The economics of dating for men. This guy makes some good points.

[I_have_BDE]

I don't agree with everything in the video, but he talks about the economic aspect on why so many single guys. Mentioned the baby boomer post WW2 era how they heavily invested in MEN during ww2 and after it. Men were good providers because there was a lot of economic opportunities for men such as the GI bill, good jobs with pensions and such. I mean, down here in FL I see it. Old men with money because they got decent jobs and big pensions.

Basically talks about how the system is against men now for economic opportunity for good jobs and the middle class man being wiped out.

Now you have more women with high paying jobs in control of things, owning their own homes and in control and such. Sure there are still good jobs like Doctor, Lawyer (that's tough to get a good gig too now) computer programing, etc. but for the large majority of men they struggle and have to worker harder to achieve financial success. So now most men look like bums are not husband material and birthrates and marriage is down.

I hardly ever notice single "professionals" like doctors, accountants, lawyers and such. They always seem to get decent looking women.

Like, I have a former coworker at my PT job at a grocery store. He got transferred because he got promoted to assistant department manager. Guy is about 27 or so. He owns a small house, has a nice truck and also has his own boat. Clean cut and not bad looking. Job probably pays about 50k a year, but that's a lot more than most mid 20s or even 30 yr olds make around here. He goes on dates and when women ask what he does for a living they laugh about it and even ghost him usually when they find out what his job is. I can only imagine what it's like when you're 40 if they're already gold digging in their mid 20s now!

Society needs to invest more in men! Look at corporate American how women run everything now and how it's a total sh*t shole now.



Why the rate of single men in the US looking for dates has declined - YouTube

 

[Slowhandluke]

CNN lies and tries to straddle the fence. I could not get through that video. If 60% of men are single and only 39% of women, shouldn't the percentage of single women be aprox the same as men? Perhaps CNN talks about this, perhaps not. I don't care... CNN is fake news.

 

[I_have_BDE]

CNN lies and tries to straddle the fence. I could not get through that video. If 60% of men are single and only 39% of women, shouldn't the percentage of single women be aprox the same as men? Perhaps CNN talks about this, perhaps not. I don't care... CNN is fake news.

I agree, but focusing more on the guest and it's been brought up before on here the economics and the middle class. People who are wealthier professionals have it easier dating than bum workers do. Being a trash man or laborer making dirt wages doesn't open up doors for you. More women also making dirt wages are fat or tatted and losers. A doctor making 300k a year making the same as a guy making 35k a year, both look similar who's going to be more in demand?? A woman bragging to her friends about her Dr. husband looks high status as well.

 

[Bokanovsky]

He makes some good points but it’s clear that he’s terrified of being branded a “misogynist” so he’s not saying the other part. The reason why men are not getting into colleges, can’t get good jobs, can’t afford to buy homes, etc. is because of rampant discrimination against men in education and employment.

 

[Slowhandluke]

He makes some good points but it’s clear that he’s terrified of being branded a “misogynist” so he’s not saying the other part. The reason why men are not getting into colleges, can’t get good jobs, can’t afford to buy homes, etc. is because of rampant discrimination against men in education and employment.

I think the average man just doesn't care. In the past, it was about having a family and providing for them; having kids - feeding them, teaching them, protecting them, etc.. etc. Average men (60% of them) don't even get an opportunity to date or have a relationship anymore. So what's the pont for them to work hard? in our society, we can do the bare minimum and have enough to eat. We have shelter.. etc. Average women have decided to chase the Chads (and subsequently get pumped and dumped) until they are old and lonely. Average men aren't getting any dates so they decide to "just be"; perhaps play some video games, do the minimun at work, etc.. Average men have no drive. In the past, caring for and providing for family was what drove the average men. Other than finding ways to prevent average women from being Chad's pump and dump material, for the average man, this is sadly the most optimal solution -- to just be;

Just be and wait it out. Hopefully the average young woman will learn that having a loving relationship with an average guy that lasts a lifetime with a family is a lot better than serially getting pumped and dumped by someone who stirs their loins for a few months (aka situationships)

 

[TheManMasenko]

The reason it’s 60% male are single while female reported lower is because some men are using woman for sex.

Are you guys that slow?

How do you guys constantly mention plating woman (I.e being single and ****ing) and not contribute that to the stats? Of course woman are going to claim the person they’re ****ing.

Plus…this is a poll. Take it with a grain of salt. You guys take anything and run with it…holy.

 

[BadBoy89]

Let's create laws and societal norms that benefit women.
Let's encourage women to sleep around as much as possible until they are ready for commitment
Let's give women all the power and money possible if they want out of that commitment

Let's brainwash young men to consider young women as "Goddesses" who should be worshiped
Lets shame men for showing any type of sexual urges to women
Let's shame men for having any type of standards for women
Let's shame men if they don't want a woman with a high body count
Let's shame men if they want commitment with a young woman
Let's shame men if they don't want commitment with an older woman
Let's shame men if they want to protect their assets in a commitment
Let's shame men for expecting any type of gender roles in a commitment
Let's destroy a man's life if a woman wants out of that commitment

And then let's go on national tv and say "What's wrong with all the men?"

 

[Mike32ct]

The reason it’s 60% male are single while female reported lower is because some men are using woman for sex.

Are you guys that slow?

How do you guys constantly mention plating woman (I.e being single and ****ing) and not contribute that to the stats? Of course woman are going to claim the person they’re ****ing.

Inb4 somebody blames it all on “simps.”

Men that women don’t want are somehow keeping women non-single (i.e. off of the market) lol.

 

[Slowhandluke]

The reason it’s 60% male are single while female reported lower is because some men are using woman for sex.

Are you guys that slow?

That is the inevitable conclusion to this "problem". I'm not sure what to think about it. Chad (people who are using several women for sex aka "plates") are causing this issue. They are basically taking away average women from average guys.

Then these Chads are saying to average guys that don't have any relationships with women, "it's okay, you just need to do X, Y, things; and THEN you can get a relationship"; basically be more like them. Be witty.. be mysterious, be more overt.. etc.. etc.. these things to do keeps on changing... Don't do night game.. Do day game... don't do day game.. go to sports activities, go to meetups, etc.. etc.

At the end of the day, these average men are STILL average AND they still are not getting the average girl because try as best as they can, average men cannot be Chads; they cannot be the top 10% of men. It's impossible.

While the chads are having sex with a multidude of average women, these chads are saying to average men: "keep trying.. you can do it.. see I am doing it and it's showing results for me.." Then when these women are used and abused. Some of these women come back to the average men, but then the average men don't want them because these women wasted their youth on the chads.

Its a very interesting dynamic. I feel sad for all the average guys and average women. I dont' think this dynamic affects me too much. I am fairly attractive.. Perhaps not Chad level, but I had my share of women and opportunity.

In the past, people (women AND men) use to be shamed for being promiscuous in their social circle. They still are to a certain extent. However, with the online dating aps, the ability to be promiscuous is tacitly allowed. Who cares if Ted messes arround with some woman in another city. We only care when Ted messes arround with women in our social circle because that girl could be our sister or a friend of a good friend. But some hole on Tinder -- whatever... Same with a friend who is a girl that sleeps arround on Tinder. We don't know the guy. We don't care about it so much. However, if she starts to break hearts of guys in our social circle, we start to care.

I guess I'm coming to the realization that one of the biggest hurdles for average men to get into relationships is that most of the girls are going to chads they find on the internet. Once people start dating on the internet, there is no accountability. People participating on Tinder/bumble/etc treating each other as just commondities/disposible.... BUT NOT ONLY THAT, other people/society are not scuritizing the dating actions of these participants. People are not shaming women and men in the dating apps as if it didn't matter in the whole scheme of things, when it does. They would shame Stacy for breaking the hearts of average men in their social circle; they would shame chad for doing the same thing in their social circle. But when chad/stacy does it on the app.... They don't care.. But taken as a whole. As part of society, it does matter. And this is one of the biggest reason that average men (60% of men) will not have a relationship... probably not have a family to care for.... and also one of the biggest reason for more women becoming old and lonely

That being said it's a strange dynamic and I need to think about it some more.

 

[SW15]

Chad (people who are using several women for sex aka "plates") are causing this issue. They are basically taking away average women from average guys.

In the past, people (women AND men) use to be shamed for being promiscuous in their social circle. They still are to a certain extent. However, with the online dating aps, the ability to be promiscuous is tacitly allowed.

Very good point.

I'm coming to the realization that one of the biggest hurdles for average men to get into relationships is that most of the girls are going to chads they find on the internet. Once people start dating on the internet, there is no accountability.

The internet has displaced social circles as the way that a large percentage of the population meets. The internet has also impacted nightlife venue approaching too.

If a man is using tech-based methods to meet women, he's going to encounter the worst possible behaviors from women. It's because of the lack of accountability that you mention. A woman faces no repercussions from her social circle for her bad behavior. A woman's social circle is not informed when she is promiscuous with 'Chads', nor is it informed when she ghosts/flakes on normies.

At the end of the day, these average men are STILL average AND they still are not getting the average girl because try as best as they can, average men cannot be Chads; they cannot be the top 10% of men. It's impossible.

average men (60% of men) will not have a relationship... probably not have a family to care for.... and also one of the biggest reason for more women becoming old and lonely

Everyone loses in an environment with prevalent tech-based dating.

Top tier men get more access to short term sexual encounters. That's fun for the individual top tier man. The problem is that he may never settle with one woman and have a functional, longer term relationship. He may end up having kids from an unintended pregnancy or the combination of condoms/female birth control prevents kids from ever happening and a 'Chad' goes on and keeps being a Chad into his 40s/50s. Eventually, there are 'Chads' that fade out from being 'Chads'. A 60 year old man loses his looks eventually or he may not have the money/status accomplishments to get him to mature 'Chad' phase. Compared to some other groups, these downsides are minimal.

Women get abundance. That can be considered good for them. Women of all looks levels have more sexual options than they did in the pre-internet era. Women rarely get a taste of reality unless they stop using tech-based dating methods. In the late 20th Century pre-internet era, women would get more of a taste of reality after age 30 if they remained childless and unmarried. They get far less of one now. While most women have sexual abundance, many women are finding it difficult to find commitments. Some thirsty betas will commit to them no matter what but they might not ever meet these betas, often due to swiping left on them. 'Chad' chasing has a downfall for most women. A woman who is 7.5+ in looks will be able to get commitment if she desires and usually from a guy near her level. The 5 - 7.4 range women will be more challenged in getting commitments, especially in 5-6.5 range. The typical '6' now, a solid woman, isn't all that interested in dating a '6' level man after having sex with multiple 8.5+ range men.

There are also some 8+ looks level women who struggle with commitments due to a past of some combination of stripping, porn, OnlyFans, etc. These are rarer.

The normie range guys (think 4.5 - high 7s) guys struggle a lot with tech-based dating. Average women today aren't interested in average guys and even above average guys (think 6-7.4) even find it difficult to get enough attention, even from their own looks-level match. There are plenty of normie range guys who are ignored. Many normie range guys can get into relationships if they have social circle help (sometimes this isn't feasible and it isn't entirely the fault of the normie range guy either). Most normie range guys are better off if they avoid the swipe apps and Instagram altogether.

Subpar guys struggle to even get subpar women.