The male sense of entitlement

[backbreaker]

I know a guy who introduced me to a guy a while back, as the guy knew i ran / own a web development company and I am always looking or on the look for talent. The guy was out of work and he wanted me/us to program his design he had created for his site.

In the meantime, he kept yaping at me that if he needed any design work that he was ready to work and his designs for his own site actually weren't horrible. A tad bit on the plain side but pretty professional. My normal graphic guy is on vacation this week so I said you know what, i'm going to throw this guy a bone. So I send him a job and he gets right on it, sends me a pretty bland graphic design.. i mean it's not ugly at all but it's nothing that i would pay for, then sends me a $800 dollar invoice lol. I paid it because he earned his keep but that is the last time i will send him anything. I'm Ont paying 800 dollars for generic work.

It got me to thinking, this guy, went to grahpic design school, and he feels that because he went to school he is entitled to make a certain living, even though his work is not work that one would pay for, hence why he is out of a job lol. his pay requirements are not up to par with his design ability. He isn't bad at all but he's not $800 dollar good. Had he charged me $250-300 dollars okay. Even worse it only took him about 7 hours to do so he's charging me like $115 an hour.

This, IMHO, is the males main problem when it comes to the opposite sex. It's not being a chump, it's not being an AFC, it's not caling too much, it's not buying to omuch, it's that men for some reason, think they are entitled to grade a ***** for no other reason than they are males.


Just because you are here and are a male human being, does not mean **** in the grand scheme of things. Instead of working on themselves and becoming a better catch or developing better game, they would rather ***** about how women will not act right. And women have their issues, i'm not saying they don't, but men are just as bad.

You have to think about ***** just like you think about capitalism. You aren't entitled to a blow job no more than you are entitled to a 50k a year job.

instead of building up his portfolio, becoming better at his craft, he would rather go jobless and ***** about no one hiring. that's most men when it comes to women.

You have to become a man that women want to have sex with. It's not something you are born with the right to have.

 

[st_99]

There are so many idiots out there that are bad at their job and still make a lot of money in the corporate world. Not all, but a lot. I think it has to do with a shortage of talented people.

 

[Slickster]

The problem is that there are too many people who suck at their jobs and still get paid too much. As well there are too many losers who somehow get together with great women.

The lazy ass men who see this think that they are entitled as well.

You are totally correct BB. It's just the way it is, it seems.

 

[sstype]

Generally you're right. I think that, ironically, the DJ bible tends to foster this entitlement attitude. You're "The Prize" according to Sosuave. Step into the real world and if women aren't giving you their numbers unsolicited or propositioning you for sex, then sorry you are not "The Prize," at least no more than anyone else is.

My problem was deluding myself thinking that I could live the playboy lifestyle even though I'm college educated, decent shape, laid back personality, and work a standard 9-5 corporate desk job making 50k a year.

At my current station, I could probably land myself an attractive good girl looking for an LTR. I've been told many times I'm boyfriend, not hookup, material. Whoopee.

I'm not the tattooed up hip-hop thug, buff personal trainer, hot bartender guy, uber-rich jet-setter, prison convict, Jersey shore meathead, club promoter, etc...I just don't offer that kind of excitement that make a swath of women throw their panties at me.

I'm striving to make myself exceptional by getting ripped/built and increasing my wealth, but know that in the meantime, the reality is I won't appeal to the vast majority of women because I don't have much to offer relatively speaking.

 

[AW1983]

I think that, ironically, the DJ bible tends to foster this entitlement attitude.

Haha, I was thinking exactly that too. Isn't a lot of introductory Game just teaching guys to emulate the mannerisms of more successful men (whether it be success with women, money, fame, whatever). AM, C/F, Aloofness. If you've got nothing backing it up in life(not just money, but personality/goals/PURPOSE) then maybe you'll get some ONS's but eventually whomever may end up seeing through the facade. My two cents.

 

[sstype]

Haha, I was thinking exactly that too. Isn't a lot of introductory Game just teaching guys to emulate the mannerisms of more successful men (whether it be success with women, money, fame, whatever). AM, C/F, Aloofness. If you've got nothing backing it up in life(not just money, but personality/goals/PURPOSE) then maybe you'll get some ONS's but eventually whomever may end up seeing through the facade. My two cents.

Cosign this.

It's best to have the prize mentality, but you need to manifest it into tangible value (money, looks, status), if you want the most desirable women.

Being a prize means you don't sell yourself short and you constantly strive to be better than the other guy. You ensure that you are the top pick in a woman's mind, not a convenient placeholder until something better comes along.

 

[hansol]

Backbreaker,

That's an interesting point you bring up. I see it a lot in my peers, specifically those of a "company man" mentality (as opposed to the "self-employed" mentality as was touched on in one of Warrior's previous threads.) It seems that from what I'm seeing these days, recent university grads seem to think that because they have a four year degree and can get out of bed in the morning it entitles them to a $100k+ gig.

It's mind-blowing to me as a business owner that these guys can't make the connection between hard work and talent, and how that equates to value for a company, and how that begets high wages. Apparently these guys have somehow connected the dots that education = money. Certainly education is possibly a foot in the door, but if you can't produce, you're no good to the business. Self-employed guys get that because if they don't produce results, they don't get paid. The guys who don't make the cut starve to death, metaphorically speaking.

There was a good saying I heard once: The company man says "Pay me more and I'll produce results."; the business man says "Produce results and I'll pay you more."

I don't, however, think that the majority of males have an entitlement complex when it comes to women. Remember, we are in a pseudo-masocistic bubble here at sosuave, so I think that bubble is producing similar effects to the whole "Oh, I bought a red car, and now all I'm seeing are red cars." I think the average guys out there (the ones who have no idea about game/psychology/sosuave) are just happy to have a warm vagina in their life. Those of us who fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your perspective) have an understanding of the female menatlity are the ones who are picky, as we understand the downsides to the game. It's just like business: once you know the gig, you can afford to pass on a contract, knowing that that specific job will just be a headache. The other poor saps who are starving and suck at business will jump on that contract in a heartbeat, just so that they can earn a little cash, and yet not realizing it will be their downfall.

Or maybe I'm just rambling at this point. It's been one of those weeks, and it's only Tuesday.

 

[Warrior74]

I know a guy who introduced me to a guy a while back, as the guy knew i ran / own a web development company and I am always looking or on the look for talent. The guy was out of work and he wanted me/us to program his design he had created for his site.

In the meantime, he kept yaping at me that if he needed any design work that he was ready to work and his designs for his own site actually weren't horrible. A tad bit on the plain side but pretty professional. My normal graphic guy is on vacation this week so I said you know what, i'm going to throw this guy a bone. So I send him a job and he gets right on it, sends me a pretty bland graphic design.. i mean it's not ugly at all but it's nothing that i would pay for, then sends me a $800 dollar invoice lol. I paid it because he earned his keep but that is the last time i will send him anything. I'm Ont paying 800 dollars for generic work.

I'm going to have to stop right there. I just got through dealing with two different types of clients. Both had seen my body of work (which is average, I don't claim to be something amazing). Both knew my prices and rates before agreeing to hire me. One let the meter run, asking for constant revisions and claiming money was not an object and then balked at the final price and then tried to diss my work to justify not paying me the 5k bill he ran up.

The other got a homeboy hook up on editing a quick wordpress template and tried to work me to death and flesh it out into a 20 page ecommerce site for less than $400 bucks. He balked when I told him enough and that he'd have to pay more money for more work. In both cases, they knew what I could do, and they knew what I charged per hour. On both jobs I submitted concepts before they even paid for the work so they would know what they were getting and had the opportunity to pass on it. They also got an estimate and an invoice for a retainer fee based on a percentage.

And yet when their actions yielded ****ed up results, it was my work that was shyt. They knew what the deal was going in, and you saw this guys work so you knew it was plain but professional going in. What did you expect? Due diligence.

A woman will often buy a man and not kick the tires and then blame the man for not giving her what she thought she wanted, even though she never checked for it specifically. Or a man will show exactly who he is, then she expects him to be something else and faults him for being exactly who he is. Like it was some sort of lie, when the problem lies with her and her expecations vs. reality. Just cause he talked you up to get in, doesn't mean your gonna get anything more than advertised, a good sales pitch from walmart is still walmart and expecting em not to be walmart is probably your first mistake. That's another takeaway here.

As for me, my time is growing short in this, my work is average at best, great for my small town area, not good enough for anywhere else. I'm self taught, and work is drying up. I think it's time something/somewhere else.

 

[Slickster]

I'm not the tattooed up hip-hop thug, buff personal trainer, hot bartender guy, uber-rich jet-setter, prison convict, Jersey shore meathead, club promoter, etc...I just don't offer that kind of excitement that make a swath of women throw their panties at me.

Would you really want to be any of those guys? Other than the rich jet-setter all those guys sound like douches to me. The women those guys bone are worthless in my opinion.

 

[zekko]

Sstype, I agree with Slickster. I think you're selling yourself short, sounds like you have plenty to offer.

You say you're boyfriend material, what's wrong with that? At least that means you're attractive. Oh, but you're on Sosuave so you think you have to be a pimp.

My girlfriend recently told me I'm the kind of boyfriend every woman wants. Don't know if that was a compliment or an insult lol. But she keeps a keen eye out for any competition, so it can't be that bad.

According to PUA Bro-logic, if a girl thinks you're relationship material, she'll be on her best behavior and make you wait for sex. I don't know if that's true, but she's going to give it to you before too long anyway.

If I'm boyfriend material, I find it works to my advantage. Maybe girls aren't throwing themselves at my feet, but when I extend an invitation, I have a pretty good track record with them accepting. Maybe they don't think you're a threat but they find out different lol. If anything, you have to game them less.

So what if they think you're boyfriend material? Take them out a few times and then pump and dump them if that's what you really want to do. Maybe you can add a little swagger if you want to seem more like a hookup type. Don't let girls label you, be your own man.