The bible was not written through god.

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It was written by people. If, God wanted people to read the bible, why doesn't he write it himself? It would have no errors and contradictions. If you look at websites, they show literally 1000's of contradictions in the bible. And mistakes too.

God is supposed to be all powerful, thus it would take no effort at all to write it.

Another thing, is that if God wants you to believe in him, he would just show up. Why play hide and seek? He would be punishing people for not believing he exists, which has nothing to do if the person is good or bad. Serial killers and molesters would be going to heaven just by believing and repenting.

The idea of god and the bible were created by men trying to control soceity.
 
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Oh yeah, everyone needs to believe in your religion right? If not they are trolls? So I guess 80% of the worlds population is a "troll" to you. :rolleyes:
 

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Oh yeah, everyone needs to believe in your religion right? If not they are trolls? So I guess 80% of the worlds population is a "troll" to you. :rolleyes:
you are a troll not because you claim to have an opinion. you are a troll because you dont have anything better to offer and just express your opinion for the sake of stirring strife.
 

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I grew up going through the whole Catholic thing.
There are a lot of problems with the Bible as I found out much later in life.

I wish there wasn't.

It's kinda like finding out their's no Santa Claus....only worst.
 

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QueRico said:
you are a troll because you dont have anything better to offer and just express your opinion for the sake of stirring strife.
No you're wrong, I really do believe that the bible was not inspired by god.
 

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No you're wrong, I really do believe that the bible was not inspired by god.
so what?

Religion is important to our society; although a farce, it is necessary for us to function as a society, because if we are left to our devices and without fear of a Superior Being the Ignorant would not care to harm or destroy each other. Yes, Religion is a necessary evil to save us from ourselves, the Communist know this, because when religion disappears the fear of the State replaces God.

-Sapiens
thats funny.
 

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So it means you're wrong. haha

And it's kind of scary how you quote that guy. I mean I know you worshipped him, but I meant that figuritively at first, but now it's probably literal. lol
 

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dont feed the troll.

You tell people I'm a troll and not to "feed" me yet you reply to me more than everyone else COMBINED!!! hahahah what a hypocrite.

I've always stated that if you don't like my threads, then don't read and don't reply.
 

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So it means you're wrong. haha

And it's kind of scary how you quote that guy. I mean I know you worshipped him, but I meant that figuritively at first, but now it's probably literal. lol
worship him? i think you read his ideas and made them your own. then you tried to disparage him.

troll loser you are.
 

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So why did you write "dont' feed the troll" yet you obsessively reply to me huh? I guess someone hit you on the head one too many times LOL
 

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So why did you write "dont' feed the troll" yet you obsessively reply to me huh? I guess someone hit you on the head one too many times LOL
to shot you down with logic. you have proved the point that you are a troll.

i won't reply anymore.
 

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worship him? i think you read his ideas and made them your own. then you tried to disparage him.

troll loser you are.
holy crap you're insane. So of the billions of non-christians out there who think religion is used to control soceity, I copied his idea? Um, I think in that thread (that I'm sure you've memorized by now) he states that he believes in a personal God, yet in my thread I state he doesn't exist. You are really clueless.
 

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to shot you down with logic. you have proved the point that you are a troll.
Logic? Where did you use logic, dumbass? You're so dumb you couldn't even say one counterpoint except for "you're a troll". Wow, that's great "logic" you got there.... :kick:
 

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you are a troll not because you claim to have an opinion. you are a troll because you dont have anything better to offer and just express your opinion for the sake of stirring strife.
Is that the official definition of a troll? I like it. :up:
 

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Francisco, I know you have posted more than any guy on these forums but are you the oldest guy on these forums?
 

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What are your intentions?
 

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They're not sexual. I want to see how people use rational thought to either agree or disagree with what I was stating.
 

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Is that if God wants you to believe in him, he would just show up. Why play hide and seek?
True that. The greatest evidence speaking against the existence of a divine being is you can't see it. One factor speaking against the existence of any divine being is the many purported versions. Forget about the "issue" of what is the "one true religion". If there really was a god, it'd be so obvious by now, with all the marvels of the advances in science; there would be no question of its existence and of what version it took form. So, by the very factor that there's a Roman Catholic god, a Muslim god, a very many Hindu and Native American Indian gods, and god knows how many other gods, speaks tremendously against the existence of any god, much less which version is correct.

Carl Sagan painted a wonderful illustration of why atheism is the correct stance. If it was said that there is a dragon in your garage, but one which is invisible, rendering ineffective your ability to see it; which is also floating, rendering ineffective your ability to track it; which, while fire-breathing, is heatless, rendering ineffective your ability to sense it; essentially that if at every point and turn, the dragon was outside the realm of detection...

"What's the difference between an invisible, incorporeal, floating dragon who spits heatless fire and no dragon at all? If there's no way to disprove my contention, no conceivable experiment that would count against it, what does it mean to say that my dragon exists? Your inability to invalidate my hypothesis is not at all the same thing as proving it true. Claims that cannot be tested, assertions immune to disproof are veridically worthless, whatever value they may have in inspiring us or in exciting our sense of wonder."The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan

That perfectly describes the god quandary. The greatest argument put forth by theists for the existence of god is "You can neither prove nor disprove" the existence of god. They unwittingly admit their god doesn't exist. Atheists win by default. If you cannot conceivably be proven wrong, you will lose arguments every time (at least logically. God will win the emotional victory on any given day).
The idea of god [was] created by men trying to control soceity.
This, I must disagree.

The conception of a god arose to answer three things: 1) To answer for the uncertainties of the cosmos; god is in the gaps, so to speak; anything which cannot yet be explained by science is automatically attributed to god; as knowledge has expanded over the centuries, god has shrunk; it used to be "magical" and an "act of god" how when people had sex that the woman's belly stretched and nine months later gave birth, but now we know how the mechanical process works; 2) To answer for the visciousness of the universe; lightning, hurricanes, volcanoes, famine, snowstorms—"surely" those were acts from a divine being, one to be praised, prayed, worshipped, for safe harbor and nutrition; 3) To cope with the viscious human life cycle and the knowledge of impending death.

It's also evolutionary. We are pattern-seeking creatures, trying to find patterns in everything. For 250,000 years superstitious beliefs held a monopoly over thought and, comparatively speaking, if all that time was compressed into a single day, it was not until a blink of an eye a second ago that science arose and became a viable option. Belief in a god is an entirely emotional affair, deeply rooted in hundred of thousands of years of relying on it to ease our curiousities and fears, and that is something which is not easily erased by the very late entry of rational thought.

There is no longer a need for god. The conventional wisdom that society needs religion in order to keep order is patently false. Apparently, sometimes conventional wisdom is dumb.
 
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