The biggest myth on Sosuave: THE ANTI SLUT DEFENSE

[Last Man Standing]

Whats the difference between a hor and a slvt? Is there an anti-hor defense?

 

[PRMoon]

Whats the difference between a hor and a slvt? Is there an anti-hor defense?

I'm not sure about this one. Your defintion of wh*re is very broad and may be synonomus with the term sl*t. In my case however the difference is that sl*t and h-o are synonomus ie they'll f*ck you for nothing, then your friend, your cousin, your dad, your dog, anybody she can get her hands on and she likely won't be shy about this. A wh*re f*cks anybody who will give them stuff. Food, drinks, jewelry, chothing and money to list a few and only give up sex after attaining said rewards.

Of course this is IMO only so you might want to confer with someone else.

 

[Pappadapolis]

I'm not sure about this one. Your defintion of wh*re is very broad and may be synonomus with the term sl*t. In my case however the difference is that sl*t and h-o are synonomus ie they'll f*ck you for nothing, then your friend, your cousin, your dad, your dog, anybody she can get her hands on and she likely won't be shy about this. A wh*re f*cks anybody who will give them stuff. Food, drinks, jewelry, chothing and money to list a few and only give up sex after attaining said rewards.

Of course this is IMO only so you might want to confer with someone else.

A sl*t/h0r to me is a chick that will f*ck almost anyone. In high school there were always "those" girls everyone f*cked, but no one would admit to.

I apply the ASD to girls that'll let me do almost anything else but f*ck. In that case I do not believe it to be a myth.

 

[lookyoung]

Lets stick with the topic guys. Forget about what is the difference between slut and hor....... ANTI SLUT DEFENSE is what we are discussing

 

[ValleyDJing]

Listen very carefully guys IF A GIRL WANTS TO HAVE SEX WITH YOU SHE WILL NOT PUT UP ASD

That would be nice...if it were true.

 

[lookyoung]

I apply the ASD to girls that'll let me do almost anything else but f*ck. In that case I do not believe it to be a myth.

Ok so why would a girl give you a hand job, or a Blow job and not have sex with you? Doesn't a girl think of herself as a slvt when she blows you?

 

[Pappadapolis]

Lets stick with the topic guys. Forget about what is the difference between slut and hor....... ANTI SLUT DEFENSE is what we are discussing

That's was my second sentence. It IS NOT a myth.

A sl*t/h0r to me is a chick that will f*ck almost anyone. In high school there were always "those" girls everyone f*cked, but no one would admit to.

I apply the ASD to girls that'll let me do almost anything else but f*ck. In that case I do not believe it to be a myth.

 

[Last Man Standing]

Hor vs. slvt is ON topic - the hor label has been around for thousands of years but the slvt label is a relatively new label (circa 20th century) - so it must have a different connotation!! So if there is a ASD shouldn't there be a anti hor defense??? or AHD???

Looky boy, quit being a thread NAZI!!!!! Let people say as they please - you started the thread but you don't own it!!! This is on topic -- I'm delving deeper into it!!

 

[Docs]

IF A GIRL WANTS TO HAVE SEX WITH YOU SHE WILL NOT PUT UP ASD

So true. My exgf...we kissed and stuff, and we had a little party, so it was me, her, my best bud and her friend. She came onto me, telling me we were going to have sex. No problem there.

And then there's other girls...that will put up the D because they aren't sure, either from;
a) Being a prude
b) Not truly liking you (string you, playing you..)
c) Not liking you enough

Point in case, if you can't generate enough physical attraction (ie: You have become so fvcking hot that she can't handle herself in front of you..), you will encounter some form of ASD. I'm quite sure if your version of the hottest girl alive came by and started flirting with you, you'll WANT it to progress. Now..take the same situation with an iffy girl.

There's your answer!

 

[ModernSavage]

IF A GIRL WANTS TO HAVE SEX WITH YOU SHE WILL NOT PUT UP ASD A girl knows before she sees you that night if she is open to having sex with you.

Ok, obviously if a girl WANTS to have sex then it makes sense that she is not going to put up ASD....duh! This does not prove that ASD is a myth though. Here is the definition of ASD from the fastseduction website:

"Anti-Slut Defense. The chick logic a woman (especially younger ones) will go through to relieve the guilt having sex too quickly with a man, assuming she has enough time to "think" about the consequences - a reaction which causes them to come up with objections or reasons that they shouldn't **** you in order to relieve their guilt of taking *responsibility* for doing something that society would often call "slutty".

In my experience this is something that DOES exist. However, It seems that you are trying to convey that DJs can only fvck women who do not give them ASD. I believe this is false, here's a personal example:

I pick-up a HB at a bar one night and I get her back to her place. We end up making out on her bed. She then tells me that we aren't going to have sex tonight (ASD). I say "ok" and continue making out with her. I then start touching her errogenous zones and basically get her horny as hell. Finally, I end up fvcking her even though she told me that we weren't going to have sex.

So when it comes down to it, yes you can get lays without getting ASD but a true DJ can get a lay even if there IS ASD involved. The concept is called overcomming ASD or overcomming last minute resistance.

 

[realsmoothie]

Black or White thinking isn't going to solve this.

What should be said is:

IF A GIRL REALLY WANTS TO HAVE SEX WITH YOU SHE WILL NOT PUT UP ASD.

It's obvious. If a girl is dripping for you, she's not going to waste time unless she's shy. But if she's not sure about you, she's going to have to qualify everything in her head. Sure, she'd like to get some, but she's not sure if the benefits of the sex outweigh the possible consequences.

 

[JustDoItAlways]

Now that we have established ASD exists but every now and again you might be with a girl who doesn't exhibit it, I thought I'd repost my advice for overcoming ASD from a few days ago (reposted from a long time ago.)

This is just Anti-Slut-Defence (ASD).

I posted this some time ago.

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I've thought some more about ASD and what has been successful for me in the past. I think that you need to have a "toolbox" of methods and strategies to deal with ASD.

With any particular girl you may need to use all of them to get to your goal.

1. "Understand the Motivation." First you need to understand where ASD comes from, what is the motivation.

From the time women are little girls, they are taught not to give it up too easy, save their virginity, teased by other girls when they do give it up and labeled as "sluts" if they do sleep around. For a girl, it can nearly be the most negative label they can get.

Women will thus (very) often give you resistance (sometimes a lot) so that when they do have sex with you, they can pretend to themselves (chick-logic) and prove to you that they are not easy, that they are not a slut. In addition, they are just protecting themselves in case you go out blabbing about the encounter later.

- they need to prove to themselves they are not a slut;
- they need to prove to you they are not a slut; and,
- they don't want anyone else labelling them as a slut if word gets out about the encounter.​

How else do you get around ASD.

2. "Set the Mood." Get her horny, make her feel comfortable, get some wine (or champagne) into her. Romance her a little, run some patterns on her, have the lights down low etc. etc.

Setting the mood is all about allowing her to prove to herself that she is not a slut (chick-logic.) She should say to herself that "He did everything right so it was okay that I slept with him."

I can't go through all the different things you need to do to "set the mood" but if you just understand that it's just to make her feel comfortable about the encounter later (she wasn't a slut). All you guys are DJs so you should understand this.​

3. "Your Passion" After most of my ONSs and my frequent first-date sex nights, the explanation I have heard from the girl most often was “You just wanted me so much.”

In effect, she thinks to herself, he wanted me so much it wasn't really my fault.

If your passion is strong enough, it is a big enough compliment to a girl that it overwhelms the ASD.​

4. "Keep Trying". You will know when you are getting ASD when she says something like "we really shouldn't" or "we really can't" or "I really should go". Don't freak out, this is good sign.

Just let her play her little game(s) for a while. It is, afterall, very important to her (and to you in getting into her pants.)

Just proceed until you encounter the resistance, then back-off for a while. Do something else non-sexual, like go back to the movie for a few minutes, go take a long bathroom break, tell jokes in bed etc.

Then put the moves on her again until you get resistance again. Rinse, repeat.

After two or three times of this, almost all women will then feel vindicated that they have proved they are not a slut and then you can hit it.​

5. "Reverse Logic". Another really effective method is to just use reverse chick-logic psychology on her and say her "yeah you're right we really shouldn't", say it two or three different times using different words. If she's also giving physical resistance such as pushing you away or getting up to leave, I throw in a "Yeah, you really should go."

They always stay and come back for more with this move.​

6. "I Am Discrete". One of the motivations is her fear that other people will hear about it.

Never blab about it to anyone because you will get the big-gun ASD after, ie. last time.

In your pre-work dating, you should also never brag about any specific sexual conquests and especially any specific woman you have bagged. It is actually good if she asks you and you say "well I don't ever kiss and tell." This will get around her other fear that you will telling other people about it, even new girlfriends years down the road. Letting her know you are discrete is also a big part of breaking down her ASD.​

7. "Taste the Honey". There are a number of SS patterns designed to get her to drop her a ASD shield. I am not going to type them all out.

The point of this is to let her know that you only live once, we're both mature adults, its natural to be apprehensive, we have an incredible connection, "taste the honey" when its right in front of you.​

8. "Get Her Juices Flowing" Have you ever noticed that when you get a hard-on, you are ready to go right away.

Chicks are the same, they want to fvck when they get wet, when their puss gets engorged with blood, when it's stimulated.

Do some dry humping on her. Feel her up. Get those juices flowing.

Sounds a little crass but it is SO effective.​

9. "Set It Up For Next Time". There may be a time when its clear she is telling you "No."

If it sounds like "No, not this time but maybe next time." Keep your cool and let her say No. Women will actually feel better about having sex with you in the future if she's knows she can say No once in awhile and you won't get upset about it. You're much more likely to get sex any time you want after this.​

If it sounds like "No, I don't think we'll ever get together." Tell her "Wow, you are the biggest tease I've ever seen" and just get up and leave and leave her alone after. She'll probably come back apologizing after and you can set up a "Returning Fox".​

The anti-slut defense may continue to be needed by some women for a long-time into a relationship so you may need to vary your techniques some but just realize this is important to her.

Keep adding to your toolbox.

 

[Nighthawk]

Couldn't agree more JustDoItAlways! The reverse psychology one is killer. The ASD is no match for a seasoned pro, and is much a mating ritual as a morality issue.

I'd add that if it's a girl you want to bone again, or a potential gf, letting her bail out at the last minute is worth it so she can see that although you are passionate, you can control it. Which is the shyt-test part of the deal

Then wait a few days and tell her that you both have unfinished business. That usually does the trick.

 

[lookyoung]

Black or White thinking isn't going to solve this.

What should be said is:

IF A GIRL REALLY WANTS TO HAVE SEX WITH YOU SHE WILL NOT PUT UP ASD.

It's obvious. If a girl is dripping for you, she's not going to waste time unless she's shy. But if she's not sure about you, she's going to have to qualify everything in her head. Sure, she'd like to get some, but she's not sure if the benefits of the sex outweigh the possible consequences.

I think this is on the money right here. Everyone read this^^^^^^^^^^
YOU GET SOME REP POINTS FROM ME

 

[Last Man Standing]

And the number one ANTI-HOR defense is... drum roll...........................
"I love him!!!!" and another number one is ..............drum roll................
"I'm his girlfriend"

It is all about rationalization!!!! Here is the kicker...do you notice that men never have to rationalize their behavior for pursuing a woman sexually? Does anybody know why a man doesn't and a woman does?

Justdoitanyways - your statements were once true but no longer applies to the current and last generations - the feminist movement legitimized the "women can have sex just like men" attitude!! And being a single mother is no longer frowned upon but rather encouraged now!

 

[lookyoung]

Modern savage- I think the example you posted is a bad one. I have also had girls tell me that they don't want to fvck that night, yet I fvck them. They say it jokingly though. In there heart they really want to fvck. This is not what I am talking about.


An example would be what I posted on the thread being alone with a girl, fvcking around with her, and then having her flake on you.

 

[lookyoung]

Just do it always. I disagree with #8- Men and woman are totally different when it comes to getting the juices flowing. Men get hard and want to fvck and ***. Woman need to be open emotionally to get the juices flowing. If they are not open than there is no juice flow. Take hookers for example they can fvck you and smoke a cigarrette at the same time.

Think about why can some girls orgasm when playing with themselves, but not with a guy. BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT OPENED UP EMOTIONALLY.

 

[mrRuckus]

It wasn't ASD, she just didn't want to fvck me that particular night. If she wanted to fvck me there would be no ASD.....

So if she doesn't fvck you there's no ASD

And if she does fvck you there's no ASD.

Why even make this statement then?

A girl knows before she sees you that night if she is open to having sex with you.

THAT'S WHAT ASD MEANS TO BEGIN WITH. She's OPEN to the idea but HESISTANT when the time comes to follow through.

 

[lookyoung]

So if she doesn't fvck you there's no ASD

And if she does fvck you there's no ASD.

Why even make this statement then?



THAT'S WHAT ASD MEANS TO BEGIN WITH. She's OPEN to the idea but HESISTANT when the time comes to follow through.

She is hesitant because she doesn't want to fvck you or is playing game. Other wise known as a sh1t test. ONCE AGAIN FELLAS IF A GIRL WANTS TO FVCK THERE WILL BE NO ASD. ASD IS WHEN GIRL IS NOT OPEN TO FVCKING YOU FOR A COUPLE OF DATES. SHE WILL PURPOSELY WAIT BEFORE FVCKING YOU. A GIRL WILL HAVE CLEANED HER PVSSY, MAKE SURE SHE IS WEARING A SEXY THONG BEFORE FVCKING YOU. LISTEN TO WHAT I AM SAYING SHE KNOWS BEFORE GOING OUT WITH YOU IF SHE WILL FVCK YOU. ASK ANY GIRL AND THEY WILL TELL YOU THIS. 90% OF THE TIME. The decision was made when she was at home before you picked her up.

ONS ARE WHEN THIS DOESN'T COME INTO PLAY.