The guy in Rihanna's "Take A Bow" song

[jafyk]

Ok, fellas I'm not talking about the actual guy in the video but what he represents. There's also a question in all of this so please bear with me and take the time to think about it before you respond.
The type of guy Rihanna is singing about seems to me a player or a DJ. My 2 questions is 1) if it's ok for guys to play women (spinning plates is it?) then why is it that Rihanna sounds hurt and she doesn't just see it as the dating game (2) Is this guy a DJ or an AFC? cos it seems he's trying to get the girl back after he got busted. I thought DJs walk away? What do you guys think?

 

[AKA FLEX]

Well he had enough of an effect on a chick like Rihanna for her to take the time to write a song about him, so I would say DJ.

 

[Ken785]

Well he had enough of an effect on a chick like Rihanna for her to take the time to write a song about him, so I would say DJ.

Actually, Rihanna did not write the song...singers like that have no real talent except for a voice. It was Ne-Yo that wrote that song...a dude.

 

[nismo-4]

Actually, Rihanna did not write the song...singers like that have no real talent except for a voice. It was Ne-Yo that wrote that song...a dude.

Ne-Yo, the same dude that wrote Beyonce's Irreplaceable.

 

[dannyegg4575]

of course she knows it's a dating game. she feels hurt because her emotions are running wild that someone was able to play her; when she is a player herself. Listen to her previous song, "Unfaithful".

All these songs are written to make women the weaker species, don't you get it? women love them because it helps their cause to have men provide/protect them. AFCs buy into them because we're always wanting to be "heroes" and save her day!

I mean, look at that cute girl, she's so innocent... blah. eat sh>t...

Don't buy into this crap. listen to rap songs about life or something useful...

continuously listening to this bullcrap will brainwash you subliminally.

 

[Warrior74]

Chic song, written by a symp, for chics and symps.

Let me ask you this....you ever have a female friend who told you all of her sob stories about how guys mistreated her? You ever end up talking to the dood and see how he sees her in a whole different light? Same thing. She cannot say she was being a *****, or she cheated or she was wrong, she has to be the victim and the winner by getting over him. She gets to play two roles which both earn her sympathy.

This is the musical equivalent of being an emotional tampon.

 

[jafyk]

Chic song, written by a symp, for chics and symps.

Let me ask you this....you ever have a female friend who told you all of her sob stories about how guys mistreated her? You ever end up talking to the dood and see how he sees her in a whole different light? Same thing. She cannot say she was being a *****, or she cheated or she was wrong, she has to be the victim and the winner by getting over him. She gets to play two roles which both earn her sympathy.

This is the musical equivalent of being an emotional tampon.

Wow, when I think of the response I've received to this thread. I'm starting to believe that when women accuse us guys of not paying attention, I'm starting to think it's true. Yeah, it's true Rihanna didn't write the song she only sings it so when someone responds to the songs like it was personally written by her...(anyway, you can't always know who writes these songs) I'm merely using this song as a case study. The song is sang in the first person to the guy. So, Warrior74 she was singing TO one guy and we have no proof that she cheated. If he cheated because she cheated then shouldn't she count her losses ? If she didn't cheat, which from the way the song goes it seems she didn't; isn't she the victim?
Ok, Warrior you're not totally wrong but do you know the one thing that baffles me is that why is it that women can never see themselves as being wrong? That stuff pisses me off. I was once involved with a married woman in a bad marriage, she said he husband was cheating on her, beating her etc. Yet, when he found out about her she still wanted to be the good gal who was entitled to do what she had done. She was pissed at the woman the husand had cheated with despite what she did for them. I'm thinking why would you be mad when you did the same thing.

 

[Warrior74]

Didn't mean to imply she cheated...what I'm saying is this, the song is from her point of view so automatically you don't know the whole story. I never buy a chic's story. I've been lied on too many times to every trust a chic's version of the story. My ex told so many lies on me, I just have to laugh at them when they come back. She had guys believing all sorts of stuff, but she never told them what she did. It's common behavior.

 

[jafyk]

Yea, many women are like the boy who cried wolf. When they are actually telling the truth you don't know what to believe anymore. It's sad that many men allow women to turn them against other men with this story. I somewhat believe that a lot of the abusve men today started out as well meaning people but got pushed to the limit by the frustrating women in their lives. We never hear all the story. I've heard a female friend tell me how she she hit her bf with a mallet. So, how are guys supposed to react? Some women and guys imply it's ok for a woman to hit a guy like guys don't feel pain too? This same girl I was talking about within a week of her husband dying she was moving in with the guy she had been cheating on him with ( the husband was in a foreign country trying to get back into US). She was willing to end our friendship because oneday she called me to come and her help her buy food because she was sick and she had a BF she lived with and I'm thinking isn't that what he's therefore? Anyway, we haven't spoken again. I think most times friendship with women is a one sided thing.

 

[schttrj]

Ok, fellas I'm not talking about the actual guy in the video but what he represents. There's also a question in all of this so please bear with me and take the time to think about it before you respond.
The type of guy Rihanna is singing about seems to me a player or a DJ. My 2 questions is 1) if it's ok for guys to play women (spinning plates is it?) then why is it that Rihanna sounds hurt and she doesn't just see it as the dating game (2) Is this guy a DJ or an AFC? cos it seems he's trying to get the girl back after he got busted. I thought DJs walk away? What do you guys think?

ok, im not a master dj but this is what i'd do:

im not going to apologise for i see other girls as long as im not that committed to her. i will never chase her. if she wants to be with me, then i will be there for her. otherwise, shut the Fck off!

and regarding the woman that rihanna represents, trust is a big part of the game. remember, rapport = trust + comfort. rapport + connection = seduction. so, if you break the equation, you are not a good player then. if you are not a good player, women will leave you unless you start kissing their ass and cling on to them.

 

[chinwaggler]

Media is all AFC. Movies, songs, books. Don't pay attention other than for entertainment.

 

[ChrizZ]

It´s all brainwashing.

You have to realize that the vast majority of people aren´t smarter than a tomato.

 

[SinJester]

You will only hurt a girl if you tell her that it's an exclusive relationship (or rather fail to tell her it's not) and then you do something with another girl. I would never do that. If you want to spin plated you have to make it clear you are spinning plates.

 

[shaunuk]

It´s all brainwashing.

You have to realize that the vast majority of people aren´t smarter than a tomato.

haha

SinJester is right, but even so, a girl who likes you probably doesn't like the idea of you spinning plates in any case. She might secretly like your ability to do it (i.e. you can get girls), but she'd rather you have her instead.

 

[Nighthawk]

It's just another female-empowering/male-denigrating pop song.

You never ever hear a woman singing a positive song about a man. And most songs by men (outside of hip-hop) are about what a loser they are and how they would do anything for some girl they have on a pedestal and have maybe never even spoken to.

 

[jafyk]

It's just another female-empowering/male-denigrating pop song.

You never ever hear a woman singing a positive song about a man. And most songs by men (outside of hip-hop) are about what a loser they are and how they would do anything for some girl they have on a pedestal and have maybe never even spoken to.

NightHawk, I agree in part to what you're saying but I don't see any female empowering in that song. It's a song sang on a first person basis. Like you and I having a one on one conversation. Some female songs do sing about how they can't be without a guy bla bla... However, I'm more irritated by songs from these males singers about how they don't deserve a female and how they'd do anything for her etc. Which sounds so AFC. I think most of these songs are fantasies because when you look at these musicians' lives they probably don't find it hard meeting with the opposite sex.
What you should notice more is all these sexist commercials being played on tv where a woman comes up with a bright idea and suggests it to her dumb man. Others show men acting like cluts (is that how you spell it?) Like those Arby's commercials, or the one that says "men have their idea of freshening up..."

 

[OneEyedJack]

Shoop by Salt N Pepa and Candyman by Christina Aquilera were both positive songs sung by women and in the same pop category as Rihanna.

 

[Nighthawk]

Well Shoop (and What A Man) was about 15 years ago...

It's empowering to women in that she's dumping him.

 

[jafyk]

Well Shoop (and What A Man) was about 15 years ago...

It's empowering to women in that she's dumping him.

Nighthawk duh? Some times I think a lot of us guys here are hypocrites. If you found a girl was cheating on you would dumping her be empowering guys?????????????????????? Anyway, lol, it's a nice song. I like the song for the way it's written not the subject matter per say. It's the poetic and dramatic way the writer makes the cheater look like some emmy award winning cheat etc.

 

[Nighthawk]

In itself it's fine. Cheaters should get dumped. But it forms a pattern with all the other songs that women sing about men these days. The men are lying dogs (like this one), they are crap (Lily Allen, Kate Nash, etc) or they are unnecessary because the woman is so independent. Never a good thing to be cherished.

At least with someone like Amy Winehouse she admits the problem is her.

And yes, if a man sang about dumping a bad gf, it would be empowering to some men in a similar situation who might lack the guts to do the right thing.