The biggest difference between guys in their 20s that score versus those that don't.

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Much to the dismay of a lot of people on here, there are tons of young guys in their 20s who are sleeping with hot girls. In fact, there are a ton of younger guys who aren't all that rich but they still sleep with enough girls to the point that they are satisfied.

So what separates them from your average sexless 20 something male?

The answer is, those young guys have social value compared to the guy in his 20s that doesn't. This may seem a bit odd but it hints at status, a word we loosely throw around but do not really know the meaning of. In today's world, status a bit different and the answer is one you guys wouldn't like. Even though you won't like it, it is the truth and one all of us know deep down.

Lets look at a high status male in his 20s that gets laid a lot.

A high status male in his 20s, outside of a celebrity, is likely a guy who has friends and a big social circle to be a part of. He rarely heads out to bars or clubs alone, he has a group of people to go out with. The same guy is probably living in a big or cool city, working a job that pays well enough, and always has some friends to hang out with.

If you look at his social media page, he likely has a lot of legitimate followers and gets a lot of likes on his photos. When girls scroll through social media pages and see a nice photo with a lot of likes, that is social proof in today's world. The same guy has status to his crowd and he can easily branch out from there to other crowds if he pleases, meeting women and getting laid is no issue to him.

The fun girls see on social media?

They want to be a part of that in the same way a regular guy wants to be in bed with a hot girl. Girls imagine themselves being a part of that guy's life, being in pics with him, dating him, sleeping with him, and introducing him to their friends.

He might not be very rich but he still manages to have an awesome time.

Now lets look at a guy in his 20s that struggles.

The incel is likely a misfit that doesn't have that large of a social circle to go out with, hang out with, and stays in. He reads some "self-improvement" stuff and stays in on a Friday night because "bars and nightclubs are dumb". He struggles with social media so he doesn't get on it, often talking about how it is for self-centered morons.

Most of his time is spent in loner hobbies, he doesn't value social life. A lot of his hobbies are geeky and involve things like anime or board games, things that drive most attractive women away. The worst part is that the boards he visits will have PUAs telling him to "take pride in that", which is horrible advice.

He relies on the occasional cold approach hoping that some random woman will bite but most will tell you, cold approaching is a ton of rejection and the rare few women willing to say yes but most don't.

He also likely lives in the boring part of town, the suburbs, or a small town everyone that wanted to do something with their lives left.

No hot girl wants to be a part of that.

Not hot girl wants to be with the guy that hardly has any friends because that is the exact opposite of social proof.

What really separates the two from each other?

Compared to the high status guy, the incel sucks at selling himself to the world. Not to hot girls, but the world.

Important people, not just hot girls, want nothing to do with him.

Alpha males want nothing to do with him.

Hot girls do not want to be seen near him.

He is the product that no one wants to consider buying.

He is a brand with a bad reputation so hot girls and other avoid him like the plague.

There is nothing really going on in the life of the incel other than maybe work, he is a boring person to be around and a lame kid.
 

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Much to the dismay of a lot of people on here, there are tons of young guys in their 20s who are sleeping with hot girls.
This sounds like a straw man to me. I can't think of one person here who has a problem with young guys in their 20s sleeping with hot girls. In fact, if we're talking about girls in their 20s, I'm sure there are more guys in their 20s banging them than any other demographic.

The thing that young guys have going for them is logistics. Young people like to congregate together, they gather together in social situations. Go to a club, or certain bars on a Friday night, many of them are exclusively people in their 20s. They throw parties, they go to events. There are plenty of chances for mingling if you are even a moderately socially active young adult. Young men have more access to young women than anyone else.

I don't think young guys even have to have good game to get laid. Unless they are completely backward, they will likely just fall into it (which is why they call it "getting lucky"). Maybe they can't get laid as much as they want, but oh well, cry me a river, we all have problems. Do something about it.

What about young guys who are from wealthy families though? These are the guys who are well dressed, drive cool cars, they often get prime sports positions because their families are well connected. They get hired at the best paying places. Maybe they can afford to live in the frat house. These guys have their choice of girls. I don't hear people saying these girls are gold diggers though, or that these guys are "paying for it". Money gives you status, even when you are young.
 

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Much to the dismay of a lot of people on here, there are tons of young guys in their 20s who are sleeping with hot girls.
Perhaps the dumbest words ever uttered. This coming from a woman who won't even pretend she is a man anymore.

News flash: girls tend to score with the boys they are in the same room as. That doesn't mean 10th grade boys are their first choice.

No, here is the real quote: "Much to the dismay of chunky 30-something Mexican women posing as men on SS, there are tons of guys in their 40's and older who are sleeping with hot girls in their 20s."

What about young guys who are from wealthy families though? These are the guys who are well dressed, drive cool cars, they often get prime sports positions because their families are well connected. They get hired at the best paying places. Maybe they can afford to live in the frat house. These guys have their choice of girls. I don't hear people saying these girls are gold diggers though, or that these guys are "paying for it". Money gives you status, even when you are young.
Great point. Olly doesn't consider it "paying for it" if your daddy is paying for it. But if it took you until past age 25 to earn the money from scratch, you old sugar daddy perv!
 

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Much to the dismay of a lot of people on here, there are tons of young guys in their 20s who are sleeping with hot girls.
Did it ever occur to you that people don't stay in their 20s forever? You know, a lot of the time, when we talk about things getting better for you in your 30s, we are trying to encourage the younger guys who are having a tough time. Because they are going to be in their 30s some day, sooner than they think most likely. If they start putting in the self improvement work now, it's going to pay off for them some day.

On the other hand, if they sit around with no work ethic, and drink beer and pizza all day and play video games, they're just going to get fat. You reap what you sow. We're trying to say be smart and invest in yourself.

Great point. Olly doesn't consider it "paying for it" if your daddy is paying for it. But if it took you until past age 25 to earn the money from scratch, you old sugar daddy perv!
A lot of the children of well to do families that I knew had jobs and earned quite a bit of their own money at a young age. Because they were given a high paying job in the family business, or their dad pulled some strings to get them on at a good place. So it wasn't all just given to them necessarily. But they had advantages some of the rest of us didn't have, and things certainly came easier for them.
 

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Did it ever occur to you that people don't stay in their 20s forever?
Again, I'll bet money Olly is a woman over age 30, because the only explaination for her theme is that she is simply here to shame older men into feeling over the hill the way she is feeling.
 

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Yep...all you have to be is related to someone or be buds with someone that can hook you up with a good job.

Nepotism = good job

Most 20 somethings now are just working 10 to 12/hr jobs.....part time.

People in here just fail to mention that.
 

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olly is definitely a shill/troll/autist


lol its funny checking ollys thread creations. there seems to be an obsession with the age of 30, as well as a wierd infatuation with creating seemingly the same thread over an over ahaha
 

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Why is everyone angry at me for telling it like it is?
Because what you are telling us is not how it is and you refuse to take in, or even consider taking in, anything that other people are telling you.

It's like you're trying to force other people to believe the way you want life to work so that you can feel better about yourself.

I would never hate on a fellow big ten alum, but you need to see a therapist, preferably a guy who "gets it" regarding some of the stuff that is preached on forums like SS. You may have to shop around a bit to find that.

There's no shame in talking to someone. Hell, I've done it before. They can help you work through a lot of sh*t.
 
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So basically... introverts are disadvantaged?
On the surface, it can sometimes SEEM that way. But, all is not lost. Introverts simply have to try to utilize their strengths.

For example, I'm much more comfortable with one on one conversations than group conversations. So at party or work function, I pick ONE person to chat with at a time.

I prefer more substantive, in-depth conversations than friendly fluff talk. I choose the person and topic of interest carefully so I'm not stuck talking about the weather.
 
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Because what you are telling us is not how it is and you refuse to take in, or even consider taking in, anything that other people are telling you.

It's like you're trying to force other people to believe the way you want life to work so that you can feel better about yourself.

I would never hate on a fellow big ten alum, but you need to see a therapist, preferably a guy who "gets it" regarding some of the stuff that is preached on forums like SS. You may have to shop around a bit to find that.

There's no shame in talking to someone. Hell, I've done it before. They can help you work through a lot of sh*t.
What I said is the truth regarding being in your 20s and getting laid, anyone with an ounce of life experience around 20 somethings will see it that way instead of losers coming up with "but bruh like read good books and u will get poosy".

Tell me one thing I said in the OP that isn't true, you couldn't even if you wanted to.
 
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Again, I'll bet money Olly is a woman over age 30, because the only explaination for her theme is that she is simply here to shame older men into feeling over the hill the way she is feeling.
If anything, I WANT older guys to do well and if you read this thread, it had nothing to do with older men, you're far too sensitive about this sort of stuff.
 

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What I said is the truth regarding being in your 20s and getting laid, anyone with an ounce of life experience around 20 somethings will see it that way instead of losers coming up with "but bruh like read good books and u will get poosy".

Tell me one thing I said in the OP that isn't true, you couldn't even if you wanted to.
Because you are racist
 

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I get the gist of what you're trying to say, but man oh man did you fvck up the message somewhere along the lines while typing it out.

Social circle matters a lot, but it's also looks and style too. The frat boy who's ugly as crap, handicapped with women, and doesn't take care of himself is NOT going to beat a lone wolf who is good looking, takes care of himself, has amazing social skills, etc. Olly, I et what you are trying to say but you are looking at it like an autistic boy who's watched too many high school drama tv shows. By your standards, college athletes should be the cream of the crop in terms of women's pickings, but that is NOT the case. How do I know this? Because I actually WAS division 1 athlete during part of the school year, and if anything it made it harder to get women simply because of how much we were training while trying to balance out academics and sleep. Unlike you Olly, I speak from experience on this topic. Yeah it helps, but it definitely isn't the end-all, be-all. The reason why people don't EVER make threads like these is because it's a stereotypical cliche, TOO MUCH so. That's why we all get irritated with these posts. It's not like how you portray it to be.
 
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