how I felt about feminism but I just held my peace. At the end of the day free speech isn't free after all. The upside to feminism though is that it's made women useful in terms of social interactions etc but the downside is this entitlement they feel to everything. The annoying thing about it is women almost starting to become man (playing men's sports, driving semi trucks). It seems like along the way they lost focus. Men and women are different and can be equal in some ways. The idea of a woman becoming more manly to assume equality just grosses me out. Anyway, back to that ad. Are we saying that we shouldn't get our women gifts? When I saw the double bag vacuum cleaner gift in the ad. It just doesn't make sense as a gift. If your wife buys you dishes and says it's a gift would it make sense considering that everyone in the house is gonna be using that gift? On the other hand it doesn't mean that all practical gifts are bad. Women seem to hate practical gifts. I guess if the gift is not glittering or lingerie it's not good enough.

 

[STR8UP]

On the other hand it doesn't mean that all practical gifts are bad. Women seem to hate practical gifts. I guess if the gift is not glittering or lingerie it's not good enough.

That pretty much sums it up.

Women feed this consumerist society we live in. Do you think men give a crap about diamonds and flatware and shoes? Sure, men like their big screen t.v.'s adn cars and boats and such, but what could be MORE superfluous than a Gucci handbag or the sh!t dog that fits inside of it?

 

[Atom Smasher]

Ah Rollo I love you man, you're so funny and full of insightssometimes. Well, we all know we'd be labelled as chauvinist pigs. I was in class a last week and this girl was giving a presentation on feminism and asked us what we thought. A guy gave " I think it's good" answer. I really wanted to say how I felt about feminism but I just held my peace. At the end of the day free speech isn't free after all. The upside to feminism though is that it's made women useful in terms of social interactions etc but the downside is this entitlement they feel to everything. The annoying thing about it is women almost starting to become man (playing men's sports, driving semi trucks). It seems like along the way they lost focus. Men and women are different and can be equal in some ways. The idea of a woman becoming more manly to assume equality just grosses me out. Anyway, back to that ad. Are we saying that we shouldn't get our women gifts? When I saw the double bag vacuum cleaner gift in the ad. It just doesn't make sense as a gift. If your wife buys you dishes and says it's a gift would it make sense considering that everyone in the house is gonna be using that gift? On the other hand it doesn't mean that all practical gifts are bad. Women seem to hate practical gifts. I guess if the gift is not glittering or lingerie it's not good enough.

jafk,

Your deciding NOT to challenge this femminist in class is exactly the reason they have gained the foothold they now enjoy. Why would you not see the need for us to challenge femminism at every opportunity? Too much "cost" for you?

You're right. Free speech isn't free. The only way for things to change is for us to make a stand and pay the price. That's the true essence of being a man.

 

[The Bat]

To guys who are saying, "Stop blaming the matrix"....hear me out...

I'm sure majority of us DON'T just sit there and blame the matrix. In fact, many of us have figured out a way around the matrix and are successfully living a DJ life, married or not.

But watching commercials like this just kills me a little bit because I know for a fact that for every 1 DJ like you and I being disgusted at a commercial like this, there are at least 10 AFCs out there who are believing this non-sense. And obviously, women are more than happy that self-empowering commercials like this are being aired by a major retailer.

Imagine how miserable those AFCs, who buy into this $hit, are after being mistreated and misinformed like the ones in the commercial. Funny or not, I felt actually bad for those actors, because you know that, more often than not, they are portraying or are based on a real life person.

I'm not going to sit here and blame the matrix just for the sake of complaining. I'm going to sit here and blame the matrix so that the miserable existence of males all over the world (oh you better believe it, there are AFCs in eastern cultures too) can be justified.

But as always, Rollo killed it with his re-make idea. :crackup:

 

[puma183]

That AFC majority that falls into line with commercials like this is also the majority that votes the gynocrats back into office time after time. And you wonder how laws like No Fault Alimony get drafted, approved, and kept. Gynocrats are the keepers and defenders of the Matrix. They entered this unholy alliance with the feminists who drafted these laws, as this alliance ensures buying of the female vote, and keeping them in office indefinitely.

 

[jafyk]

jafk,

Your deciding NOT to challenge this femminist in class is exactly the reason they have gained the foothold they now enjoy. Why would you not see the need for us to challenge femminism at every opportunity? Too much "cost" for you?

You're right. Free speech isn't free. The only way for things to change is for us to make a stand and pay the price. That's the true essence of being a man.

Ouch! Ouch! Ouch! Well, in a way you're right. I'm not the only one. How many guys do you know will put themselves in that situation to start arguing with a majority group of women over a topic them esteem so highly.1) I didn't want to come across as being sexist (2) There wouldn't have been enough time to state my case (3) You know when girls think you're sexist and what not and how they can proceed to give you a bad name to other girls. I was looking out for my future pick up goals, lol. Funny enough I ran into a girl from that class 2 nights ago at the club and she gave me her #. Men, you're right about what you said all the same. It's why I really avoid going to visit one of my aunties unless my cousins are around because I don't feel like I can be myself around her and it's worse when she and my mom and her other sisters get together. You start to hear some feminist ideas slip out of them and it would be folly to challenge them. Especially because in the African culture (which I'm from) that would be seen as rude.

 

[Feek]

Ouch! Ouch! Ouch! Well, in a way you're right. I'm not the only one. How many guys do you know will put themselves in that situation to start arguing with a majority group of women over a topic them esteem so highly.1) I didn't want to come across as being sexist (2) There wouldn't have been enough time to state my case (3) You know when girls think you're sexist and what not and how they can proceed to give you a bad name to other girls. I was looking out for my future pick up goals, lol. Funny enough I ran into a girl from that class 2 nights ago at the club and she gave me her #. Men, you're right about what you said all the same. It's why I really avoid going to visit one of my aunties unless my cousins are around because I don't feel like I can be myself around her and it's worse when she and my mom and her other sisters get together. You start to hear some feminist ideas slip out of them and it would be folly to challenge them. Especially because in the African culture (which I'm from) that would be seen as rude.

I can't speak to the conditioning you get in the African culture because I'm an American, but I think I would explode if I didn't get to speak my mind on something like this. When I'm challenging a woman on a double standard or a ridiculous feminist ideal or what have you, I speak from the heart and a place of truth. If there are women who think that's sexist, then so be it, I don't want to be with them anyway. If they tell their friends, and those friends choose to believe them without finding out for themselves, I honestly don't want to be with them either. There are too many women in the world to get hung up on a few just because they have proximity.

In my experience, though, most women will listen, and while I may not always persuade them to my way of thinking, they will at least respect you for having your own thoughts on the matter and the courage to challenge someone based on them. I'm not including the ravenous, out-for-blood type of feminist because more often than not, the simple fact that I'm a man means there can be nothing good coming out of my mouth unless it's "Yes, ma'am. Whatever you say, ma'am." With them, I tend to go into ***-hole mode and tweak them until they're ready to hit me (it's a shortcoming of mine).

As for the commercial itself, I thought it was freakin' hilarious. I don't know what "being in the doghouse" is like because I don't allow myself to be put there. What a humiliating experience it must be... When we were younger and my wife and I got into big fights, my position was that I have as much right to sleep in the bed as she does, so she can go sleep on the couch if she doesn't want to be in the same bed as me. It has happened a few times. On the gift front, in the 10 years we've been together, I can probably count the number of times I've bought my wife a present, but honestly I feel real bad about that. Of course, when I do, it's never a practical present unless there's some sort of special circumstances. I mean, who wants to get a pad of paper for Christmas?

 

[Atom Smasher]

Ouch! Ouch! Ouch! Well, in a way you're right. I'm not the only one. How many guys do you know will put themselves in that situation to start arguing with a majority group of women over a topic them esteem so highly.1) I didn't want to come across as being sexist (2) There wouldn't have been enough time to state my case (3) You know when girls think you're sexist and what not and how they can proceed to give you a bad name to other girls. I was looking out for my future pick up goals, lol. Funny enough I ran into a girl from that class 2 nights ago at the club and she gave me her #. Men, you're right about what you said all the same. It's why I really avoid going to visit one of my aunties unless my cousins are around because I don't feel like I can be myself around her and it's worse when she and my mom and her other sisters get together. You start to hear some feminist ideas slip out of them and it would be folly to challenge them. Especially because in the African culture (which I'm from) that would be seen as rude.

Here's the deal, though... YOU have to set the frame. You are not able to yet, I can tell, by the way you said, "I didn't want to come across as being sexist". Please consider this: When you challenge these confused femminists, more often than not you garner RESPECT from them. If you had challenged them, you would have noticed in the ensuing days that some of them would be staring at you in a trance-like state out of the corner of your eye.

That is because deep down inside they KNOW that they are confused and they FELT you correcting their confusion. It felt really good to them, even though on the surface they felt angry. They now stare at you because they NEVER heard or "felt" a man stand up to them before, and deep down they admire that.

Trust me, my man, I have turned many a femminist against femminism. True, I have a knack for that, but we can all learn to do it if we stop feeding off of their energy and start setting a frame of confidence in our beliefs. Challenging these confused girls will garner their respect and, much more importantly, will cause you to respect yourself.

 

[jafyk]

I agree with most of this. The only way to beat the feminist structure is to get men to be men, not to argue with hordes of women.

As far as being rude, I've come to terms that I'm entitled to my opinion too. If others think thats rude, in ANY culture, well to hell with them. I am a culture unto myself.

"I am a culture unto myself" I like that. Sounds like something a close friend of mine back home would say. By the way is there a book on your culture? lol.

 

[jafyk]

I can't speak to the conditioning you get in the African culture because I'm an American, but I think I would explode if I didn't get to speak my mind on something like this. When I'm challenging a woman on a double standard or a ridiculous feminist ideal or what have you, I speak from the heart and a place of truth. If there are women who think that's sexist, then so be it, I don't want to be with them anyway. If they tell their friends, and those friends choose to believe them without finding out for themselves, I honestly don't want to be with them either. There are too many women in the world to get hung up on a few just because they have proximity.

In my experience, though, most women will listen, and while I may not always persuade them to my way of thinking, they will at least respect you for having your own thoughts on the matter and the courage to challenge someone based on them. I'm not including the ravenous, out-for-blood type of feminist because more often than not, the simple fact that I'm a man means there can be nothing good coming out of my mouth unless it's "Yes, ma'am. Whatever you say, ma'am." With them, I tend to go into ***-hole mode and tweak them until they're ready to hit me (it's a shortcoming of mine).

I am feeling you on what you're saying but have you ever tried to present your case with a bunch of women with the same mindset over anything. Do you know how that turns out. I've had the feminist discussion with a female on a one on one basis and it turned out fine. Infact she started to ask me if I thought she was feminist (I guess she meant in the negative sense) and we had a meaningful discussion that we never got to finish. The upside to feminism from my POV is that it has made women more sociable and also realized that they should just passively sit by and watch and that they can contribute. I once asked a female friend if she had any dreams and all she could tell me was that she wanted to marry and raise a child. Not that there's anything wrong with that but most times it assumed most women will end up like that anyway. Then you have women who think that the best they can offer is to cook and clean (You find a lot of this among African cultures but it's changing) Well, the down side is women trying to become more like men (eew).That may also explain a lot of problems we have with meeting women today. The mindset that they are God's gift to men etc.
You are the man! Do you know how much this pisses me off when I hear a woman saying she will send her man to the dog house and he just stays there and either agrees or smiles. I think this is unimaginable in the African culture. That woman would have to move out the day she made such a suggestion, lol.Yep, what you said in your situation is what I expect any other
guy to do.

 

[jafyk]

Here's the deal, though... YOU have to set the frame. You are not able to yet, I can tell, by the way you said, "I didn't want to come across as being sexist". Please consider this: When you challenge these confused femminists, more often than not you garner RESPECT from them. If you had challenged them, you would have noticed in the ensuing days that some of them would be staring at you in a trance-like state out of the corner of your eye.

That is because deep down inside they KNOW that they are confused and they FELT you correcting their confusion. It felt really good to them, even though on the surface they felt angry. They now stare at you because they NEVER heard or "felt" a man stand up to them before, and deep down they admire that.

Trust me, my man, I have turned many a femminist against femminism. True, I have a knack for that, but we can all learn to do it if we stop feeding off of their energy and start setting a frame of confidence in our beliefs. Challenging these confused girls will garner their respect and, much more importantly, will cause you to respect yourself.

I do appreciate you guys' input. It's very insightful. Does anyone know how to break up quotes in order to respond to certain sections of a previous post.

 

[STR8UP]

I do appreciate you guys' input. It's very insightful. Does anyone know how to break up quotes in order to respond to certain sections of a previous post.

The easiest way is to highlight the text you want to quote and hit the fourth button from the right on the bottom of the control panel at the top of the text field.

 

[Nutz]

Curtosey of JC Penny we have a video illustration of what the Matrix is! This fine video shows the mentalites, perpetuated in our soceity, that aspiring DJs need to avoid at all costs; namely:

1. Women in control of the relationship/life
2. Men doing all to appease women to keep them happy
3. The happiness of women being more important then the happiness of men
4. That men are suppose to intrinsically know what makes women happy
5. That men aren't suppose to be masculine and are bad if they do. (listen to the voices in the background in the "doghouse")
6. That its wrong to criticize or expect anything of women- men who do are "wrong" and deserve punishment

I'm sure there's more.... anyway here it is!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F2md4uGmMU



Anyway- after viewing it, I'm wondering if the a bit of paradoy was slipped into the video, under the radar- so to speak, with the intention of showing women to be controlling, nagging, fat, lazy, shallow, spoiled materialistic biitches. I might just be reading into the video a bit much, and it may be a be a true representation of the matrix, but the criticism of the women did seem sarcastically over the top at points. :yes:

Wow, that was just about the most sexist thing I've ever seen. Needless to say I'll be staying away from JCP for a while.

 

[Feek]

I am feeling you on what you're saying but have you ever tried to present your case with a bunch of women with the same mindset over anything. Do you know how that turns out.

I have 3 sisters, 2 mothers, 12 of my peer-aged cousins are female, and because I was raised by my stepmother, during the summer it would be non-stop women coming and going with visits all over the place. I definitely know what it's like to present an unpopular case to a bunch of like-minded women. Maybe that's an advantage I had growing up, but I also get real energized when discussing something - anything - with a group of people and feeling everyone looking and listening to me. I really do work best one-on-one, but like a grunt out on the battlefield, knowing I have to battle against those return salvos to make my point gets me pumped.

Yes, it's difficult, especially with the way that women can gang up on you. The only thing I can say is know what your point is and present it in the most honest way possible. To help, you might want to check out Gerry Spence's "How to Argue and Win Every Time," but make sure you get the audio CD version because the guy is a total trip to listen to. The man is as eloquent as fine china, and the way he growls out every word makes you hungry for just one more.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Remember, for every 'double standard' (a term that women think they own) there is for a woman, there's another for a man. 9 times out of 10, all you have to do is reverse the situation's gender roles.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=108317

This was a fun example, but in all seriousness, ads like this, sitcoms, music, movies, art, etc. perpetuate this negative masculinity. What's truly insidious about it is that in drawing attention to it, you become less of a man. Just the perception of complaining is decidedly unmasculine.