The HGH and Steroid Controversy

[Being_the_Don]

It's on the news all the time. Athletes who juice up to get "better" results. Roger Clemens, the baseball star, may face perjury charges following his testimony that he did not use performance enhancing drugs. Clemens' testimony flies in the face of the Mitchell report and the testimony of those close to him who say that the athlete did in fact use HGH to boost his performance.

Why would anyone want to juice up? What is the benefit? Focusing on Human Growth Hormone otherwise known as HGH, its release is specific in the body. Yes the hormone plays a role in a number of bodily functions including fat lysis, increased mineralization of bone ie makes the bones stronger, increases protein synthesis and muscle mass and a number of other functions necessary for healthy body (and which could also be thought of as anti-ageing). But it has adverse effects in excess amounts. Nerve damage, gigantism ie enlarged extremities, pituitary gland tumors are just a shirt list of the problems associated with excess amounts of HGH. If a person is deficient in the hormone, medically prescribed dosages are required and indeed necessary but other than medical need, why would anyone take it? Why risk your health for it? Why risk your health for any performance "enhancing" drug?

Whatever happened to getting strong on your own from hard work? I know how I feel when I go beyond my limits in the gym. I feel better about myself. I feel stronger and I know I'm doing it naturally. I know that many athletes take their health very seriously and wouldn't even dream of juicing. But what of those who do take performance enhancing drugs? What are their reasons for doing so?

Why ruin your health? It makes absolutely no sense to me.

 

[Drum&Bass]

Listen here rookie, your heart is in the right place, but your head isn't in reality.

Look at bodybuilding...You think anyone is gonna care about a NATURALLY muscular competitor who looks no different than the typical gym veteran ??
People pay money and are interested in things they have never seen before. You think Coleman or Cutler would have all this international fame and status if they naturally worked hard without the assistance of controlled substances.

When you make a living in entertainment you make money off of pleasing people, after awhile your own naturally abilities can please people for so long, eventually your gonna have to just keep doing BIGGER things, its the nature of the industry.

I know that many athletes take their health very seriously and wouldn't even dream of juicing.

LOL sure...if thats what you'd like to believe. You probably think natural body building competitors don't juice either right ??

I think if athletes wanna juice up, then let em !! its only gonna make the game more fun to watch.

 

[insidious]

I'm with you buddy.
Frankly, there are tons of viewpoints on both
sides of this issue. I don't consider
myself even close to being an expert on
steroids, so I'll shut up.

I will tell you this though: I would never injest
anything for the sake of size or strength. Any size
or strength I do happen to attain is completely
natural and the product of devotion and hard work.
Granted, I don't have amazing size and the numbers
I post are not mind-boggling....but I'm happy with
them, and that is all that matters.

I'm not involved in competition...and that is the only
reason I can see to get involved in steroid use.

 

[Being_the_Don]

Listen here rookie, your heart is in the right place, but your head isn't in reality.

Look at bodybuilding...You think anyone is gonna care about a NATURALLY muscular competitor who looks no different than the typical gym veteran ??
People pay money and are interested in things they have never seen before. You think Coleman or Cutler would have all this international fame and status if they naturally worked hard without the assistance of controlled substances.

When you make a living in entertainment you make money off of pleasing people, after awhile your own naturally abilities can please people for so long, eventually your gonna have to just keep doing BIGGER things, its the nature of the industry.
LOL sure...if thats what you'd like to believe. You probably think natural body building competitors don't juice either right ??

I think if athletes wanna juice up, then let em !! its only gonna make the game more fun to watch.

So by this logic it's okay to do what others want you to do without any thought to the consequences. If your health deteriorates from using these substances where is that going to leave you? In the old days athletes didn't do this. It's as if people set the bar really high and a lot of athletes themselves don't think they can reach the bar without taking strength hormones. There's no challenge if if an athlete has to juice up. What's the point of strength training and sports if people don't believe that they can make it under their own steam?

 

[Drum&Bass]

So by this logic it's okay to do what others want you to do without any thought to the consequences.

Dude, stop trying to be someones dad, these athletes are adults, older than you, you honestly think they don't know the risks of what there doing ??? IT'S THEIR CHOICE.

There's no challenge if if an athlete has to juice up. What's the point of strength training and sports if people don't believe that they can make it under their own steam?

how is there no challenege explain that me??

When you take gear/roids or GH you have to work twice as hard !!! the only difference is you are not held back by your bodies physical limitations. YOU STILL GOTTA WORK AND YOU STILL GOTTA HAVE THE TALENT AND SKILLS !! roids doesn't make you a better athlete if your not a good athlete to begin with, roids aren't gonna get you stronger if you don't strength train and work really hard to get the benefits.

 

[guru1000]

But what of those who do take performance enhancing drugs? What are their reasons for doing so?

Why ruin your health? It makes absolutely no sense to me.

Juice and GH are addictive as in any other drug.

You are stronger, look better, more libido and enhanced mood.

Once you get off the cycle you don't quite look as good, not as strong, less libido and well being. It's no wonder many keep going back to it. It is addicting to LOOK and FEEL your best.

Moreover when you get off, your natural levels are depleted and take time to recover. At this stage, your libido and well being are at it's lowest. This is when you crave it the most.

This is the problem.

 

[Andromax]

Why ruin your health? It makes absolutely no sense to me.

There is plenty of evidence that shows certain performance enhancing drugs, used by people who know what they are doing, to do quite the opposite of ruining one's health.

Idiots that just take a bunch of juice not knowing what or how much of a certain chemical they are introducing and mixing it with others, well thats where the problems lie.

Yeah look at Jay Cutler and Ronnie Coleman.. damn they look sickly like cancer patients.

Look at Stalone who is like 61 years old, just admitted to using HGH (and testosterone if you read between the lines) he certainly ruined his health... :yawn:

Why not bash some smokers while you're at it, I may agree with your statements

 

[wolf116]

In a couple of years I will be cycling the gear.
I'm just so sick of training twice as hard as everyone for half the results.
I just want to be able to compete in MMA or rugby, be able to have a fast 100m time, be able to dunk a basket ball and be and look very strong.

I've started researching for when I start and if you know what you are doing, don't get addicted and get a doc to monitor you you should be quite healthy.

 

[KontrollerX]

If you know what you are doing you can minimize the risks but its important to know you can't eliminate negative consequences entirely.

A few years back Arnold had to get heart surgery that I doubt was a result of eating too much pizza and burgers.

 

[Being_the_Don]

If you know what you are doing you can minimize the risks but its important to know you can't eliminate negative consequences entirely.

A few years back Arnold had to get heart surgery that I doubt was a result of eating too much pizza and burgers.

I read that one of his daughters was born with a hole in her heart so it might be genetic.

 

[Being_the_Don]

I have yet to hear anyone in the pro juice camp say that athletes from decades past say 30-40 years ago juiced up. Juicing is a new phenomena, people don't know what the long term side effects will be. Yes, we know about some of them but people dismiss it. Lyle Alzado was pro football, he died of cancer about 15 years ago. I didn't know much about it back then it was so long ago but I do vagualy remember how wasted and emaciated he looked when he was dying. Prior to that he was pumped up, but it was the juice.

I heard a CNN news story about Stallone and other celebrities using HGH to look younger. But you can get anti-ageing benefits from anti-oxidants that naturally occur in foods. And build muscle from good nutrition, exercise and rest-that's what is touted here in H&F.

I dodn't judge people on what they want to do, but kids do look up to pro athletes as heroes you know. They set examples whether they want to or not. So why not set the best example possible?

Juicing just isn't it IMO.

I'll stick to my own power.

 

[TheSplat]

I am two weeks deep in a cycle of steroids right now and I gotta say, when I smoke a cigarette, it feels bad. When you're juicing, it feels GREAT!

If I stay up all night on a coke binge, I feel physically worse than before. Same with a cig, same with pot. But with steroids, you feel alpha male all the time, you feel healthy and capable. It's nice.

BTW, I don't do all those things together, most of them were phases in the past. But the juice is really neat, I highly suggest it.

 

[Drum&Bass]

I highly suggest it.

Why ??? there is nothing healthy about steroids, and you lose the muscle you build on roids when you come off of them.

 

[Andromax]

Why ??? there is nothing healthy about steroids, and you lose the muscle you build on roids when you come off of them.

Not to sound like a *******.. but what are you basing this statement on?

It is not true at all. Just because you don't like steroids doesn't mean they are evil. Who are you trying to convince of this?

Have you ever done them?

I have seen people do them that knew what they were doing and if they lost any muscle after they came off it, I sure as hell couldn't tell.

Someone lock this thread please.....

 

[Throttle]

if we're going to talk about being on them, that doesn't belong on this site, for a lot of reasons.

if we're going to talk about the 'controversy' that has gotten louder lately, that belongs in the 'anything else' forum.

 

[Mad Manic]

Why ??? there is nothing healthy about steroids, and you lose the muscle you build on roids when you come off of them.

True to an extent, moreso if someone takes a cop out by not training properly but using roids to get a good physique. Once they come off roids, growth hormone levels deplete quickly and muscle is lost. Happened to a guy in my gym, he shrunk quickly, he's back on them now though.

MM

 

[Tao walker 2005]

don't mess with your bio-chemistry out of sheer vanity! Just be content to work out hard and be the best you can be

 

[Birdem]

If steroids didn't have so many negative effects to your health. To be honest I have no clue why congress is even involved in this, if someone wants to use steroids and destory their bodies why should it be any of their business who uses and who doesnt. Bad thing about them is when you stop working out you lose most of the muscle you worked for..

 

[Quagmire911]

Thought this may be an interesting read for some:

http://www.ironaddicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2678

 

[Ken785]

In a couple of years I will be cycling the gear.
I'm just so sick of training twice as hard as everyone for half the results.
I just want to be able to compete in MMA or rugby, be able to have a fast 100m time, be able to dunk a basket ball and be and look very strong.

I've started researching for when I start and if you know what you are doing, don't get addicted and get a doc to monitor you you should be quite healthy.

wouldn't do that if i were you...i took em for 12 weeks...exploded but got major acne all over my face...i told myself id never do that to myself again...before i had perfect skin and get compliments on it...now i have acne scars that will never go away. :cuss: