"The Hostal" in real life?

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It's the second time I've heard about something going on that's Hostal-like. By Hostal-like, I mean, like in the movie, The Hostal, where, basicaly, a group of people, that involve police, and, well, "prestigeous" people torture people. By torture I mean poking eyes out, cutting legs out, raping (which seems like little compared to the other stuff), and getting away with it a lifetime because, high ranking people protect them.

I guess it'd be naive of me to think that this doesn't happen in such a big world... is it common? Urban legend? Does it help that people prefer not to look into it, and, then this continues?
 

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SamePendo said:
It's the second time I've heard about something going on that's Hostal-like. By Hostal-like, I mean, like in the movie, The Hostal, where, basicaly, a group of people, that involve police, and, well, "prestigeous" people torture people. By torture I mean poking eyes out, cutting legs out, raping (which seems like little compared to the other stuff), and getting away with it a lifetime because, high ranking people protect them.

I guess it'd be naive of me to think that this doesn't happen in such a big world... is it common? Urban legend? Does it help that people prefer not to look into it, and, then this continues?
Well, I'll quote the whole thing and rephrase it as how I see it. Because I think humanity is sick and I have no hope in it/I lost all hope in it.

In war and in peace (but even less so) Hostal-like situation are extremely common, almost as if you walked down your neighborhood, you could hear people scream. This's no urban legend and people should definitely look into this and prevent it from happening, ever, again, to our kids or future generation. Everyone has a fetish but some just go too far and this is one of them. If you like bondage or something, that's perfectly fine, in fact, I even encourage a little fetish, but if you like poking people's eyeball out for fun, I want to beat you to a bloody pulp with my bare hands. Yes this is a real life threat to all you future (wannabe) torturers out in this world. I will beat you to death.
People have sunk an all time low already.
 

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This kind of stuff happens ALL the time in real life (not exactly the way on the movie, but it does happen).

Personally, if I heard someone scream, the least I'd do is call the cops. I mean, I'd hate to live in a kind of world where someone can get raped or murdered on the street while everyone walks by with their heads down. I mean christ, it takes 10 seconds to pull out your cell phone and call the cops!
 

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People might get tortured often, but they don't have a shield of high ranking people protecting them like the OP was saying.
 

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I'm not so sure about the secret society and the business side of things, but torture for sexual gratification does happen. The Fred and Rose West case in England springs to my mind where they kidnapped and tortured many victims for sexual kicks. It's horrific what a human can do to another for "fun".

I have friends who are into extreme bondage and asphyxiation. My one friend is only 20 and she likes to be choked unconscious at the point of orgasm. One of my male friends is into rape role play where he pretends to follow his partner home drags her into a forest or garages or somewhere quiet and simulates raping her. Even though these are consensual acts, I find it extremely shocking and I worry about how far they will push the boundaries. Today simulated rape and violence is enough, but maybe when the novelty wears off they'll need something more real. They are only in their early 20s and have to go to these crazy lengths to get a kick. Just think what they're going to be doing to "spice things up" in 20 years time!
 

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diplomatic_lies said:
Personally, if I heard someone scream, the least I'd do is call the cops. I mean, I'd hate to live in a kind of world where someone can get raped or murdered on the street while everyone walks by with their heads down. I mean christ, it takes 10 seconds to pull out your cell phone and call the cops!
Interesting you would say this. Ever hear of Kitty Genovese? You basically described her situation right there.

Altruism research indicates that the more people who witness an event requiring assistance, the less likely it is that anyone will assist. Condemn that all you want, but psychology seems to show that it's human nature.
 

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What you hear about in REAL LIFE is what people WANT you to hear and HOW they want you to perceive life.

If you consider what you tell your gf or s/o and how you phrase it, consider that on a major level.

If you consider as a sales person what you tell clients on a NEED TO KNOW BASIS, you answer ONLY what's asked and what benefits the client.

Do people ask the crazy, wild, honest, or unique questions in life?

-In most cases, NO, because they're dubbed "conspiracy theories" or crack pot theories. If people aren't asking the hard questions and demanding answers, NO ONE will provide them. Just like a sales person will not tell you anything you're not REQUIRED to no. The same line of thinking applies in contracts, business, and in many communications between human beings.

Could it exist? Anything COULD exist. Anything we perceive or bring into consciousness could NOW exist. As horrible or wonderful as the thing you bring in is...

Have I heard about it? Never. Nor would I want to consider the depths of humanity reach so deep and dark. I realize people say "well, that's fantasy," like the rape illustrations above, or the asphyxiations, but once you GO down a path, its quite hard to stop. Look at many smokers, or chronic masturbators, or drug abusers, or drinkers, etc. Some just have that personality, and if they find their "FIX", it's near impossible to dump. Those who are ADDICTS will find new addictions, or upgrade their current ones.

An alchy uncle of mine switched from booze to cigars. Booze will kill him or anyone, cigars would only possibly kill him. Some have that addictive gene and will switch addictions thinking they're cured, when they only changed their focus.

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What we see on a MEDIA level, on an INFORMATION level is only the PREDOMINANT level of what people DESIRE to hear. Because the media is a MONEY machine, their FIRST allegiance is NOT to anything of importance or freedom, or in the best interests of the people, it's to MONEY, PROFITS, and SHAREHOLDERS. If they broadcast a story that could possibly diminish their revenues, then they won't broadcast it, or they'll change it.

One such story was done for a new show on Fox UnderCover, but it never even made 1 showing. The reason being, they were doing an expose' on Milk and how growth hormones along with unsanitary conditions were making milk very unhealthy. Monsanto, a bio-chemical company who produces RBGH, would suffer much in terms of income and profits, as would the dairy industry. The lawyers of Fox told them to change it. Then they told them to quit and go away with a small monetary fee involved. Finally, the moved to cancel the show and defame the producers. Is this widely known? Not really. If anyone ever found out that a show on milk was NOT allowed to be aired, people would raise such a stink it would HAVE to be aired, and the proceedings would ensue.

I only mentioned this because very often people think..."Well if it was true, we'd have heard about it." Not at all. ENOUGH people have to WANT to find out the truth, or search for alternate answers to justify that information coming forward. Money coming over honor these days, for most they'd go the route of money, ESPECIALLY in the mainstream media where most information comes from. And it's such a big machine, they can usually try to push the smaller players around and attempt to discredit them in the process. That's also why blogs and alternative sites and truth seeks get very little exposoure and rarely are bothered with. To bother with sites like Prison Planet, or anything dealing with 9-11 would suggest to the public that in fact IT IS A BIG DEAL or it MIGHT be true. But to discount it as non-truth or as "conspiracy theory," is to lump it along with the Waco-ites, and MOST people don't want to relive the horrors of WACO, or 9-11, or Kennedy's Assassination. And as such, lock it away.

I mention this ALL because what we actually hear and what we actually SEEK are quite different. Life and information will only GIVE back what you ask. But if you SEEK, you will find the answers you desire in your search. The difficult task is seeking, but people get complacent and rarely ask, therefore they tip their hand that they rarely THINK INDEPENDENTLY, because THINKING PRECEEDING ASKING, and most people do not have an unique thoughts.



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I understood that the movie Hostel was inspired by a website that recruited people to be tortured or killed. But, I didn’t know that the website was a hoax. Still, I wouldn’t be surprised.

This kind of stuff does happen through the internet. What I find freaky is that apart from the sickos out there that want to torture and kill someone…..there’s many sickos out there that want to be tortured and killed.

Take for example, the German cannibal who put out an add on the internet looking for a man willing to be eaten. Apparently, he received many replies! For years the courts had troubles charging him with murder because his victim (who also helped eat himself – it was all video taped) went willingly.

Investigations have shown that there’s an active cannibal scene in Germany (and probably elsewhere) with people hooking up on the internet.

The following links are not for the faint of heart:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4752797.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3444333.stm


Its all so very sick. But, it seems to be a real aspect of human nature, whether we like it or not.

As for Hostel itself...there was such a big build up to that movie, but I thought it was very disappointing. I'm still waiting for a good horror movie. I don't think I've ever seen one.
 

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doctoroxygen said:
Interesting you would say this. Ever hear of Kitty Genovese? You basically described her situation right there.

Altruism research indicates that the more people who witness an event requiring assistance, the less likely it is that anyone will assist. Condemn that all you want, but psychology seems to show that it's human nature.
The Kitty Genovese story was sensationalized by the media. events actually occured much differently than most people think. Here are some interesting sources:

http://www.oldkewgardens.com/ss-nytimes-3.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitty_Genovese
http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache...rasenberger+genovese&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=6
 

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As for Hostel itself...there was such a big build up to that movie, but I thought it was very disappointing. I'm still waiting for a good horror movie. I don't think I've ever seen one.
I agree, it was a big disappointment. I thought it had excellent potential and a good set up, but was such an anti-climax.

As for good horror movies, I've not seen many either for ages, but I do recommend the remake of The Hills Have Eyes. It's very disturbing and very gripping. One of the best and scariest horror flicks I've seen for years.

House of 1000 Corpses and Devil's Rejects are scary and disturbing films too, but a bit too graphic and sick for my liking.
 

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I doubt something like this happens at all.i mean yeah,youve got weird beyond bizzarre stuff that happens,like those whacky german cannibals! but with something like hostel,you gotta think,if something like this really happened,wouldnt it create a missing persons file large enough to attract every major law enforcement agency in the world? fbi,cia,interpol,etc.i heard about the website that allegedly inspired hostel.it was something in thailand where you could pay to shoot people.but they said people were criminals,those being shot.but still,you gotta ask,who does that? criminal or not,its pretty twisted.personally,i was a bit letdown by this movie,they marketed it as this be all end all,****e your pants horror movie.when it was just a mediocre horror movie.they are planning a second one.maybe that will answer some questions like,whos been doing this,how long,and why? i didnt see it in theatres,but i did rent it.before renting it,i had some self-moral objections like do i really want to see this etc? the state of horror movies,well more so american horror movies,has been in decline the past few years.its sad to see.cause before you just had one great horror movie after the other.nowadays,everything is mediocre or crappy.i think the people who are carrying the torch in horror movies are these asian horror directors.its a genre im only vaugley familiar with,but from what ive seen and read about them,im going,yes,thats the way to do it.i mean,they seem to know what there doing.i think some of the better recent horror movies are,shaun of the dead,which i absolutley loved,not liked,loved,28 days later,dawn of the dead remake,which i didnt think i would like seeing as how i like the original so much,signs,thats all i can really think of
 

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As for good horror movies, I've not seen many either for ages, but I do recommend the remake of The Hills Have Eyes. It's very disturbing and very gripping. One of the best and scariest horror flicks I've seen for years.

House of 1000 Corpses and Devil's Rejects are scary and disturbing films too, but a bit too graphic and sick for my liking.

I was a bit disappointed with The Hills Have Eyes....the story had potential, but I thought they over used the 'startle factor'...you know, when something jumps out in front of the camera.

I also thought House of 1000 Corpes was fairly good. I haven't seen Devil's Rejects, but will have to check it out.

Have you seen Cabin Fever? By Eli Roth, the same director as Hostel (but without Terrentino's promotional stamp). A similar theme or message as Hostel - teenagers going abroad for the purpose of wreckless partying, but then finding themselves in trouble.

A recent movie that I thought was okay....darn, I forget the name...where 3 teenagers are travelling to some lake, their car breaks down and some man stops to help them. I tend to have a high tolerance for weird things, and that movie weirded me out, a bit. Also, I just watched Saw 2, and that was okay -the plot was a bit smarter than what most horror movies get.

Overall, I think horror movies are getting better, but I blame directors like John Carpenter for decades of really lousy ones. Friday the 13th, Halloween, etc. Night of the Living Dead. All terrible. I would like to see someone make a really good, mind blowingly unforgettable, 'intelligent' horror movie...if that's not too oxymoronic. The other night I watched Terminator 2 for the umpteenth time, and that still remains one of my very favorites...although, thats sci-fi, not horror.
 

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I doubt something like this happens at all.i mean yeah,youve got weird beyond bizzarre stuff that happens,like those whacky german cannibals! but with something like hostel,you gotta think,if something like this really happened,wouldnt it create a missing persons file large enough to attract every major law enforcement agency in the world? fbi,cia,interpol,etc.
Well, I hope you're right. But don't underestimate what people will do for money (and for sick desires), especially in poorer countries. Families will sell their own children for a few bucks.

As for 'missing people' - if it were an American who went missing in Slovakia, then yes, there would be a big hoopla over it. But within some countries, it doesn't really matter whose missing if they don't have the system to keep track of it or spend time on such things.

Roth likely chose Czech / and Slovakia for the setting for Hostel because many American viewers are probably unfamiliar with those countries. There's the implication that people might be able to get away with it there...but its doubtful, and many argue that the movie gave those countries a bad image.
 

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Porky said:
The Kitty Genovese story was sensationalized by the media. events actually occured much differently than most people think. Here are some interesting sources:

http://www.oldkewgardens.com/ss-nytimes-3.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitty_Genovese
http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache...rasenberger+genovese&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=6
Yeah, I've read all those. Regardless, the incident prompted research into altruistic behavior that produced results that mirrored the sensationalized incident moreso than the purported "actual" one. Which makes things scary.
 
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