The HGH and Steroid Controversy

[Drum&Bass]

I think when your young, dumb and full of cum, getting bigger means you will win more fights, get respect and get more pussy.

As you mature and become smarter fitness becomes more about keeping your body functioning optimally so you can live longer with less complications. Looking good becomes a nice bonus.

Fitness should be about self preservation, steroids are a total different entity that moves in the opposite direction (more for guys with low self esteem). If people want to do roids and think its wonderful, then continue doing your thing...But maybe you need to ask yourself..Why am I taking gear ?? Who am I doing this for ?? Who really cares (for more than 3 mins) how big my muscles will look ?? ..and are the results from steroids that big of a deal to have any relevant effect on my life ??

 

[wolf116]

wouldn't do that if i were you...i took em for 12 weeks...exploded but got major acne all over my face...i told myself id never do that to myself again...before i had perfect skin and get compliments on it...now i have acne scars that will never go away. :cuss:

My face is fvcked up anyway from acne scars and I have pretty bad bacne.
I have a double Y chromosome so I will have acne into my forty's.

Did you inject or take orals?
Did you do your research on which ones are better for acne?

 

[mrRuckus]

Ah. Yes. More "my friend told me" and "i heard somewhere" knowledge.

 

[wayword]

Interesting video on a HS cheerleader who used roids for 5 weeks after asking the football team what their secret was...

 

[Andromax]

^^^ 8 lbs of muscle in a month not bad!!

a 17 year old chick with out of control emotions?? NO WAY!!!

That video was pretty funny. I wonder if her voice is gonna stay that deep forever. That is a bad side effect for a chick haha.

 

[guru1000]

Steroids are addicting...true...

Is a personal trainer addicting?

Is your wife/GF addicting?

Is your favorite hobby addicting?

I've use steroids, and I've come off of them knowing that I was going to lose size, but it's not end of the world.

A lot of you anti-juicers are so freaking naive...you are basing your opinions on what other people tell you to believe..you have no eprsonal expereince and knowledge about steroids.

Hey Espi,

If you studied hormones for the next 10 years, your education would still be a fraction of what I knew 10 years ago.

So you did a few cycles, and you think you are a GURU. LOL.

Anyway as I stated the problem is a mental as well as a PHYSICAL dependence on testosterone.

Mentally the addiction is not the same as a hobby addiction. There is notable difference in your serotonin/dopamine balance due to increase in free testosterone. Noteably as your strength increases, and your body pushes harder than ever before, your HAPPY chemicals are secreted in abundance.
When your cycle is finished even with proper post-cycle treatment (HCG/clomid) you will still feel a low. This is because your adrenal gland is exhausted not producing a proper amount of androgens. With lower testosterone and androgens, your mental chemistry does not peak as when you cycled.

Physically lies the greater DEPENDENCE. With a 200-500% of testosterone in your blood, your pituitary gland secretes less LH (leutining hormone). LH is an indicator to the testes to produce testosterone. With lower LH levels in the blood, the testes minimize or cease production of T. After post cycle therapy, it can take up to a couple years for your body to produce normal testosterone levels again , if it ever recovers 100%. This is why many athletes ,mostly bodybuilders, who had cycled on and off for many years, are on HRT( Hormonal Relplacement Therapy). Their natural testosterone levels have never recovered. They will be receiving HRT for life.

Now that you are educated a little more, you are 1/4 guru.

 

[cordoncordon]

I've used steroids, and I can tell you that your opinions are offensive and way off base.

I've worked very hard to develop my body; you think that I injected the steroids and just sat around watching the muscles develop? Truth is, a person who uses steroids works just as hard as a non-juicer. I know that from experience and knowledge. I learned that if you don't eat right, steroids do you no good whatsoever.

I hope this helps eliminate your confusion.

Also, there is abolsutely no evidence that suggests commonsensical, moderate use of steroids destroys the body, and please don;t bring up Lyle Alzado, etc. because steroids was not the proven killer. It's the professionl, elitie BB'ers who give steroids a bad name. They abuse steroids.

The truth is, if you use steroids the way they should be used...moderately and coomonsensically, your body's going to benefit...you're stronger, sexier, more confident, even healtheir because steroid use requires clean living--no alcohol drugs, junk food.

Roger Clemens, et al know about the benefits of steroids...they just don;t have th balls to say it. There's a reason Clemens, Lance Armstrong, etc. performed at so high a level so late in life.

This couldn't be more true. I am SO sick of the anti steroid bias that the media propagates. News flash. Steroids were invented to HELP the body, whether animal or human. I trained race horses for 18 years. One of the first things I would do when getting a new horse from a different trainer was to inject it with 10 cc of Winstrol V and 10 cc of Equipoise. Loved it. Helped their energy level, their appetite, their stamina, their coats looked better, their attitude. everything. NEVER once in all my years of training horses did I see something negative. Alright maybe a couple horses who i gave oil based testerone too got a little too horny lol, but thats about it. There werent any tumors growing, there werent any organ shutdowns, nothing negative.

This whole anti steroids bias is beyond ridiculous.

 

[Throttle]

If you studied hormones for the next 10 years, your education would still be a fraction of what I knew 10 years ago.

you, sir, undoubtedly know much less than your ego forces you to claim.

 

[Mr.Positive]

Thought this may be an interesting read for some:

http://www.ironaddicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2678

Powerful article Quagmire, thanks for sharing. Definitely food for though.

I've never cycled steroids, but I weight train.

You can claim that my opinion does not mean anything, because I haven't 'experienced' a cycle.

My take is this. Unless you really know what you are doing, don't f*ck with your body. I'm not about to start sticking needles in my ass.

I'm not trying to judge, because steroids really is a victimless crime. I just don't understand why take the chance?

Your body is your temple, eat clean and lift heavy. Push yourself to your natural limits, but taking illegal drugs to get a boost is just bad advise all around.

It's just not worth it guys. Eat sh!t loads of protein and tear sh!t up in the gym! You can achieve your goals naturally!! Just put in the effort.

 

[wolf116]

you, sir, undoubtedly know much less than your ego forces you to claim.

Haha yeah he is the guy that was trying to tell Warboss Alex that you can't build muscle without bulking and cutting cycles.

 

[bigshot]

Something you guys might find useful:

"The Sane cycle : safe and effective use of steroids"

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=113118

 

[Mr.Positive]

Responses in bold.

Fair enough, however we should also start giving reasons NOT to use steroids.

1) Possession is a felony, you go to jail. This should be enough of a reason.

2) You can achieve confidence, libido, and strength without sticking a needle in your ass.

3) You are playing with your body's hormonal system to get a boost. It's not natural. Physical fitness is a lifestyle based upon consistency and hard work. There is nothing consistent with cycling steriods, it's all ups and downs..

Feel free to add to this...but for those of us not trying to make a career out of professional sports, using steriods is a bad idea, IMO.

 

[guru1000]

I have been active in the bodybuilding community since the age of 18. I have competed and placed in several pre-national and national bodybuilding competitions in my twenties as a hobby.

My PHD in hormones comes from raw experience not from a diploma.

Here are the benefits to Testosterone and GH Supplementation:

1) Enhanced feeling of well being
2) Increase in Muscle Mass
3) Decrease in Body Fat
4) Increased Libido
5) Decrease in Testosterone/Cortisol Ratio
6) Increased Water Retention in the Muscle
7) Increased Energy
8) Increased Strength
9) Increased Confidence
10) Increased Aggressiveness (High Androgenics such as tren, cyp, etc.)
11) Increased Skin Tone and Thickness (GH)
12) Fewer Wrinkles (GH)
13) Thickening of Hair (GH)
14) Youthful Appearance (GH)
15) Improved Blood Cholesterol and Profile (GH)
16) Lowering of Blood Pressure (GH)
17) Marked improvement in serotonon release

Here are the disadvantages to testosterone/gh Supplemention:

1) Manipulation of the HPTA axis (Hypothalmus, pituitary, testes)
2) Lowered testosterone and Androgens post cycle
3) Possibility of not recovering normal hormone levels (Usually LT use)
4) Erection Problems Post Cycle (for some)
5) Increased DHT during cycle (This will speed up hair loss for those gentically inclined to lose hair)
6) Increase in Blood cholesterol Post-Cycle
7) Lowered Serotonin/Dopamine Post Cycle
8) Acne during cycle
9) Water Retention (This can me minimzed with proper diet and anti-estrogen)
10) Bone Growth (jaw, forehead, hands and feet- Gh Overusage)
11) Increased Temper

There are both advantages and disadvantages to any decision.

I would only recommend testosterone/gh supplementation to those with low T and GH levels .

This would include T levels under 450 from ages 25+ and GF-1 under 350 according to the measurable norms.

There is actually a FEDERAL LAW in progress (due to many athletes using doctors) being this is a Controlled Substance in what constitutes you to qualify for Testosterone and GH therapy. There are no guidelines in place yet. However alot of doctors are now being looked at if their clients are under the age of 35 and receiving therapy.

 

[wayword]

Thought this may be an interesting read for some:

http://www.ironaddicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2678

Interesting...I guess size does matter to chicks...

IM: But you did say looking like that helps you with women?
BB: That makes it a little worthwhile, but I never had any problem with the *****es. I got plenty before. Now I'm bigger, so I get a lot more.

 

[Mr.Positive]

Something you guys might find useful:

"The Sane cycle : safe and effective use of steroids"

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=113118

Great article. Thanks for sharing it.

 

[wolf116]

Something you guys might find useful:

"The Sane cycle : safe and effective use of steroids"

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=113118

Nice.

but avoid the use of prescription medication like anti-biotics and Accutane at all costs, as these products are far more taxing on your liver than stanozolol. So in the interest of your health prescription medication for acne is not advisable.

If you get acne so bad that it really ruins your life : DON'T USE STEROIDS !!!!

Anyone know how long your liver would need to repair after using Accutane?
I haven't used it yet but after finding out I will have acne into my 40's and also that I will be taking roids. I'm thinking I should get it out of the way first and give my body time to repair.

EDIT: I just read that if you fix your acne up with accutane, then cycle some test your acne will come back hardcore!
I hate my genetics!

 

[Brules Rules]

Haha! Taking all this stupid **** to get big. Just eat! Don't be one of these ***** bodybuilders who apparently **** other guys for drug money, and can barely stand (and look like ****ing cows). **** that ****.

 

[Andromax]

Haha! Taking all this stupid **** to get big. Just eat!

Actually, a lot of steroids are not taken strictly for muscle growth. Boldenone (Equipoise) dramatically increases cardiovascular performance. Imagine that! Being able to win a marathon! Or the tour-de-france! (also known as the tour-de-shame :crackup

You can't compete without chemical muscle enhancement, and THAT is why people take them.

 

[Drum&Bass]

I need some kinda comparison for the negative effects of steroids..if someone were to take the bare minimum of anabolics to see growth is the damage to a persons system equivalent to 5 aspirins all at once ??

 

[Andromax]

I need some kinda comparison for the negative effects of steroids..if someone were to take the bare minimum of anabolics to see growth is the damage to a persons system equivalent to 5 aspirins all at once ??

You are suggesting that all physiological changes equate to system damage?

A large does of Aspirin will thin the blood (good OR bad depending on the circumstances) and could produce ulcers in the stomach.

I don't see how you could compare that to steroid's side effects.