The conflict within: ethics vs blowing the wad

[Malcontent]

Do I try to screen and find a good woman amongst the masses of j1zz filled kunts? Or do I ruthlessly bang taken women because I view them as soulless succubi? I don't have statistical data, but taken women seem to pursue me the most, probably because most of the time women are in relationships anyway. And, if they are going to cheat regardless or whether I reject them or not, should I just go for it and get my d1ck wet?

The ethical dilemma is one of a bigger picture. Our little decisions collectively form shifts in society, culture, etc.

The opportunist would say to just fk em any time the vag1na presents itself. But is taking that approach validating crappy female behavior and encouraging more cheating? Is it the inevitable direction things are moving anyway? Is it betraying our brethren by fukking their wives/gfs? Do I fight the tide and reject the cheaters or go with the flow and just fk em?

It seems that seeking a good quality woman yet at the same time fukking married/attached women is counterproductive, perhaps hypocritical.

What do you think?

 

[logicallefty]

I don't b@ng taken women. This is not out of respect for the woman, but out of respect for her man. However, if I am interested in laying the taken women I have no problem gaming her and stringing her along, so as soon as she breaks up with the other dude I am right in there. I don't waste a lot of time on this, just a "ping" now and then to keep her interested in me and see how things are with the other dude. If she is trying to hook up with me while she is taken, that does tell me what kind of woman she is so she will never be a LTR, just a lay.

 

[zekko]

taken women seem to pursue me the most, probably because most of the time women are in relationships anyway.?

Right, and to extend that a little, attractive women are even more likely to be in a relationship. A guy will tend to game or give attention to females that are attractive to him - not only physically, necessarily, but she may possess traits that he finds attractive. Like she may be particularly feminine in her personality and behaviors, which I find ramps up attraction.

If you find a girl attractive, chances are there are other guys who find her attractive also. So any such girl is likely to already be in a relationship. I think a similar thing is going on when they talk about "women are attracted to taken men".

 

[Tictac]

'Taken' as in married or as in 'seeing someone'.

Huge difference.

 

[zekko]

'Taken' as in married or as in 'seeing someone'.

Huge difference.

Not to some people. A lot of women will cheat on their husbands more readily and more often than some women will cheat on their boyfriends. It all depends on the person.

As for the male pursuer, I've read a lot of guys here saying they feel no guilt banging a married woman because they didn't take the vows, so it's on the girl, not them. In contrast, some guys feel that banging a girl that has a boyfriend is real dirtbag thing to do. I don't think that's most PUAs though, since they have their "boyfriend destroyer" techniques.

I'm not saying I condone any or all of it, but what goes depends on who you are talking to.

 

[TheBossman]

This is the ultimate direction of our society.

Women will become so untrustworthy, so whor3d out, that the idea of an LTR will crumble. Families will crumble and society will de-evolve into bands of murderous gangs and all around POS's.
All because men can't keep their c0ck brain in check, and the feminists movement wasn't squashed and stamped out 30 years ago.

 

[guru1000]

Yourself aside, what good do you contribute to the world with such an action? This question, irrespective of the circumstance, should always serve as your compass.

 

[logicallefty]

Yourself aside, what good do you contribute to the world with such an action? This question, irrespective of the circumstance, should always serve as your compass.

I did something today I thought was appropriate. I am 40, GF 41. We have had our issues lately, but nothing I would call horrific, compared to my past (mentioned in a few of my recent posts).

GF has been slightly on the disrespectful side lately, nothing show stopping.

She wanted sex early this afternoon. Some friends stooped by unexpectedly and we entertained them for 4 hours. When they left she still wanted sex, and I did too. A lot.

But due to the previous disrespect, I told her "no, I am tired, going to take a nap". I went and choked my chicken, even though I could have had sex.

Why? Because women control men with sex wayy to much in this world. My contribution to the world today is to try and combat this.

I am ready for your neg comments. I still feel I did the right thing, though.

 

[guru1000]

If you can't respect yourself, you cant respect, nor contribute propitiously to, others.

You didn't help the world, but you didn't hurt it either. But you did value self-respect, which is paramount, as without self-respect, you are valueless to others.

You helped yourself, your frame, and the relationship. You did well.

 

[zekko]

Personally, I have been burned too many times to cheat anymore. There was a time when I would cheat but now I just despise these hors.

Kudos for that, PairPlus, respect.

Then you have those guys who think they are doing the boyfriend/husband a favor by fvcking the girl, because that way it will teach the guy not to be a stupid AFC beta, it will show him what a sleazy slvt his girl is, and it will force the red pill down his throat. That's a more common attitude in the PUA community than you might think.

 

[Colossus]

27. Never screw around with another man’s woman. There is no honor in it, and you are asking for problems. Be a man and hunt your own game.

28. Never date a girl who is willing to betray her man for you.

^From my "65 things" list.

I think it's massively hypocritical. We condemn women for such whorish acts but then think it's ok to screw another man's woman?

I realize it's an individual moral/ethical decision, but personally I think if we are going demand a high degree of loyalty and sexual integrity from a woman we commit to, we need to hold ourselves to a higher standard than the 25 year-old scavenger mentality.

I banged a couple of taken women when I was younger. One I didn't know was taken until after the fact, and the other I did know, but I was hammered drunk and she seduced me. I don't think that absolves me of responsibility, however. I felt pretty bad about it. I wouldn't want to repeat it.

 

[GotED?]

I personally have to test my self-discipline over and over, recently had a HB8.5 or 9.0 blonde to the skin Swedish 27yr old all over me and 'she had a long distance boyfriend'. We met at a week long workshop staying overnight at the institution - and she missed her flight the last day and ended up staying overnight at my house. Talk about self-inflicted pain ignoring her flirting and high level of interest.

WTF!!??

I can not imagine cheating in my own relationship, nor HELP a woman cheat on her 'partner' regardless in or out of a marriage relationship.

I am also a very spiritual person (not religious) - I am not going to collect karma. People nowadays are very selfish in society, everyone is out for themselves.

If you think you can 'get away with things' in this life, think again - don't be suprised one day you will answer for them.

Exodus

 

[VladPatton]

Bang whatever woman makes your cóck snap, crackle, and twitch. I've refused or shied away from taken women and all it did was fill me full of regret and not get me laid. Seriously, if you don't nail her, some other guy will, that's for sure. A woman on the cheating path will always accomplish her mission. Sad, but true.

 

[Jaylan]

^From my "65 things" list.

I think it's massively hypocritical. We condemn women for such whorish acts but then think it's ok to screw another man's woman?

I realize it's an individual moral/ethical decision, but personally I think if we are going demand a high degree of loyalty and sexual integrity from a woman we commit to, we need to hold ourselves to a higher standard than the 25 year-old scavenger mentality.

I banged a couple of taken women when I was younger. One I didn't know was taken until after the fact, and the other I did know, but I was hammered drunk and she seduced me. I don't think that absolves me of responsibility, however. I felt pretty bad about it. I wouldn't want to repeat it.

This.

Practice what you preach. I dont want my women to cheat, which is part of why I dont cheat.

I know how sh!tty being cheated on feels, and because I dont want it to happen to me, I choose not to mess around with taken women. Im not going to be a party to the cause of emotional pain for someone else.

 

[Kailex]

I have a LOT of problems with this issue, simply because I've gone through phases...

I've gone through the "karma" phase where I think I don't want to do it because it could come back around to me. I wonder how valid this self-realization is. Is karma real or is it born out of a mental validation that we all need to have a sense of balance in life?

I've had the "regret" scenario where I figured I could probably get away with it. And then coupled with the "she'd do it with someone else anyway".

I've been cheated on and it didn't feel good at all.

But never once did I place the blame SOLELY on the guy who she did it with.
It happened once and it was bad enough. The funny thing is it happened over 10 years ago and she is still married and very happy with the guy. It's a rare instance, but it happens. I'm not bitter about it... but who knows what she told the guy at the time. She could have said she didn't have a boyfriend, or had an orbiter, or a bad abusive relationship.

It doesn't matter. The reality is she is cheating, one way or the other. I've dealt with the ethical side and seem to flip flop on it. Sometimes "blowing the wad" beats out the ethics simply because I know I'll never take these women seriously... I'd never make an LTR out of a woman who willingly cheated on her boyfriend with me (See my signature).

I still struggle to this day with the whole idea. Sometimes you remember life is too short and you won't remember who these women are... sometimes you remember that the sum of your actions will equal the man you eventually become.

So for now... I am undecided.

What I do know is that a woman willing to cheat on her boyfriend/husband had LONG stopped respecting her relationship before I came into the picture...

 

[Malcontent]

Thanks for the replies.

It seems there are answers on both ends of the spectrum here. I am still in the unsure zone, along the lines of what Kailex has said.

What about husband/boyfriend retaliation against you?

 

[zekko]

As I've said before, I live in the midwest, and in my area people tend to couple up. There is a definite group of people who stay single and do casual hookups, but those aren't the kind of girls you want to have anything serious with.

Unless you are very young, it is very difficult to find attractive women, or women who are decent LTR material, who are unspoken for. If they're not married, they at least have a steady boyfriend. So unfortunately, and it pains me to say this, unless you are very lucky, if you want a decent woman you may have little choice but to build your value and encourage a branch swing. So yeah, there is an ethical dilemna.

 

[Malcontent]

I find that young girls only like me to be a fling, to fvck on the side. At first I was offended, wondering why I am only ever good enough to be a sancho instead of a boyfriend and furthermore that only cheating wh0res want me, but perhaps I should embrace it (as well as accept that many women are cheating wh0res leaving me with few options anyway).

One problem is I usually end up getting oneitis quickly. I am trying to break this habit. My little head still does most of my thinking with women. If it gets what it wants, it wants to keep getting it from that source, regardless of all other considerations. I think part of it is I train a chick to do nasty things I want and then my "heart" is broken when all is lost, plus it's usually a young HB that is my weakness. It is like an investment and loss over and over again. I guess that is the reason for plates.

Still learning things I wish I'd known 20 years ago...

 

[Scaramouche]

Dear Malcontent,
"What about husband/boyfriend retaliation against you?"...In the lower Socio-Economic groups,This is a real possibility...In my Town there are people who will beat the Bejasus out of a Guy for $400...A small price for satisfaction...If your conscience doesn't worry you,that might or the thought of her turning up on your doorstep one night suitcases in hand!

 

[Knight's Cross]

My compass today tells me not to reinforce bad behavior. Does that mean I'm a Saint? Of course it doesn't. It just means today I can look myself in the mirror. Several years ago I was in the middle of a LTR with a whacked out chick that I pretty much knew was seeing other guys. So I spun plates, and had one come over to F. 12 hours later I was in bed with the first chick. We were all cheating on each other. Twisted. Doesn't last at all. It can't last. So if you are down to FWB or FB's, then go for it.

However:

If you want a society where women in relationships behave as they should? Then act as you should as a man. No small task when we are surrounded by guys that supplicate the whorish culture surrounding us. My theory is surround yourself with men and women of character, shun those that act the fool, and you'll do just fine. Does that cut off some Tail that I could be getting? Sure it does. Do I give a damn? Nope.
KC