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The internet is making me shallow and stupid

wait_out

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Just for kicks, I picked up "The Idiot" by Fyodor Dostoevsky the other day. And it made me realise how much I miss competent authors. Sweet god, the man could write. So could a lot of other people... Tolstoy, Shakespeare, Hemingway... on a whole lot of subjects. I see all the guys griping about looks on the general forum -- but there's already an amazing, hilarious, tragic story called Cyrano de Bergerac which is a great read and explains exactly that. I was obsessed with learning about humanity when I was young, I loved classic authors. Whatever the limits of my smothered teenage life -- i had access to great loves, massacres, cruelty, and ultimately redemption before death. Human life meant something, and we were looking at it.

So then -- why am I now reading day after day, godawful articles on Slate and Salon that offer nothing about the human existence except the desperate need of the authors for exposure and more page hits? And even worse, the nitwits commenting on them below the article? Yes, a million monkeys banging away may create a masterpiece, but isn't that negated by having to read through a million scripts created by monkeys? These blogs and pseudo-news outlets are supposed to be offering enlightening social commentary, but get real, most of it is trash.

But what captures the internet, after all.... nyan cat? It's funny, but substance? In the 19th century and before, there was a true preoccupation with the human condition and how to resolve our lives to god, in the face of the inhumanity of man which was too familiar. Death was close and love had consequences. Unfortunately now it seems like our elite cultural energy goes primarily into marketing and getting outraged about pet causes on blogs.

I feel like the internet has been bad for me! Why does it feel like we've cut off the rawest, most real aspects of life -- death, obsession, madness, love, oblivion -- that remind us to cherish our present? I remember a uni student trying to say Antigone -- the lead character in a greek tragedy -- was depressed and needed therapy (to give context, she was condemned to be living burial for having broken the law to rescue her slain, disgraced brother's body from carrion). Wow. We used to kill slaves for sport in arenas and scorn guys in the audience as "unmanly" for fainting! Now we have... romcoms and zero historical memory? Humans are the same bad old things they ever were. I'll give Pan's Labyrinth was a fine movie but it didn't feel like a 21st century story. How did we become so blind and short sighted? It's as if humanity was born in 1996.

This is a pretty scattered post -- but i feel my THOUGHTS have become scattered by continually trying to skim value out of trash, rather than force myself to comprehend anything in depth. Anyone else feel like they're getting faster at doing 10 things at once... but paradoxically, stupider? This may sound strange too but i feel my emotions have been getting shallower directly related with my thinking. I understood love in a world with death, responsibility, pathos, and kindness... but not in one when we pretend there are no true consequences to anything whatsoever, humans simply won't develop to that level of emotional maturity.

I sense this as a 0 reply thread... but if anyone can relate I'd be very curious for your opinion.
 

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his other book, the brothers karamazov is better IMHO. long as fvck but well worth the read. one of those books you cant really put down
 

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wait_out said:
These blogs and pseudo-news outlets are supposed to be offering enlightening social commentary, but get real, most of it is trash... In the 19th century and before, there was a true preoccupation with the human condition and how to resolve our lives to god, in the face of the inhumanity of man which was too familiar. Death was close and love had consequences... How did we become so blind and short sighted? It's as if humanity was born in 1996.
When Gutenberg invented the printing press, I have no doubt the same complaints arose.

Nostalgia bias. History remembers the greats and forgets the crap.
 

Don't always be the one putting yourself out for her. Don't always be the one putting all the effort and work into the relationship. Let her, and expect her, to treat you as well as you treat her, and to improve the quality of your life.

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wait_out said:
How did we become so blind and short sighted? It's as if humanity was born in 1996.

This is a pretty scattered post -- but i feel my THOUGHTS have become scattered by continually trying to skim value out of trash, rather than force myself to comprehend anything in depth. Anyone else feel like they're getting faster at doing 10 things at once... but paradoxically, stupider? This may sound strange too but i feel my emotions have been getting shallower directly related with my thinking. I understood love in a world with death, responsibility, pathos, and kindness... but not in one when we pretend there are no true consequences to anything whatsoever, humans simply won't develop to that level of emotional maturity.

I sense this as a 0 reply thread... but if anyone can relate I'd be very curious for your opinion.
Good post man.

Thing is shallowness itself can become addicting. You go with the herd you get the validation of the herd.

But thats always been the case.

Look at some of the greatest writers in history, many took 10 or 20 years to be published. Most of the truly great thinkers were misunderstood in their time. Its only through the lens of history that allows us a measure of clarity.

to quote andrew keen. The mistake is to separate the Internet from the general culture. There's clearly a general cultural problem with the echo chamber. There's clearly more and more of a failure in America of people of different political persuasions to respectfully and creatively talk about issues. That's both in mainstream media and on the Internet. I think the Internet is a reflection of an increasingly fragmented world, an increasingly -- ironically, given that we're supposed to be living in this social media age, an increasingly lonely, fragmented, isolated age, in which we sit in front of our computers, we have less and less physical contact with everybody else, and we are more and more convinced of our own ideas.
 

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It's cool to see such literate people in a forum ostensibly dedicated to pick up.

Anyways, I am definitely going to make an effort to limit my internet time and try and get more focused, since I feel the net gives back so little for what you put in. The saddest thing in the world is seeing friends or family being super active on facebook or having a suspiciously amazing knowledge of viral videos, but of course then they let slip somehow they're actually a little lonely.... it's heartbreaking really. Being able to go out alone and make a friend easily is such a gift, it's sad some people are too afraid, judgmental, or just don't know how.

BB - I have read BK, favorite book growing up.
SL - I will keep those parallels in mind. Interesting thought.
Burroughs - I think you're right but nobody seems to talk about it!
Iqqi - I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul
 

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wait_out said:
I sense this as a 0 reply thread... but if anyone can relate I'd be very curious for your opinion.
I enjoyed your final line. I agree with a lot of the ideas you have put forward. I feel that the internet cheapens life's experiences and disconnects you from other people. This was an idea I tried to expouse in an essay, which had to talk about circles, for a practise test for something like America's SAT (I failed the practise and I was an A student in english) so this might not make a great deal of sense.

Basically, my idea was this. My analogy was that the people within your life (friends, family, coworkers) form a 'circle' which represent your connections and your role in part of communities. We are in many different social circles (your school/work friends, family, childhood friends, sporting team friends).

Now my argument was that the internet and through sites such as facebook our circles have increased in size yet the emotional connection between us and the people within our circles has diminished. Think of all those random people you don't really know who are your facebook friends.


We favour quantity over quality. I just read a thread on this site about a guy who admits to enjoying watching porn rather than being with a live girl sometimes.

Completely unrelated but....concentration is a skill that isn't being practised as much with so much information and distraction available in our lives.

I think it's sad when I see

1. People walking along the beach and instead of listening to the beautiful and relaxing sound of the waves, they have their iPod on blasting some Top 40 song.

2. When people are so concerned with 'checking in' on facebook that they can't live in the moment and enjoy what they are supposed to be doing.

3. When you are spending what you believe to be quality time with a friend or a group of friends and they are texting other people as you are hanging out. Suddenly, your company isn't good enough. No, they need to be constantly connected with everyone.

4. The whole 'troll' culture of quoting internet memes and saying "Epic fail" when someone tries something and is unsuccessful. I was on a trip with some year 7s and I wanted to slap some of the kids when they said this. Failure is needed for learning and success but if we develop this culture of fearing of failure then we are shooting ourselves in the foot.

I mean quite seriously, I love that feeling when you have an indepth and deep conversation with someone and you really connect with them on a level greater than you usually do. That's something I find hard to find on the internet.
 

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I'm curious, are you going to do something about it and turn off your gadgets, or are you just going to stick to your old ways?
 

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ka_mate, what you are trying to describe is Dunbar's Number, which states that the human brain can only keep track of about 150 people, and our social groups would stay about that large.

And guys, instead of being all sad and complaining about all of this, think of the ways that you will benefit from it by just being aware of it.

For example, other guys are going to be too busy being in their heads and updating their Facebook while you're out beasting, cold approaching and eventually having sex with the girl that they just finished masturbating to bikini photos of.

Think about it.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

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r0cky said:
I'm curious, are you going to do something about it and turn off your gadgets, or are you just going to stick to your old ways?
I plan to stop and replace that time with better hobbies! And it's happening!
 

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Vice said:
For example, other guys are going to be too busy being in their heads and updating their Facebook while you're out beasting, cold approaching and eventually having sex with the girl that they just finished masturbating to bikini photos of.

Think about it.
Damn straight. The world grows very small once the weak take themselves out of the game.

The strong survive and thrive. Let's get to it.
 

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Just curious but would anyone care to suggest your "Don Juan" flavored reading lists? IE. the memoirs of Casanova, Byron, etc -- what's truly stood the test of time.

I'm sure lustful women haven't changed much :yes:
 
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