The Lowdown on Looks

[pharoh]

Superficiality...

The world culture nowadays is way way too superficial. Whenever I go out, all I hear is people rating other people on looks. I hear girls talking about boys and how hot they are, guys rating chicks and whether they would hit her or not. It's like humans are turning into heathens. Maybe I'm exaggerating it or something, but that's all I hear whether I'm eating at a restaurant or in a store. Guys or girls are sitting down, talking about everybody that's passing them, and saying "oh, look at him" or "damn, he is ugly as hell." Whenever you go out, it's like a fashion show.

Anybody check out that new show, "The Swan," where they blatantly say that they are turning ugly people into HB's. I mean, these SHOWS ARE PROMOTING THE OBSESSION ON LOOKS. Man, the way our culture is going, I wouldn't be surprised if people who consider themselves to be not so good looking walk around with burkas over their head.

 

[pharoh]

Originally posted by 40quid
I'd have to agree with this statement. Now that I'm on the job market, I find that interviewing for jobs is a lot like PU. Your looks are like your resume that gets your foot in the door.

Some companies have automatic filters, where they don't even interview someone who falls below those standards (e.g., school pedigree, GPA, work experience). For both sexes, this is where the looks come in -- most of us have standards where we just won't even look at a girl if she doesn't have a certain amount of physical attractiveness. So, if you're in a club, concert, or some other loud environment, your physical attractiveness is just about the only thing you have going for you. Naturally, if you're average or below-average in the looks department, you're just not going to fair very well in these types of environments.

So to answer your rhetorical question, average and below-average guys can hook up with hot chicks, but you have to find your environment where you can demonstrate your value. And you have to foster a personality that is attractive to women. This means that you have to be not-needy, and supremely confident (IMHO, much more confident then your better-looking counterparts).

To paraphase Voltaire -- "give me ten minutes to talk away my ugly face and I will bed the queen of France."

Man, I must commend you for an excellent point you made. The ENVIRONMENT is a major factor, and looks have an upperhand in that respect in all situations based on first impression. You can be in a restaurant, and you will have more "perceived value" than someone else who isn't as attractive as you. I hate that but it is a FACT, and you have to deal with it.

 

[KillingTime]

Looks get you noticed (obviously! whens the last time you heard a chick say "oh check out the IQ on that guy!") but you can get by just fine without them. Two examples: My friend Junior year of HS, long shaggy hair, severe acne, ripped up dirty jeans, worn out nirvana t-shirts, had like 30 jelly bracelets on his arms, major pothead..... but omg you should have seen his g/f, easily a 9. The dude was NOT afraid to speak his mind, he would constantly joke around w/everyone and talk-back to teachers (in a joking way) this guy was not afraid of anyone or anything, insanlely confident. Knew another guy, extremely severe acne, extremely scrawny, looked like a thug though... big trouble maker, just didn't give a f*ck about much.... dating one of the hottest girls in the school. Of course if your famous and/or have cash it's no big deal either, look at Howard Stern! If youve got attitude though its no big deal, looks never hurt though.

 

[Nate235]

I disagree with this somewhat, because I know a guy who is a total greasy looking stoner, with a huge gut, He sounds kind of fem, and he gets the hotest chicks I have ever seen. You know why, from what I observed he knows how to wow them with his personality, he plays with them mentally and they love it! Anyway my 2 cents.

 

[dillin]

If you look bad your never going to get hot girls, deal with it. Reality is if you look good your going to get tons of good looking women no matter what unless your a total chump.

 

[California Love]

Originally posted by 40quid
I'd have to agree with this statement. Now that I'm on the job market, I find that interviewing for jobs is a lot like PU. Your looks are like your resume that gets your foot in the door.

Some companies have automatic filters, where they don't even interview someone who falls below those standards (e.g., school pedigree, GPA, work experience). For both sexes, this is where the looks come in -- most of us have standards where we just won't even look at a girl if she doesn't have a certain amount of physical attractiveness. So, if you're in a club, concert, or some other loud environment, your physical attractiveness is just about the only thing you have going for you. Naturally, if you're average or below-average in the looks department, you're just not going to fair very well in these types of environments.

So to answer your rhetorical question, average and below-average guys can hook up with hot chicks, but you have to find your environment where you can demonstrate your value. And you have to foster a personality that is attractive to women. This means that you have to be not-needy, and supremely confident (IMHO, much more confident then your better-looking counterparts).

To paraphase Voltaire -- "give me ten minutes to talk away my ugly face and I will bed the queen of France."

Beautiful post. I could not have asked for a better support.

Average looking males require those special situations to draw attention to their personalities or other aspects that are particularily attractive.

A good looking person, especially a male, rarely needs to prove himself. His looks automatically past the discrimination test.

 

[CLOONEY]

Originally posted by TonyTheTigerOI
Clooney - My pic is on ashley angels website [the 'masters' forum]... and my AIM handle is tonythetigeroi I'll send pics to whoever wants em.

So pimp - I've never seen 'ugly' guys with super hot chicks. A lot of times you hear people dibate this and they exhagerate how bad the guys looks and how good the girl looks. They do that to give noobs hope. BUT an AVERAGE looking guy who works hard on his appearence can get with most any woman he finds at the mall or downtown if he is confident charismatic and charming. But do you honestly think you could bag Brooke Burke? I think it would be a stretch for a guy with looks equivillent to ME.

oh ok. Do you have a link to that site? I havent received an email from that site in a while, so dont have the link right now......

 

[California Love]

Originally posted by CLOONEY
oh ok. Do you have a link to that site? I havent received an email from that site in a while, so dont have the link right now......

i would also be interested in seeing a pic of you, tony.

 

[tristan22]

Can anybody help me get my photo up? Must of the guys on here claiming to be models and 9+ in the looks category need glasses. Heck, maybe i'm not as good looking as people tell me i am. I consider myself as goodlooking, but not good looking in the sense of what women want these days (N'Sync looking jack offs).

I guess i wouldn't be coming to this site if i were great looking!

 

[Kineti[C]harm]

If you really are worried about looks, start working out...

A mate of mine works out alot, he has a really great body, lean, good muscletoned but not BUFFED but like good muscletone and also abit tan... But his face is like ehm not pretty Big gap between frontteeth, general scrawny facy and the worst hairdo I have ever seen (Like gelled down on the side of his forehead/face) and **** and now hes even grown facialhair around the shape of his face(you know like justin timberlake)... This dude fvcks alot of girls though..

He is confident, fun, easygoing, good body, decent dresser etc... He fvcks alot of nice chicks

 

[40quid]

The key element . . .

Regarding the post on working out:

I think this whole discussion of looks is actually a symptom of a deeper issue.

Think of all the qualities that make up YOU. They include your looks, intelligence, personality, and other qualities, like physical ability, musical talents, etc. The whole point of being a DJ is learning how to emphasize your good traits, while minimizing or eliminating your bad traits.

Applying this to my own situation, I sat down one day and listed out all of my good and bad traits. I tried to find out ways to emphasize my good ones -- for example:

I'm pretty musically inclined, so I got involved in a musical as the guitar player at school. All the girls were so surprised and impressed that I did such a good job.

I can be pretty sociable when I want to be, so I've gone out a bit more to network and to meet more people.

I know that my looks are average at best, so I've learned how to maximize my draw in the gene pool lottery by exercising, eating right, getting enough sleep at night, clearing up my face, learning how to dress, etc.

Basically, everyone started out life with a certain combination of qualities. However, we don't know what the extent of those qualities are until we test the limits by learning how to make the best of them. Too frequently, people sell themselves short by settling for second-hand treatment and are unwilling to test out their limits to see how far they can go.

 

[TonyTheTigerOI]

I dont go to the site anymore either... I know its an official MSN group tho? Im me on AIM - TonyTheTigerOI

 

[snakeeyes]

Looks definitely matter, but its not everything. looks will get the girls attention, but the personality and confidence will seal the deal. Looks alone will earn you a lot of points with the ladies. Have u guys seen the show "Average Joe"? well in both seasons the girl ended up choosing the Good looking guy instead of the average Joe. In the first season the girl chose the good looking waiter instead the successful average Joe. In the second season the girl chose the successful good looking guy over the average joe. what im saying is that it takes more than just looks to get and keep a girl but looks does matter. If u have the looks ur are at an advantage. But u still need to be a challenge and be confident in yourself. In both seasons the average Joes werent confident and didnt become a challenge thats why they lost the girl, plus the fact that they are just average compare to the Confident Hot guy. Girls respect guys with confidence and a sense of humor. working out once in awhile would also improve your chances

 

[Juan_Man]

This thread is bullsh!t. Every average-looking guy in this forum has had a hot chick interested in them before. This is called a missed opportunity. I've had several. I know you have too.