The Gunwitch Method

[Drow]

This is a MUST read..

It opened my eyes and should be read by everyone.

I'm not an advocator of SS, but most of what he talks about doesn't directly involve that.

Anyways, without further delay:

The Gunwitch Method


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.Drow

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You are what you make your self.

 

[djakapua]

Yeah, gunwitch nows his stuff. The Fast Seduction board is the place to be if you want to be a true "player." There are fewer bull****ters over there and they truly elevate your game. For some reason I can't log on anymore though... oh well.


[This message has been edited by djakapua (edited 12-12-2002).]

 

[epitome of evolution]

BUMP

GWM is one of the best things going for me right now. It IS a Must Read.

What it is is tapping into a very strong sexual state. You begin to exhibit more sexual and confident body language, and the girls cannot help but catch on and end up matching your state.

I can't sum it up in only 2 sentances. You'll have to read to learn the rest.

 

[copeland]

I’m not too crazy about gunwitch. That whole article is simply a bunch of unnecessary word usage and self-limiting rules and concepts that some guy came up with. He might have even ‘borrowed’ some ideas from some of his asf buddies that think they know so much. That alone would be enough of a reason to dismiss his method in general. Sure he makes some points that are noteworthy but his views on them are nothing out of the ordinary.

Here’s one of his quotes from section 3:

“Attempting to seduce women while in the company of others, her friends, your friends, and other people in general is often a dumb idea.”

That tells you a lot about how he gets his women (if in fact he even does). Most of these wanna-be gurus, like mystery and all them are simply online posting specialists. They make up rules that, even when exhibiting a certain degree of flexibility, are still self-defeating. They confine you to certain actions and views and prevent the individual from thinking for himself. Most of the people you think are ‘experts’ over there at asf, are really just tainted perspectives that are trying to prove other people’s views.

 

[Luscious]

I'm a supporter of Gunwitch method.

I haven't had a large amount of quality time to employ it, but in the limited circumstances when I have, you can really start snowplowing right through a lot of your own mental barriers to getting women.

I especially like how most of the focus is not on the actual conversation per se, but more on how you DELIVER your statements and how you ACT and use BODY LANGUAGE. I've found that incorporating some of this thinking into my regular mindset has increased my success rate.

 

[Ricky]

Not too bad, i found myself agreeing with more of it then not based on some of my own experiences.

One take home message is, if all possible close the deal that night. I have had success with numbers and then meeting a girl, but closing the deal that night has created the best success.

 

[uniassign]

GWM is good. I usually employ it at the closing stage of the game, when I am ready to mate. I wouldn't use it to OPEN or during the middle stages of the sarge when I am trying to gain rapport and demonstrate value to a chick/her friends.

I do not agree that sarging in front of her friends is a dumb idea. Sometimes the BEST women are surrounded by groups of people, and waiting until she is alone is a waste of time. IMO any AFC can sarge lone wolves, they are not hard. It is like shooting at stationary targets, you don't have any distractions or obstacles.

Most of the people you think are ‘experts’ over there at asf, are really just tainted perspectives that are trying to prove other people’s views.

I have actually been out with a couple of the ASFers. Some of them are AWESOME. You have no idea what good is until you have seen Mystery, Style, TD or Papa. I wouldn't so easily dismiss what they say until you have seen them WORK.

 

[ZeeOwl]

I read it. It's an interesting take on seduction. I'm a long time AFC Shy Nice Guy who's beginning to see the light here on SoSuave. Been reading the board for a few months, and started trying things a few week ago. So far, looks promising. There's one thing that 'bugs' me about GunWitch. Wouldn't this approach make you come off as a desperate horny loser (which I think is even WORSE than AFC Shy Nice Guy)? Especially the bit about pushing her until she gives you a clear verbal "No!". Women talk, right? Even lone wolves have friends... I would never try this in my home town, that's for sure! lol Guess I'm uncomfortable with such an aggresive approach. You guys that have some experience with this; what's your perspective?

 

[epitome of evolution]

ZeeOwl- You don't come off as a horny, desperate loser. So long as you don't verbalize desparation or act desperate. Sexual state is natural, and extreme sexual state is even more powerful.

Even if you have a relatively bad reaction, you can turn it around. Just know that a clear No does mean No.

I'm from a large city. I guess if you're in a small city, word might spread around, but I don't know. Never been there.

One thing I can tell you, though, is that GWM has worked for me in getting girls into sexual state. I generally find that used in an appropriate manner, sexual state projection works wonders.




Dealing with friends, I would have to say, is sometimes a huge hassle. After having trouble with most groups while at dances/clubs, and on the subway, I now sarge mainly lone wolves. But sometimes, depending on the make of the group, I find that a group sarge can be fun and can work out well.

 

[copeland]

“IMO any AFC can sarge lone wolves, they are not hard. It is like shooting at stationary targets, you don't have any distractions or obstacles.” –uni

Picking up women who are in groups is usually easier than in solo situations. There are more people to speak to and more people that speak. It creates the illusion of having a greater amount of rapport. One of the best advantages is the positive impression the women get of you. It’s like shooting at targets that are bunched together; you’re bound to hit one of them.


“You have no idea what good is until you have seen Mystery, Style, TD or Papa. I wouldn't so easily dismiss what they say until you have seen them WORK.”-uni

Some of my friends are some of the best in the game. I learned a lot by being around them--watching and participating. So I definitely know what good is.

I’ve read about Mystery and his primary gimmicks seem to be to ‘peacock’ and draw attention to himself as well as use magic. Peacocking by dressing a bit flashier or more formal is okay, even though I don’t, but overdoing it is not (as in dressing totally gothic like he likes to do). Magic is another means by where he cries for attention. There’s absolutely no need to use any magic when picking up women. He seems to be more into sneaky gimmicks than the actual pickup process itself. I’m positive I don’t need to see him in action before I discredit his tricks.

The other people I don’t really know much about, so I can’t really comment on them individually. I was stating that many of the perspectives on the asf board have been biasedly influenced. The perspectives over there aren’t as fresh as they are over here on this site.

 

[uniassign]

The perspectives over there aren’t as fresh as they are over here on this site.

I think there are different focal points. I get the impression that the posters here are more into the LTR and the passive seduction, whereas the ASFers are more into the ONS and the active seduction where they actually GO and GET the chicks.

Of course, I am making sweeping general statements here. No need to point out individual differences.

 

[ZeeOwl]

Thanks for the feedback epitome of evolution.

The town I live in has a population of about 100,000. Next time I'm in Montreal, I might give this a try. Just to see how it goes...

When I mentioned friends, I mean't that even women who show up alone in a bar have friends. As in: if you make a fool of yourself, word will spread. I wasn't talking about approaching a group of girls.

 

[emotionlikeafuneral]

Originally posted by copeland
I’m not too crazy about gunwitch. That whole article is simply a bunch of unnecessary word usage and self-limiting rules and concepts that some guy came up with. He might have even ‘borrowed’ some ideas from some of his asf buddies that think they know so much. That alone would be enough of a reason to dismiss his method in general. Sure he makes some points that are noteworthy but his views on them are nothing out of the ordinary.

Here’s one of his quotes from section 3:

“Attempting to seduce women while in the company of others, her friends, your friends, and other people in general is often a dumb idea.”

That tells you a lot about how he gets his women (if in fact he even does). Most of these wanna-be gurus, like mystery and all them are simply online posting specialists. They make up rules that, even when exhibiting a certain degree of flexibility, are still self-defeating. They confine you to certain actions and views and prevent the individual from thinking for himself. Most of the people you think are ‘experts’ over there at asf, are really just tainted perspectives that are trying to prove other people’s views.

you really have NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. Walk the walk before you talk the talk. Go sarging with mystery and you wiull get the real answer.

 

[johnnyboy101]

The perspectives over there (mASF0 aren’t as fresh as they are over here on this site.

There are plenty of perspectives here - however most of them are not field tested.

I get the impression that the posters here are more into the LTR and the passive seduction, whereas the ASFers are more into the ONS and the active seduction where they actually GO and GET the chicks.

Fine description of the situation. mASF is a bootcamp, DJ is a therapy group. The one thing I love about mASF is that the guys tell you exactly what they think - mASF is about taking vigorous and active control of yourself when dealing with women, DJ seems completely undecided about where it wants to be.

There is some good stuff here, but most of it is virginity-celebrating approach-nervousness crap. Debate at mASF is far more brutal and honest - check out the brilliant discussions and field-testing of pAImAI there at the moment.

There's one thing that 'bugs' me about GunWitch. Wouldn't this approach make you come off as a desperate horny loser (which I think is even WORSE than AFC Shy Nice Guy)?

Why not try thinking about your own actions, rather than worrying how someone else will react to them. Very beta.

That statement also demonstrates that you have not understood the principle properly.

GWM is good. I usually employ it at the closing stage of the game, when I am ready to mate. I wouldn't use it to OPEN or during the middle stages of the sarge when I am trying to gain rapport and demonstrate value to a chick/her friends.

It's good that you're finding use from the theory - it is the most dynamic and creative I've ever read or tried, not to mention the most successful. But try it at the start and see what a difference it makes....

85% of all communication is non-verbal, through body language and voice tonality. GWM is the only seduction method to address this, and renders SS, etc, pretty meaningless.

 

[HappyHobo]

No question. No doubt. A MUST READ.

This is probably the best information on sexuality i have read in so far of my visits here on the DJ forum.

GWM method emphasizes the embracement of sexuality like no other post i have read on here. All in all it is a wonderful piece of work.

I commend Drow for bringing this to us. Thank You

 

[PowerEgo]

gwm is the secret of the universe