The Direct vs Indirect Faceoff

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

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Greetings to all my Don Juan's, Alpha Males, and even the Beta Males.

I'm here to share my knowledge, insight, and wisdom on the debate between which works better as it pertains to communicating your sexual desires with women (or otherwise).

Just a little backstory for those that don't know...

Dating coach and book author Alan Roger Currie (The King of Verbal Seduction and Direct Verbal game), pioneered and revolutionized the dating game with his book "Mode One: Let the Women Know What You're Really Thinking".

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The man passed away a couple years ago, but his legacy and work lives on.

As a distant student of his, most of my "teaching" points comes from his work...however, having had my own experiences dealing with women, I've been able to tweak certain nuances from his thought and have made it my own.

I've dealt with literally hundreds of women as it pertains to Cold Approach and Mode One philosophy.

Through those experiences, I've gained knowledge, insight, and wisdom; of which I'm here to share.

In this thread, my aim is to provide an ultimate, in-depth breakdown of why I believe a direct approach will suit men better when dealing with women, as opposed to the indirect approach.

To make it even more clear; I support, endorse, and advocate the direct approach..so much so that I'm tempted to be of the opinion that the indirect approach is beta-soft .

Now, I won't go that far, but I will say that if indirect guys can still be classified as alpha, then direct guys should be classified as apex.

In this thread, I will give in depth analysis on indirect game vs direct game, dedicating an entire post to both concepts.

This thread is meant to inspire men to level up.

If you think you are an alpha-male and you advocate indirect game, cool.

But just know there's an even higher level you can aspire to reach, which is the APEX level...the level I'm currently on.

Not many men are on this level, it is lonely..and I would love to see other guys up here with me.

This post just a long ass prelude, in my next post I will cover indirect game, providing analysis, insight, and share real life examples.

I promise I will keep the stories entertaining/interesting.

Stay tuned.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

This post just a long ass prelude, in my next post I will cover indirect game, providing analysis, insight, and share real life examples.

I'm waiting with bated breath.

 

[Ricky]

Somewhere i saw someone debate this.. essentially direct game saves time but has lower success rates. There are women who you might have gotten if you instead started indirect.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Somewhere i saw someone debate this.. essentially direct game saves time but has lower success rates. There are women who you might have gotten if you instead started indirect.

That's also what the Roosh guy complains about in his insipid Day Bang manual where he advises men to act like ignorant old farts in order to snare young chicks.

Venom here advocates just telling the young chick you want to bang the daylights out of them, because honesty is the best approach.

Since different situations require different approaches, you might want to study both and apply as needed.

 

[SW15]

I think it is possible to use both indirect and direct.

I think there's a good case for going indirect with indoor retail venues. Mall security and store/venue employees might kick you out of the establishment for going direct. It's a risk. Indirect could be a better option in malls, bookstores, grocery stores, and gyms/fitness class venues. Of those venues, going direct on a gym floor is something that's possible. Going direct after a bougie fitness class like Title Boxing or SoulCycle is less of a good idea.

The better venues for going direct would be nightlife venues and any outdoor non-bar venue.

 

[Agamemnon43]

Use direct approach sometimes after you get to know her better, for shock effect:

Her: "Why are you so silent?"

You: "Actually all I can think of right now is how I would rearrange your guts"

She might get repulsed at first because she has to, but she won't be able to stop thinking about it. Until you DO rearrange her guts.
But don't be like that all the time. You can be both a sophisticated bastard with an emotional connection and a sex maniac alpha chad thunderc0ck at other times. And shes gonna like it.

UNfortunately, for openers, you can't use too much direct talk these days, you can get into trouble. First impression must be a bit nicer.

 

[Divorced w 3]

Venom!! Preach!!

My boys and I had a running joke a couple years ago, they used to call me Mach One

Mode One for someone who is positive they don’t want all the trappings of a relationship is absolutely perfect.

Women are absolutely down with this. Don’t discount the power of direct interaction and verbal seduction. Successful sales professionals will understand this easier maybe than some others.

You also have to remember that being direct is not necessarily a one night stand. It’s simply being direct in your intention. This trips a lot of guys up.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Use direct approach sometimes after you get to know her better, for shock effect:

Her: "Why are you so silent?"

You: "Actually all I can think of right now is how I would rearrange your guts"

I think that phrase 'rearrange your guts' isn't arousing or sexy.

When women ask me why I'm silent or appear thoughtful, I've actually gone with: "I was wondering what you'd look like in bondage."

 

[Agamemnon43]

I think that phrase 'rearrange your guts' isn't arousing or sexy.

When women ask me why I'm silent or appear thoughtful, I've actually gone with: "I was wondering what you'd look like in bondage."

Well I don't remember if I've used that specific phrase myself, I've just seen it alot on these internet memes that women make; ie. "how I sleep after getting attention and my guts rearranged" etc. (she sleeps smiling)

Your response with bondage is actually better, just make sure she isn't the type to run away and call the police.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Use direct approach sometimes after you get to know her better, for shock effect:

Her: "Why are you so silent?"

You: "Actually all I can think of right now is how I would rearrange your guts"

She might get repulsed at first because she has to, but she won't be able to stop thinking about it

She'll be saying to herself: "I've been in the company of this century's answer to Eddie Gein for over a month now...."

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Your response with bondage is actually better, just make sure she isn't the type to run away and call the police.

I'm into hojōjutsu and shibari (consensual bondage), so I just inform them about what I might want to do with them if they stick around.

 

[Lotus Effect]

When women ask me why I'm silent or appear thoughtful, I've actually gone with: "I was wondering what you'd look like in bondage."

Now that's a line that works!

 

[Lotus Effect]

Very good topic to debate Venom, to open the audience eyes on the transition from boy into man.

But, nothing new under the sun.

To me it is very clear now, as it should be to most of the mature audience.

Indirect game is for beginners.

You don't know what you were doing, you don't know what you are supposed to do, so indirect works like a crutch/training wheel.

You then go out there, get results, life happens, you discover your sexuality, and bam!, you are now ready for direct game.

You can't give direct game to a youngster, because since it is not going to be natural, or, naturally connected to his sexuality - which is inexistent at that time - it will just come across creepy, borderline criminal. That's when the cops arrive, or the mace is pulled out of the purse.

Direct game is 100% linked to experience, and how natural and comfortable you feel about your manhood and sexuality.

In the end, is not about the message... It's about the messenger


Side note:
Again, when in doubt, Pook said it better than us all this years ago.
Just refer to him:

Lesson 8: Only the Sexual Ones get the Girls.
Embrace your own sexuality. Be a guy, talk like a guy, act like a guy. Do action things. It is one thing to talk about things you love, but most guys talk about things just to talk.

Lesson 9: Be Not Contained by Formula.
The point of Manual is not to grant you success. If you do, you will forever be under his dictatorship. The entire reason why Manual exists is to not grant you success but illustrate the means of success.

Lesson 8 is clearly talking about the Direct approach, whereas Lesson 9 is clearly talking about Indirect Game.

No need for false Messias.
The answer is always in the gospel hahaha

Cheers guys.

 

[Manure Spherian]

which is the APEX level

Do you consider Johnny Depp, Tom Brady, Brad Pitt, and Will Smith APEX males? They leveled up quite a bit.

 

[BPH]

Do you consider Johnny Depp, Tom Brady, Brad Pitt, and Will Smith APEX males? They leveled up quite a bit.

Really?

Depp stayed in an abusive relationship that pretty much destroyed his career...

Tom Brady despite being one of the best athletes in the world got cheated on in his marriage and ended up divorced...

And Will Smith got cucked so hard by Jada that he ended up destroying his career AND had a whole song published by his son's friend who slept with his wife (Entanglement)...

I don't know if Brad Pitt has any skeletons in his client from his time with Angelina. These men are good-looking and successful, but I don't think that automatically makes them "apex".

 

[SW15]

You also have to remember that being direct is not necessarily a one night stand. It’s simply being direct in your intention. This trips a lot of guys up.

Direct vs. indirect is solely about your initial opener and first minute of conversation. Someone who uses a more indirect opener can steer the conversation towards a more romantic/sexual frame within a few minutes and make it clear that they are seeking some sort of romantic interaction. Going "direct" is just having a more sexual or more flirty initial line.

 

[ManlyMan]

I like using both. There are 2 things that determine whether I will go indirect or direct. If there are people standing close by I will go indirect. I have found that the people surrounding you can impact her decisions.

Second what type of women is she? Which women to approach or even to direct or indirect is more of a gut feeling for me these days based on a lot of approaches. If I am not sure I will go indirect and find out. But 98% percent of the time I know before I approach the woman if she is worth approaching and if I will go direct or indirect.

 

[CornbreadFed]

I'm definitely indirect.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

I prefer having naughty conversations.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

I'm definitely indirect.

Why?