The DJ Theory - PROCEED WITH CAUTION

[Griffman]

How we doin' fellas,

I've been on and off the DJ boards for almost 2 years. Like the rest of us, I found it due to a one-itis and AFC characteristics. I have to say, the concept of the DJ Bible is fantastic, but there is a MAJOR FLAW.

This forum is HUGE on inner game. I won't lie to you, Inner game is an enormous part of the pickup lifestyle. Regardless, you all need to understand something...

In the 2 years of lurking on these boards, I learned less than I did in one day of sarging.

Seriously, I'm not kidding.
Read that sentence again.



In the 2 years of lurking on these boards, I learned less than I did in one day of sarging.


Fellas, this is a good site. It's fantastic for boosting your confidence. HOWEVER... I just finished reading a book called "The Game". It's by Neil Strauss (aka Style), and he is a pickup artist from the ASF boards (www.fastseduction.com).

The difference between the DJ boards and the ASF boards is that here, it's meant for keyboard jockeys and pvssies. Look at this, I can't even fvcking swear on here, hahaha.

No, seriously though. Coming from a guy who swore by the DJ forums, from a guy who would spend hours a day reading, internalizing, and understanding the concepts here, I have to give you guys a choice.

1. Stay here. Flame me. Tell me to fvck off, get a life, and leave you alone. Which is totally cool. I don't plan on hanging around here anyways, heh.


2. Change. Stop looking at this site. Head over to ASF at www.fastseduction.com and start getting laid! Over there, the guys will yell at you, ***** at you for posting things like "OMG this girl just said this what do I do?" and will give you SHlT for being AFC, but guess what fellas, that's where progress is made.

I'm not trying to be a walking commercial for the site. I'm seriously making this post because if I could rewind 2 years and do it, I would, and I would totally be all over ASF.

Also, I'm not saying this is the magic pill. I'm saying that the emphasis on getting in the field and not being such an AFC keyboard jockey is much GREATER there. The concepts are more realistic, and its not just a "feel-good" attitude. In fact, the best place to start would be

www.fastseduction.com/youarenew


This place isn't bad! There is some okay information, but I think it is secondary to what they have going on at ASF.

So lets hear it, are you going to make the change, or stay with your old ways and continue in your rut?


- Griffman

griffman.blogspot.com

 

[Martini Joe]

Originally posted by Griffman


Seriously, I'm not kidding.
Read that sentence again.

Won't do em any good. That's all they do to begin with.

 

[Maverick001]

Originally posted by Griffman
How we doin' fellas,

I've been on and off the DJ boards for almost 2 years. Like the rest of us, I found it due to a one-itis and AFC characteristics. I have to say, the concept of the DJ Bible is fantastic, but there is a MAJOR FLAW.

This forum is HUGE on inner game. I won't lie to you, Inner game is an enormous part of the pickup lifestyle. Regardless, you all need to understand something...

In the 2 years of lurking on these boards, I learned less than I did in one day of sarging.

Seriously, I'm not kidding.
Read that sentence again.



In the 2 years of lurking on these boards, I learned less than I did in one day of sarging.


Fellas, this is a good site. It's fantastic for boosting your confidence. HOWEVER... I just finished reading a book called "The Game". It's by Neil Strauss (aka Style), and he is a pickup artist from the ASF boards (www.fastseduction.com).

The difference between the DJ boards and the ASF boards is that here, it's meant for keyboard jockeys and pvssies. Look at this, I can't even fvcking swear on here, hahaha.

No, seriously though. Coming from a guy who swore by the DJ forums, from a guy who would spend hours a day reading, internalizing, and understanding the concepts here, I have to give you guys a choice.

1. Stay here. Flame me. Tell me to fvck off, get a life, and leave you alone. Which is totally cool. I don't plan on hanging around here anyways, heh.


2. Change. Stop looking at this site. Head over to ASF at www.fastseduction.com and start getting laid! Over there, the guys will yell at you, ***** at you for posting things like "OMG this girl just said this what do I do?" and will give you SHlT for being AFC, but guess what fellas, that's where progress is made.

I'm not trying to be a walking commercial for the site. I'm seriously making this post because if I could rewind 2 years and do it, I would, and I would totally be all over ASF.

Also, I'm not saying this is the magic pill. I'm saying that the emphasis on getting in the field and not being such an AFC keyboard jockey is much GREATER there. The concepts are more realistic, and its not just a "feel-good" attitude. In fact, the best place to start would be

www.fastseduction.com/youarenew


This place isn't bad! There is some okay information, but I think it is secondary to what they have going on at ASF.

So lets hear it, are you going to make the change, or stay with your old ways and continue in your rut?


- Griffman

griffman.blogspot.com

Griffman,

The DJ view is one that is all encompassing and far seeing. It`s not about just getting women.

It`s about getting better in all areas of your life, of which women are a small part.

In fact, any women would be privileged to be part of a DJ`s life because he has it together in all aspects. He doesn`t get laid and never will.

A DJ does all the laying all the time.

Positive change is really the only choice. I agree with you.

Positive change in one area or some areas of your life, at the expense or exclusion of others will lead to imbalance. Anything in imbalance ultimately shakes or spins itself apart.

You`re a whole person and so a wholistic approach is needed. This you will not find at www.fastseduction.com

The choice is yours. Be sure that it`s the right one for your whole self.

Just my 2 cents.

Cheers,
Mav

 

[belividere]

so you spent two years lurking without ever going out and meeting women?

Maybe you should take a look at yourself before you blame/acclaim an internet site as the fault/answer.

 

[Griffman]

Originally posted by belividere
so you spent two years lurking without ever going out and meeting women?

Maybe you should take a look at yourself before you blame/acclaim an internet site as the fault/answer.

Haha, no no , don't get me wrong. I've been getting laid. Plenty. Regardless, I've finally realized, through ASF, that I've been doing so many small things wrong that, with minor changes, I can GREATLY improve my game. Regardless, this isn't about me, and I'm not BLAMING any site, all I'm saying is that this should NOT be the place for most guys here.




Maverick, I get what you're saying, but do you READ what the guys on here post about?!?! No one's trying to "vastly improves all aspects of their life" - everyone wants to get their **** wet! The DJ concept is great, and I will definately be back here once I have sex with 50 more women and really internalize my game, and have full confidence in that part of my life.

Take a look at the posts on an average day, man. No one's trying to become the high and mighty greatest man ever, they're all looking for advice on how to pickup chicks, and they're in the wrong place. This should be the place one goes once that part of their life is under control, and clearly, for 95% of the guys here, it isn't.

Oh, and Pook? I used to read your posts and immediately think you were amazing, most likely because everyone else thought you were amazing. I've seen no proof that you have this aspect of women under control. Not that you'd need to give it to me, or ever would for that matter, because "you have nothing to prove" - but fellas listen, Pook is probably some old Priest who loves typing page long reports about how we should live and be the better man.


Listen, you can tell me to fvck off, it's cool. I badgered your message board and shunned your Guru. I get it. But, if you're looking to get laid, leave. This isn't the place. Thank god I read Style's book "The Game" and changed my line of thought.

- Griffman
griffman.blogspot.com

 

[organizedconfusion]

no one cares about your epiphanies online.
everyone here is here for their own reasons and you have
no right to attack this site or the people that visit it.

hate to burst your bubble kid, but 'the Game' is just highly
dramatized non-fiction. Don't believe everything you read.
it's like telling stories from your summer vacation in
Europe,of course you'll exaggerate.
besides, those guys were pick ups artists and it's a collection
of experiance through a decade of their lives
and they had a level of commitment to PU that most
people just don't or will ever have.

you kid, DON'T have it. and if you do, you will fail.
how do i know this? call it a hunch...
anyone that clearly has a need to bash someone
else just for reconition/approval or to feel superior -
usually also have an array of unattractive and repulsive traits about them that naturally radiates from within..and NO type of
routine ,body language cue to fake or line is gonna
hide it.

you are looking for reconition and approval of sorts in life
and a desperate need for acceptence, you won't find it here
and you won't find it between the legs of some chick.
once you realize the the ASF boards don't have what you
are looking for and getting approval from woman dosen't
change you... you'll just have someone else to blame.

how can one be soo confused when the person to blame
is staring right back at you every morning in the mirror?

 

[Gonzalo]

^ dude, what are you even talking about...?

Griffman, I'm agree. Thing is that people who frequent this forum 16 hours a day, as well as those who ask questions like "how do I get THIS ONE GIRL back?!?!?!?!?!" are definately *NOT* trying to be the best man they can be, or trying to understand women through expermentation in the field. If they were, they probably wouldn't be flaming, or asking ******** questions, and instead would be writing field reports.

It's funny how everyone preaches left and right, but a field-report with a non-sensationalist title might get as little as 30 views, while a thread titled "I'm a girl" will get some nine pages of replies. Tells you something about the prevailing mentality.

Griffman is on to something, guys, all the inner game and self-improvement stuff is great, but discussion about women can only prosper if the people are out there on a regular basis, picking up new ideas to discuss. "Inner game" doesn't mean "to stay at home".

G

 

[Duke]

Aside from the lame posts, I like the vibe here a lot better, and I've done equal reading on both sites.

The ASF vibe can be a bit weird and negative.

Over here, it's more a bit more gay, but also pretty positive and LIFE-oriented, rather than girl-oriented.

As far as what you can learn? I think certain posters take the sosuave style to the pinnacle. Pook would be one of those guys.

However, after you get past the motivational aspects and want some real "How-To's", ASF is a good choice. Just try to filter through all the negative lamers.

A good bet is www.bristollair.com

Lot's of good archived ASF posts there.

 

[Guitarist26]

I'd rather read a fascinating post by Pook about philosophy of life than go to "class" on how to be a sleezy womanizer on the site you listed.

 

[Gonzalo]

Originally posted by Guitarist26
I'd rather read a fascinating post by Pook about philosophy of life than go to "class" on how to be a sleezy womanizer on the site you listed.

I don't know if you read the sign: Discuss meeting, dating, and attracting women with others. Ask a question or give advice. There are other places which give more TOOLS for the arsenal that someone who wants to expand their knowledge of this subject might as well be aware of.

Many articles in the DJB are GREAT to give guys a boost, but let's be pragmatic for a moment, some people need more tools they can use out there, things to actually say, if you will... AT FIRST, until they can come up with their own stuff. Realize that while you're at home jerking off to "Be a man!!!," the sleazy womanizer might be opening groups and banging the 10.

 

[Flyer]

I read somewhere.. maybe its from pook, that goes along the lines of:

'To have the woman of your dreams, you must first become the man of your dreams.'

That IS the DJ, the DJ is the man of his dreams.
Be it with woman, money or anything else that he wants.

 

[Duke]

Originally posted by Gonzalo
I don't know if you read the sign: Discuss meeting, dating, and attracting women with others. Ask a question or give advice. There are other places which give more TOOLS for the arsenal that someone who wants to expand their knowledge of this subject might as well be aware of.

Many articles in the DJB are GREAT to give guys a boost, but let's be pragmatic for a moment, some people need more tools they can use out there, things to actually say, if you will... AT FIRST, until they can come up with their own stuff. Realize that while you're at home jerking off to "Be a man!!!," the sleazy womanizer might be opening groups and banging the 10.

Yeah agreed. I've always looked at Sosuave as the foundation of a house since it has so much fundamental inner game stuff. But the weakspot of sosuave is that the structure of "what to do" when in the presence of a girl is very disorganized and not a lot of techniques suggested here have been field-tested, whereas people at ASF treat it much more like a science. Everything is much more structured and there's no tolerance of AFC posts, so you generally have to wade through less garbage there.

I would advise DJ's to not totally disown ASF, but to explore it. Read the archives of the legends there before you let a sour first impression prevent you from learning what the contrbutors there have to offer.

 

[mrswabe]

I've been to Mystery's forum, this one, and ASF.

Guys we need to be open-minded about this one. There are a lot of information in ASF and Mystery's that are not tackled here or if it is discussed here it is only done minimally.

Sure there are techniques that you may call sleazy. But if it does not fit your personality then don't use it. Use only the techniques which fit your personality and discard those which you do not find useful or are against your principles.

I've read from the game that Style did not only use Mystery's method but also took some Speed Seduction seminars from Ross Jeffries and hypnosis from Steve H. Maybe that is why he got to be the best in the field.

Personally, I like the DJ lifestyle of self-improvement. I want to develop myself as near as I can to my potential in all aspects of my life. In health, wealth, and love.

But I use Mystery's structure for seduction, having the 3 phases of Attraction, Comfort and Seduction. And I use Juggler's style to fill-up these 3 phases. By the way, Juggler's approach to pick-up seems to me the most natural of all. It doesn't seem to be in conflict with the DJ lifestyle.

 

[Griffman]

Originally posted by organizedconfusion


you kid, DON'T have it. and if you do, you will fail.
how do i know this? call it a hunch...
anyone that clearly has a need to bash someone
else just for reconition/approval or to feel superior -
usually also have an array of unattractive and repulsive traits about them that naturally radiates from within..and NO type of
routine ,body language cue to fake or line is gonna
hide it.

Taken from "organizedconfusion's" profile:

Biography: i am loner. I have a natural ability to attract and meet really cool people, but i choose to keep my distance.I am often inside my own head and busy with my own plans and goals that i often neglect the people that are important to me..but i am trying


Do you see what I'm talking about? Another classic example of some guy who probably hasn't left his house in a few days, and is insistant on telling me why I suck. THERE IS NO EMPHASIS HERE ON GETTING LAID.

Most of the advice comes from people who don't know what the fvck they are talking about! At ASF, people post field reports about getting threesomes usually every other day! You have to determine what you want, and if it's to become a "better overall person" than sure, stay here. But if you're looking to get your FVCKlNG DlCK WET, go to ASF! haha

Now, after this post, a lot of you are going to be saying

"But it's not all about getting lots of sex! Quit being so shallow!"

When in reality all of you are aching to be getting women, and that is the entire reason you are here. We all want to be getting more women, higher quality women - it will vastly improve MANY aspects of your life! Confidence, social skills, social proof, subconscious respect from peers and co-workers. You develop many Alpha-male traits NATURALLY when you succeed with women!

Gonzalo, you hit it right on, my man.

Originally posted by Gonzalo



Many articles in the DJB are GREAT to give guys a boost, but let's be pragmatic for a moment, some people need more tools they can use out there, things to actually say, if you will... AT FIRST, until they can come up with their own stuff. Realize that while you're at home jerking off to "Be a man!!!," the sleazy womanizer might be opening groups and banging the 10.

I agree 100%!

- Griffman
griffman.blogspot.com

 

[mrRuckus]

Originally posted by Griffman





2. Change. Stop looking at this site. Head over to ASF at www.fastseduction.com and start getting laid! Over there, the guys will yell at you, ***** at you for posting things like "OMG this girl just said this what do I do?" and will give you SHlT for being AFC, but guess what fellas, that's where progress is made.

Because that's just what I need. A bunch of internet douches yelling at me down from atop their imaginary pedestals because of what they and their groupthink deem to be AFC.

 

[organizedconfusion]

you FINALLY discovered ASF just now?
you should've 'discovered' it a LONG time ago

all you're doing is complaining about what this site is and comparing it to what it's clearly not.
it's like comparing Vettes to Porshes...
why are you still here?

 

[Egoist]

Re: Re: The DJ Theory - PROCEED WITH CAUTION

Originally posted by Maverick001


You`re a whole person and so a wholistic approach is needed.

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i prefer a wh0re-istic approach.



































oh wait, you mean hollistic. sorry, couldn't resist. :crackup:

 

[organizedconfusion]

i don't have an emphasis on just 'getting laid' because i am already past that point in my game..not everyone is
starving for sex. it's obvious you still seem to be 'mystified'
by the entire process of getting laid and how easy it
really is...

there is a reason why you are attacking this site and it's users-
face it. you feel cheated in a way that it took you SOO LONG
to figure it out that you could've just went out and sarged
for a day -to get all the confidence and experiance to get
started.
but now you feel the need to try to make yourself appear superior & greater then everyone else ,
by putting others down and this site -because of your
own shortcomings and inferiorities as a , i don't know-
Don Juan, PUA or whatever you call yourself...

whats next? hovering around @ ASF for another twelve
years before you get laid? and then attacking that
site for not holding your hand and taking you through
the process? give me a break!
go out and sarge if you are soo desperate to get
laid it really isn't that hard...

attacking this site and it's users is such a pvssy move in the
first place...i can't imagine how exuasting it must be to
be in your shoes



you remind me of the type of guys that see that i get
girls and want to hang out with me because of it-
but then get pissed off because you never get the girls.
so you whigne complain and moan because of it..
how do i know? because you take a 'victim' or 'rejects'
approach to your communication. everything you just
communicated in this thread screams out 'reject' or
'victim'. theres nothing wrong with that and no ones
perfect, i am merely bringing it to your attention.

complaining,whigning, judging and resentfullness are
all inferior personality traits that will most likely translate
into ALL of your communications anyways
not only that but it automaticly creates the type of person
you become ... and it all happens on it's own


getting laid seems to be the LEAST of your problems...

 

[\O/]

This site is far better than fastseduction.com, at least for my needs. It focuses on everything. All aspects of your life and how to get into the right mindset and have the right attitude in life. That makes it much more valuable, to me atleast.

Having said that, I do believe fastseduction has some awesome things on that site. I have seen techniques, routines and material that is absolutely gold. It will definately help when it comes to pure skills. You will only go so far with either part. When you have gotten all your **** together, found out exactly who you are and what you are capable of and feel totally confident and in control and THEN have a bag full of tricks, techniques, routines and other fieldtested material, you will be exeptional with women.
I want both. That's why I take it all in and find out what's congruent with my personality and what will work best for me.

So..use both sites. For different purposes. Find out what your goals are and get the right "tools" you need to achive them...


\o/

 

[GropeDope]

I've taken the bullsh!t route before and it's a pathetic way to live. Yea I managed to accomplish some sh!t with it but after a while you realize you can't run from yourself. When you wake up the next morning you're still YOU. I say f*ck the speed seduction sh!t and the NLP. If you can't imploy your own tactics that work with your own personality and experience then wtf are you besides a fraud?

I'm not trying to say their methods are horrible or worthless. I'm just saying that they're tools for cowards that have given up on themselves and instead rely on prewritten patterns. You might be able to work some b!tches with all that crap and getting them to believe you're someone that you're not, but it all comes back at some point. You call yourself a player with that sh!t?

I read the fast seduction sh!t every now and then and everytime I do it's always clear that it's just not for me. I'm not going to f*ckin be fake to myself and pretend to be someone I'm not, or figure out how to manipulate and play mind tricks on b!tches. That's their f*ckin job, not mine.

If you want to go and employ b!tch tactics against b!tches, go right ahead. See how manly it makes you feel. Otherwise, this is the place to be. You work with what you have or you find some way to make sh!t work with what you have.