The Future of Game - Flaking

[Colossus]

Lot of great points made in this thread. It's a timely topic.

My take:

Flaking is a part of the game now whether you like it or not. There are a lot of reasons for it, but unless you are a top 5% earner like Guru pointed out, you are going to have to set your own bar as to what you will tolerate and what you will NEXT for.

To me flaking is a preemptive weed-out mechanism. It simply means low interest, 9 times out of 10. The reason for the low interest is irrelevant! I dont believe in trying to conjure up interest with clever game tactics and timed responses. Either they like you or they dont. NEXTing has nothing to do with teaching them a lesson--that will never happen. It's about self-respect. Obviously we should always be working on improving our social game, but that does not mean trying to micromanage each encounter so you can augment interest. There is nothing masculine about that, and if you're doing it you give too much of a fvck.

I see where Roosh is going with his prognosticating but I also think he's coming from a player's perspective. I'm with Kailex here---if a great night and a kiss isnt enough to land a second date, the interest isnt there. I think a big part of this is realizing you are not a scrub and you're worth a damn. You dont need to bang a girl to land a second date...does anyone else see how ridiculous that sounds?? We're not fvcking desperados here.

 

[Solomon]

Great Synergy

Stoically walking away or NEXTing a flake isn't enough. You're not going to teach a flake a lesson when she has 6 more guys lined up and all willing to put up with her flakiness if they think it means they have a shot at ƒucking her.

What I thought was interesting s the 1st night lay = non-flake first date proposition. This doesn't sit well with AFCs because a 1st night lay or an ONS is too foreign an idea for most of them. However, now the prediction is for this to be a matter of course to GET a first date. "Rollo, I'm sick of all these flaky attention whøres, how do I reduce their flakiness?", "ƒuck her the night you meet her." Hahah,..

I have a theory even prior before game, that it takes 3 solid bangs for a women to become truly emotional attached/invested in you. This theory developed because I would bang a chick twice but never get the third bang and the chick would just "disappear" were a chick who i banged 3 times, would be around for awhile(well more then a week anyway lol), and now I believe it more then ever.

Am I the only one who sees this as a good thing?

Maybe it's the eternal optimist in me, but I'd much rather get flaked on earlier than later. It's a way for women to weed THEMSELVES out FOR ME.

Of course, as Rollo says... the AFC won't see it this way and will cry all the way to their box of tissues.

Hey, if kissing someone on the first date and having a good time doesn't get me a second date... I'm better off without that person.
Right now kissing means nothing. Women kiss each other all the time and it doesn't mean they are necessarily going out.

The mindset of "I kissed her, I'm in" is a mindset that's abandoned NOW. Of course, most of us see this ALREADY, but Roosh is talking about a broader audience who DON'T see it yet.

If anything, I'm happy this is the norm. Let them weed themselves out on their own. I don't have to do the work nor spend the money unnecessarily.

I guarantee most of the men posting in this thread already know that you don't date women you don't fvck first, but is it the same in Don Juan Discussion? Of course not.

I agree with that, the chicks that I was in serious relationships with the last few years. I didn't bang right away what so ever. I loath flaking Kailex, to combat this, I would "Paul Janka-them-broads" meaning that I would Stack dates. I remember in the month of June i was stacking 3 dates. So let's say Tuesday I wanted to hang out with a chick, If I had 2 others I would stack. Sure enough 2 would flake and one would respond or in one week all three flaked. You get the idea, however if you don't have many plates(like I have had mostly this year) this can make it difficult, flaking to me is rude period.

Soloman, what's up pal?

It certainly does. Depending on the age demographics involved, it is a fact that men with annual incomes over 250k+, in most areas will rarely, if ever, see a flake. I won't make references to celebrities, politicians and media figures, whereas most of us don't fall into these categories. However, if you are over the age of 30 and experiencing many flakes, this is an indication of your present earnings or earning potential. This may appall some men; however, its a reality you can control and are not slave to.

If you want to stop flakes, earn more; otherwise, take Mr. P's advice.

Guru good to see that you still post (any new experiences or theories? I would love to read them) 250K+? I think a guy who made 50K with low debt, in great shape, in my town would be raking them in effortlessly. So I take my previous comment back on high status, but I can't lie, I'm all for the "poor gamer" winning as well. Realistically speaking your right high status does help, but so does tight game.

On another note, what's popular right now in other forums and especially in the Blog's-a-sphere is Mass text messaging, basically the idea is that if a girl flakes on you, you. You save her number and text her a month later for a drink or something. If she refuses you rinse and repeat until she does or if she doesn't you get rid of her number. According to bloggers this should be done as an "afterthought" while your still getting new chicks/numbers and that if you catch a chick at the right time, she may be more receptive towards you then a previous time in her life i.e. maybe she was banging an x, career etc.

I personal tried it for a month and it was a waste of time, Initial high interest says a lot. Guru said it best, to many guys are "chasing" med-low interested chicks hence all the threads in the main discussion. Once I realized this (yeah it took me two years) It helps to deal with these women accordingly.

My take with flakes is, if a chick flakes, she has to make it up a 110%. Anything less would be a waste of my time, I had a chick flake on me earlier this year because her sump-pump overflowed in her basement, to make it up to me she brought me some apple pie and a bottle of Grey goose(granted she was older, a 21 year old would never do such a thing, and if she did would bring wine coolers lol) a low interested chick would whine at the thought of having "to make it up to me" cause it wasn't her "fault" and the entitled attitude(especially if she is younger)

To put it simply Jophill said it best

All I can say is this - do NOT reward a woman who flakes on you with a second chance to do it again. .

p.s. However this is a situational basis, and if you do give her a second chance, do so on your own accord.

 

[azanon]

I essentially reject that article. To generalize it, it is saying the cards are stacked against men, and are in women's favor. I just don't see it that way at all. There's still more women than men, and we have just as much potential to be desirable to them, as them to us.

The OP, for whatever reason, has taken a large interest in beliefs that women have the upper hand. I believe the last post I saw him make, that I commented on, related to a claim that women don't want sex as much as us. Now, it seems we have a belief that they don't want us, period, as much as we do them. I guess the trend has to stop here since this one seems all-encompassing. Sorry if I sound harsh, RT, but this is my way of showing respect.

If women really are more prone to flake now than they were before, then TOUGH LOSS for them, AFAIK. I can't speak for another man, but a woman is a fool not to see me as highly valuable. And if you can't say the same about yourself, men, then you need to work on that. It is our job to make sure that only foolish women flake on us. I'm married, but I still see TONS of hot women everywhere. Only water is more plentiful.

I'm all for a quick f-close. The reason I am is because I like to f***. I'll be damned if I'm going to start worrying about having to f*** close because they might leave me, or because I might not get a first date. These are the concerns of the AFC. I hear about these concerns, but I don't identify with them. I wonder if we can get this post transferred to Loveshack where it belongs. Again, harsh I know, but I have a reputation to live up to.

I'm out.

- Azanon

 

[Solomon]

I essentially reject that article. To generalize it, it is saying the cards are stacked against men, and are in women's favor. I just don't see it that way at all. There's still more women than men, and we have just as much potential to be desirable to them, as them to us.

The OP, for whatever reason, has taken a large interest in beliefs that women have the upper hand. I believe the last post I saw him make, that I commented on, related to a claim that women don't want sex as much as us. Now, it seems we have a belief that they don't want us, period, as much as we do them. I guess the trend has to stop here since this one seems all-encompassing. Sorry if I sound harsh, RT, but this is my way of showing respect.

If women really are more prone to flake now than they were before, then TOUGH LOSS for them, AFAIK. I can't speak for another man, but a woman is a fool not to see me as highly valuable. And if you can't say the same about yourself, men, then you need to work on that. It is our job to make sure that only foolish women flake on us. I'm married, but I still see TONS of hot women everywhere. Only water is more plentiful.

I'm all for a quick f-close. The reason I am is because I like to f***. I'll be damned if I'm going to start worrying about having to f*** close because they might leave me, or because I might not get a first date. These are the concerns of the AFC. I hear about these concerns, but I don't identify with them. I wonder if we can get this post transferred to Loveshack where it belongs. Again, harsh I know, but I have a reputation to live up to.

I'm out.

- Azanon

Pook is that you?

:rockon:

 

[synergy1]

What I thought was interesting s the 1st night lay = non-flake first date proposition. This doesn't sit well with AFCs because a 1st night lay or an ONS is too foreign an idea for most of them. However, now the prediction is for this to be a matter of course to GET a first date. "Rollo, I'm sick of all these flaky attention whøres, how do I reduce their flakiness?", "ƒuck her the night you meet her." Hahah,..

I find going for the lay on the first night is somewhat difficult, even if you get the kiss and go home with them. Maybe it has to do with my locale, the venues of choice, and/or my game but it seems that most women don't want to give it up on the first night. My rule of thumb is that if the chick holds out with the sex on the first few encounters, she is likely vieing for ones interest on a longer term. I honestly have no problem with this unless the women is leveraging her holding out to try and manipulate you, but within my experiences, those chicks are actually very cool and respectful; this last chick I am dating actually pays for my **** sometimes without a hitch.

regarding the topic at hand, the premise makes sense. More fat chicks, fewer good looking women coupled with more and more guys getting those "good" jobs appears to create the dynamic you mentioned. However, I contend that a loser will always be a loser regardless of what fancy degree or title they own. A number of years ago, I was hitting on a cute chick who's boyfriend graduated from Harvard and was more successful than I was. She seemed receptive of my advances to boot, so much so that her room mate had to intervene. ( I am not a home wrecker, it just sort of happened) Basically it comes down to this..the ratio of the number of guys who do have it vs the number of guys who don't have it probably won't change all that much.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

I essentially reject that article. To generalize it, it is saying the cards are stacked against men, and are in women's favor.

I'm not ready to dismiss Roosh's article wholesale, but I will say that it's not my estimation at all that women categorically have the upper hand in terms of sexual selection. Not by a long shot. If they did there'd be no need for the myriad number of social conventions they rely upon.

I don't think that Roosh's fortune telling is gloom and doom either. He's simply illustrating how intergender game is evolving. Obviously the trends and behaviors of the 60s & 70s morphed into those of the 80s & 90s. Intergender relations and the accompanying societal expectations are always in flux, but I see no reason to think Roosh's predictions mean it's all over for guys. It just shows a need to adapt.

As technology expands (social networking for example) women are finding new avenues to satisfy their attention cravings. They're vicariously living more and more in the virtual than the actual, and finding an ability to really connect becomes blurred. In the future, Game is going to have to develop ways to break into that blurring and leave a lasting impression in the "real world". Depending upon the circumstances, a first night lay should leave a lasting impression, but this illustrates the bigger point in that women are becoming increasingly less receptive and responsive to anything less than a sufficiently immediate shock to their dulling sensibilities. A woman outright flaking on a guy is now met with no more concern than if she'd unfriended or put someone on ignore on Face Book. That's the association now, while at the same time she's receiving positive reinforcement from any number of virtual sources online.

 

[Forty0ztoFreedom]

Honestly? I may be more comfortable with this. I've always haaaated the community idea of a "day 2", going mini-golfing or meeting for coffee and all that fakeness. If my goal is to fvck the girl by the end of the night, sure it may be harder and there's less girls to text on your phone, but its much more black-and-white without any worry about the first call/text,flaking,etc.

Let the girls wonder why nobody takes them on 'dates' anymore.

 

[synergy1]

However, if you subscribe to the belief (as I do), that this same girl has in all likelihood done at least one ONS.......or given head to a hot guy she just met........or did any such thing for the Alpha she has been pining for during a several month period......then one only needs to step back and recognize that the simple act of making you wait IS MANIPULATION.

She is manipulating your perception of her because she knows that if you find out she has done those things before, you will consider her a slut and thus find her less valuable. This is one of a woman's greatest fears. To be discovered as a slut, and treated only as a slut and to forever be skunked out of having an LTR. She will not be able to have her cake and eat it too.

This is also one of the many reasons we never ask "how many have you slept with". She will never tell the truth, so why bother?

Funny you mention that. I talked to my ex after we stopped dating and the topic of ONS came up. She said she tried one but felt uncomfortable with it and hasn't done it since. Could it be a lie? Who knows. No real reason too though so I'd say there is some merit to what she said.

I agree with you that keeping the sexual history to ones self is ideal within the context of a relationship. Their relationships from the past is their business, and I don't really care. Likewise, the topic comes up and I seldom talk about it. The chick I am dating now I think is trying to get a feel if I am a player or not because the question of my longest relationship came up.

You got the right idea, don't tell her how many you have slept with. Even with good friends, I keep it on the DL and only suggest as to what happens, rarely actually state. if anything, this forum probably hears more than my friends...but you guys don't know me

 

[Nutz]

The Future of Game

Interesting (and probably upsetting) predictions here from Roosh.

Considering the amount of "how to deal with flaking women" threads I read here, this is really going to set the frustrated guys into a tailspin:

1. Hot chicks and even mediocere chicks are going to be near impossible to lock down. Roissy expanded on this topic yesterday.

2. I can see the having to screw them to get a date becoming a normal thing. Actually, it kinda already is with hookup culture. Bang first, date second if you think they're someone you want a repeat performance with.

3. The whole monogamy thing I don't know about. I think 1on1 will still be the same, but I don't think people will continue being monogamous. If anything I foresee serial monogamy becoming the norm, if it's not already here.

4. Game is already becoming a requisite thing. If you don't have it you're just going to get left in the dust. Even that may not be enough with the above factors kicking into high gear.

Bottom line, women have ego overload these days with the advent of social networking and internet dating. Combined with the level of competition skyrocketing (via Game) and it's going to be a tough thing getting into and maintaining a relationship with YOUNG + HOT women.

 

[nismo-4]

Judge nismo has reviewed this case and he has found & observed that this theory is already happening.

If you show high value or are known thereof, women won't or hardly ever flake on you. Do you think a girl would flake on Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise or Denzel or Usher? Hell no! Do you think she'll flake on a the 75 year old who looks like J. Howard Marshall? Hell no! Do you think she'll flake on John McCain? Hell no!

I'd rather a girl flake early than late, so that I can move on quicker on the upside of this. It also means you need to raise your value higher which you should be doing anyway.

But I do know that these days that women have been given so much value they have so many damn options, even that HB 1 who sits in the corner playing World of Warcraft. So many damn desperate males in this world and women get so much choosing power because of it! Nowadays, women think they're entitled to the highest quality men.

Women size men up via first glance. What does he do? How well known is he? What does he drive? How much money does he make? All kinds of questions! It's like a real estate appraisal process. The higher your value the better. Look what happened to Mark Zuckerberg. Now that he's high on the totem pole, he's got it to a point where he hardly needs game to get chicks. Same with Bill Gates.

When I go out to clubs and parties, I see guys who drive rented Bentleys, (You scream money in New Orleans by doing this) guys who have their sisters, cousins, or own mother as arm candy, guys who wear fake rolexes, omega watches, (Cost about $100 each BTW, I had two of these cuz I had da hookup) platinum chains, etc. BECAUSE THEY ARE WELL AWARE OF THIS! Case and point, I drove a 1998 Nissan Sentra and when it was stock, I hardly got a glance. When I pimped it out, I turned heads, women were more receptive to me, and I got phone #'s from them on the road and some of these turned to make-out sessions and sex by Lake Pontchartrain! Sometimes, their moms wanted some action from me! All because I looked like I had money and options.

It seems like there is a screening process too. If you meet the standards of her friends, you're in there like swimwear. If not, then you've got an uphill battle. Always have something to offer. Some people are born with the ability to get girls. Some people are born with the looks, money, and fame that attracts girls. Some had to learn it. Some had access to drugs.Some can't get a girl at all. Some guys aren't meant to be in relationships or have a woman. Some guys don't know a woman's love from a Pop-Tart! Chose which one you want to be.

Women lie, guys lie. Just play the damn game. It's like Final Fantasy II. Earn experience, fight your battles, level up, and learn new techniques. You need some kind of game to get chicks.

 

[Jitterbug]

This is hardly anything new. Keep in mind that Roosh meets girls at clubs. It was already old knowledge when I first started learning Game that as you meet chicks at clubs - where everyone's tipsy and everything's shiny - that you should escalate to at least making out, but preferably more, if you want to see her again. And don't bother with numbers if you haven't got anywhere physical.

If I have to work that hard (like some of the guys here suggest) to get a Western woman, I might as well move overseas where that hard work will actually land me a decent girl.

Geez, if we all work that hard in other things than chasing women, we'd all be those $250K+ guys that guru1000 brought up.

 

[sharkbeat]

It is already happening. Getting numbers is easy. Fvcking is a whole nother story.

Time to step up the game, boys.

 

[Trader]

The dirty truth of game is how often flaking occurs, and it will happen at such a frustrating level that I’m certain more men will turn into homosexuals or resort to sex dolls because of it.

Flaking is not a big deal, I've had girls flake on me before, so what?

This feature alone will cut the game careers short of many men who simply can’t handle the frustration and rejection. You’ll have to really want it to succeed.

If you can't even handle rejection or flaking, you should not even be in the game

 

[Warrior74]

This. This has been my experience in the last two years. Dates are for chics you have already fvcked. I've said it a few times before and dammit if I don't believe it now.

I'll expand on this. Most of the girls I dated in the last few years have not been cold approaches. They either were in my social circle or brought into my social circle by other girls. Also they would attend events and outings that the group would have. So in retrospect, we had already been in a fun safe environment where everyone was talking and getting to know each other. I never took any of them on a "date" ie. traditional date before I ****ed, nor after until they started to complain about it.

 

[bam bam]

Interesting post/read.

My thoughts are that people are looking way too much into this. Very true that women have more ways to satisfy their egos then before but with that in mind let’s not forget that back in the 80’s 90’s cell phones were not as cheap/around. What does that mean you ask? Well consider a woman giving out her number right after a guy bought her a drink at a night club. This dude now has her home number what right minded person wants some guy who she knows nothing about calling her home where her family lives. What reactions would be given by the family if she had 30 guys call her a day on their home line? Women choose more carefully to give out their number so you did not get a number as easily but when you go it the contact was solid because she trusted you enough that she’s cool with you talking to her family.

Cell numbers you can get if you just say hi can I have your number. If you do it with decent confidence and a smile, unless your some sort of monster lookalike. What does that mean though? Some woman who has no information about you gave you her number. Why would she not flake? Why would she not respond to your cheesy thought out cool/cute message? She doesn’t give a rat’s ass about you or know you for that matter. The issue at hand is guys are so focused on getting the contact that they fail to actually get to know the person and have a connection with them. People flake/ignore people they don’t know/ don’t like just because she told you she works at a bank or that she goes to school and to the gym DOES NOT MEAN THERE IS A CONNECTION. That just means you know a couple things about her. The guys on this site are failing to realize what a connection with a person is… It’s not just shallow boring convo it has dynamics in it e.g (humor, anger, anxiety, comfort) to name a few. If she is responding to you like a telemarketer to a cold caller then what do you expect. That paragraph she told you she just told 20 guys before you what makes you different than those chumps? They got her number also and? Think guys it just simply does not add up that she doesn’t flake on you unless your providing her with economical benefits.

Commenting on this whole idea of sleeping on the first meeting is a joke. Who is this clown that writes this junk? Since when are social interactions static? We can’t generalize everyone into one category and simply leave it at that. He is right in a way because it is easier to sleep with a woman at a club when you meet her there and have a good time because her buying temperature is higher. But regardless of this if you can’t establish a good social interaction you won’t be getting laid either. If you’ve bought her a drink and danced for five minute with her knowing nothing about her why would you want to date her? So you’ve spent all night talking to her having drinks dancing and then end up sleeping with her. Would she not give you a first date if she had a blast partying with you? Woman love having an amazing time with a guy they get along with so regardless she will give you a first date if you’ve connected that well with her. If it’s the first situation who wants to date a woman you know nothing about that keeps her legs open like she’s got a rash. Personally I get worried about woman that put out that quick. I’d rather pay for a hooker who at least uses jimmy’s each time she works then some random women I know nothing about wanting to get ****ed because I cracked one joke and bought her a drink. I’m a charming guy but I do know I’m no different from the rest on the surface from any other charming guy. Chances are if it’s that easy for me there are plenty of other guys that have ran over her.

As for the topic of reducing flaking by manipulation. Who has the time for that garbage? Why would you put aside even 30 minutes of your time to go out with a person who you don’t get along with. I feel that as a total waste of life. You don’t get along with her guys… kick her in the **** and meet someone who you have a good time with. If you’re trying to get laid don’t waste time picking up women get hooker. It’s sooo much more effective than texting 20 women daily going on ****ty dates and sitting there bored out of your mind wanting to put a bullet in your head. Top it all off by not even getting laid most of the time. Respect your time and yourself. Don’t go on these random bull**** dates because you’re lonely or desperate for a kiss on the ****. Your time is precious life gradually disappears on all of us. I’d hate to look back realizing I’ve wasted a few months/years of my life sitting in a bar/coffee shop listening to some person who bores/annoys me because I wanted a blow job or a **** and missed out on doing something I put aside cause I was wasting time on ****ty dates. Cherish yourselves guys enjoy your life do what turns your crank don’t spend your youth chasing some ideal of being a PUA. These guys are chumps that write well while talking out of their ass. Find out what works for you and do it but don’t live life a certain way because someone makes it seem like that’s the life for you.

If you’re getting a lot of flakes in your life tighten up your pre-requisites for who your number closing and asking out on dates. This isn’t rocket science guys it doesn’t need to be overanalyzed. Your time is precious you date women who you look forward to spending time with because of who they are. Do not spend your time getting flustered when a women who you know nothing about flake on you.

 

[jophil28]

Interesting post/read.

My thoughts are that people are looking way too much into this. Very true that women have more ways to satisfy their egos then before but with that in mind let’s not forget that back in the 80’s 90’s cell phones were not as cheap/around. What does that mean you ask? Well consider a woman giving out her number right after a guy bought her a drink at a night club. This dude now has her home number what right minded person wants some guy who she knows nothing about calling her home where her family lives. What reactions would be given by the family if she had 30 guys call her a day on their home line? Women choose more carefully to give out their number so you did not get a number as easily but when you go it the contact was solid because she trusted you enough that she’s cool with you talking to her family.

Cell numbers you can get if you just say hi can I have your number. If you do it with decent confidence and a smile, unless your some sort of monster lookalike. What does that mean though? Some woman who has no information about you gave you her number. Why would she not flake? Why would she not respond to your cheesy thought out cool/cute message? She doesn’t give a rat’s ass about you or know you for that matter. The issue at hand is guys are so focused on getting the contact that they fail to actually get to know the person and have a connection with them. People flake/ignore people they don’t know/ don’t like just because she told you she works at a bank or that she goes to school and to the gym DOES NOT MEAN THERE IS A CONNECTION. That just means you know a couple things about her. The guys on this site are failing to realize what a connection with a person is… It’s not just shallow boring convo it has dynamics in it e.g (humor, anger, anxiety, comfort) to name a few. If she is responding to you like a telemarketer to a cold caller then what do you expect. That paragraph she told you she just told 20 guys before you what makes you different than those chumps? They got her number also and? Think guys it just simply does not add up that she doesn’t flake on you unless your providing her with economical benefits.

Commenting on this whole idea of sleeping on the first meeting is a joke. Who is this clown that writes this junk? Since when are social interactions static? We can’t generalize everyone into one category and simply leave it at that. He is right in a way because it is easier to sleep with a woman at a club when you meet her there and have a good time because her buying temperature is higher. But regardless of this if you can’t establish a good social interaction you won’t be getting laid either. If you’ve bought her a drink and danced for five minute with her knowing nothing about her why would you want to date her? So you’ve spent all night talking to her having drinks dancing and then end up sleeping with her. Would she not give you a first date if she had a blast partying with you? Woman love having an amazing time with a guy they get along with so regardless she will give you a first date if you’ve connected that well with her. If it’s the first situation who wants to date a woman you know nothing about that keeps her legs open like she’s got a rash. Personally I get worried about woman that put out that quick. I’d rather pay for a hooker who at least uses jimmy’s each time she works then some random women I know nothing about wanting to get ****ed because I cracked one joke and bought her a drink. I’m a charming guy but I do know I’m no different from the rest on the surface from any other charming guy. Chances are if it’s that easy for me there are plenty of other guys that have ran over her.

As for the topic of reducing flaking by manipulation. Who has the time for that garbage? Why would you put aside even 30 minutes of your time to go out with a person who you don’t get along with. I feel that as a total waste of life. You don’t get along with her guys… kick her in the **** and meet someone who you have a good time with. If you’re trying to get laid don’t waste time picking up women get hooker. It’s sooo much more effective than texting 20 women daily going on ****ty dates and sitting there bored out of your mind wanting to put a bullet in your head. Top it all off by not even getting laid most of the time. Respect your time and yourself. Don’t go on these random bull**** dates because you’re lonely or desperate for a kiss on the ****. Your time is precious life gradually disappears on all of us. I’d hate to look back realizing I’ve wasted a few months/years of my life sitting in a bar/coffee shop listening to some person who bores/annoys me because I wanted a blow job or a **** and missed out on doing something I put aside cause I was wasting time on ****ty dates. Cherish yourselves guys enjoy your life do what turns your crank don’t spend your youth chasing some ideal of being a PUA. These guys are chumps that write well while talking out of their ass. Find out what works for you and do it but don’t live life a certain way because someone makes it seem like that’s the life for you.

If you’re getting a lot of flakes in your life tighten up your pre-requisites for who your number closing and asking out on dates. This isn’t rocket science guys it doesn’t need to be overanalyzed. Your time is precious you date women who you look forward to spending time with because of who they are. Do not spend your time getting flustered when a women who you know nothing about flake on you.

A lot of very good points here ^^.

The problem with Roosh and his ilk is that they write as if they invented seduction, or at least discovered it .
And then, thanks to the feedback from their gullible fan club , they start to believe their own sermons.
Like all good evangelists, they also need to write bigger and better sermons to continue to dazzle the faithful .
And what better way to gather the flock than to predict an impending catastrophe.
After all, warnings of approaching doom are what real prophets are supposed to do, right ?

Rep+1 -> Bam Bam

 

[Colossus]

If you’re getting a lot of flakes in your life tighten up your pre-requisites for who your number closing and asking out on dates. This isn’t rocket science guys it doesn’t need to be overanalyzed. Your time is precious you date women who you look forward to spending time with because of who they are. Do not spend your time getting flustered when a women who you know nothing about flake on you.

/thread.

 

[The Inside Man]

Same for me....

I get flaked on fairly regularly....even by girls who show high interest.

Once they flake, I don't bother again. Maybe there is a better way to handle them, but I haven't found it yet.

This is basically where I'm at and even made a thread about it today.

The solution seems to keep escalating more than what we are used to, to go for 1st night F close. Funny thing about that is I am naturally less attracted to most girls I can bang the same night. Prob from past experiences.

So keep gunning for the kiss close or F close seems to be the theme emerging here..

 

[Mr.Positive]

A lot of very good points here ^^.

The problem with Roosh and his ilk is that they write as if they invented seduction, or at least discovered it .
And then, thanks to the feedback from their gullible fan club , they start to believe their own sermons.
Like all good evangelists, they also need to write bigger and better sermons to continue to dazzle the faithful .
And what better way to gather the flock than to predict an impending catastrophe.
After all, warnings of approaching doom are what real prophets are supposed to do, right ?

Rep+1 -> Bam Bam

Indeed, jophil. Good points to you here, and a home run post by Bam Bam.

Folks! Listen up, seduction....is commercialized now. It's money making, it's business...it's not about truth anymore...it's about selling, an idea.

An idea, that you WANT to believe, or, the opposite, what you FEAR to believe.

Either way, you, become a buyer.

As with life, buyer beware!!

 

[Trader]

Indeed, jophil. Good points to you here, and a home run post by Bam Bam.

Folks! Listen up, seduction....is commercialized now. It's money making, it's business...it's not about truth anymore...it's about selling, an idea.

An idea, that you WANT to believe, or, the opposite, what you FEAR to believe.

Either way, you, become a buyer.

As with life, buyer beware!!

The operative question is, how many losers are there who are being milked of their cash by these commercial seduction enterprises?

I have a premonition that the number of losers are actually quite large