the "bible" from an outside perspective

[Mantis Toboggan]

I never said it should cover every possible situation, but for me to name the top 15 in which guys encounter all the time and it to not cover ONE properly, you don't think thats a problem? come on now, lets be serious

Okay. It's a problem and you don't like the site.

Seems like the easy solution would be to find a site that you DO like. You know, instead of telling everyone how enlightened you are.

 

[Warrior74]

I never said it should cover every possible situation, but for me to name the top 15 in which guys encounter all the time and it to not cover ONE properly, you don't think thats a problem? come on now, lets be serious

Once you see a problem, you have two choices. Fix it or leave it. But you know there's no crying in baseball.

 

[teacha]

where can I purchase your products because I seriously think you onto something here and have really wanted the answers to those questions you just highlighted in this thread.

You seem to be the only guy here that knows what he's doing and just doesn't go with the crowd.

 

[Mantis Toboggan]

where can I purchase your products because I seriously think you onto something here and have really wanted the answers to those questions you just highlighted in this thread.

You seem to be the only guy here that knows what he's doing and just doesn't go with the crowd.

I thought I remembered you mocking this guy in a previous thread. And I was right.

me and my girl friends?! :crackup:

we get it you are trying to promote your products here and whatnot but please just stop with the BULLSH1T advice already. This is just too retarded to ignore.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1746308&postcount=17

 

[the305]

where can I purchase your products because I seriously think you onto something here and have really wanted the answers to those questions you just highlighted in this thread.

You seem to be the only guy here that knows what he's doing and just doesn't go with the crowd.

I don't sell products, the site in signature is only a site i helped out with, and its not even really live yet.

i would suggest looking for a lair in your area, go out with guys in person who want to achieve the same goals you want to achieve, thats probably the best way as its live in person and free - you make great friends as well.

P.S.

i could careless if this was someone trolling, i know someone will read this, get insight, and improve. to me thats worth the post.

i think this site has more misguided information then guided information, so if i could help one person, honestly im happy with that, i've had tons of private messages from guys asking for more info and even thanking me... nothing else really matters to me in regards to this site, to be honest.

 

[j0n24]

Now more about what i'm specifically referring to: What about the guys are in a fairly good position mentally.. emotionally.. etc after reading this site or never reading this site. The guys who just don't know WHAT to do to get women. They don't know what attracts them, what turns them off, how to handle approaching women, and what message should be relayed during an approach. How should they act around women?

I don't see anywhere, where this is "really" covered. Only a "just do it, just be confident, just approach, just be a man" nike commercial message being replayed over and over. To cover everyones problems, sticking points, etc.. Thats silly to me.

WHY? Why as a human being do you need answers to all of that material? There is no point in going through ALL of your "Bullet Points." I agree with someone saying that IF we did the Bible would NEVER be finished, because something new could happen every day.....
what if you get pulled over and its a hot girl cop?
what if you order pizza and its a hot girl deliver girl?
what if you have a hot teacher you want to game?
what if
what if
what if

It's pointless to go on about irrelevant things when the answer is plain and simple and has already been said by you..."Just be a man."

When you go to get your drivers liscense and taking that driving course do they tell you every little thing that could happen on the road or do they tell you the general basic things of driving?

Do they tell you what to do if there is a crash on the road?
Do they tell you what to do if you run out of gas in the middle lane of a freeway?
Do they tell you what to do if you see a hitchhiker on the side of the road oh and god forbid its a hot female hitchhiker....what on earth are you suppose to say when you slow down?!!?!?!

Just relax and do what everyone else does wing it the only way you will learn the answers to these questions is actually having the experience to have tried them first hand.

PS: What ARE YOU suppose to do if there is a hot female hitch hiker?

 

[the305]

j0n24:

I clearly addressed this in this thread before.

I never said it should cover every possible situation, but for me to name the top 15 in which guys encounter all the time and it to not cover ONE properly, you don't think thats a problem? come on now, lets be serious

 

[teacha]

so do you have the answers to these questions or not?

 

[bukowski_merit]

-the inner workings of what attracts women(yes, confidence and non neediness is one small part of it)

Yes, non-neediness, confidence, reputation/social status, if other women are into you, looks/style/hygiene, sense of humor, $, knowing how to lead, knowing how to talk to her emotions, showing no fear of her reactions, and many other small things combine to create that.

-what makes you a likable person

You really need to be around someone and see what they're doing wrong to do this. There's guy on this site who say, "everyone hates me; no one wants to hang around me." And we can do our best to try to figure out what is wrong with them. But the reality is - the person would have to know their own true downfalls to get real answers (and often they blame it on things that are not relevant to people liking them or not.)

-how to deal with tests from women

This is widely addressed here. Specifics are given.

-how to deal with groups of women

There's a very small percentage of people who come here who are looking for club game advice (where you'll find most groups of women while doing pickup). It's not really a topic worth covering HERE. There's plenty of other sites and books dedicated to just this. Why should we be one too?

-how to turn a friend zone into something sexual

There's 3 ways: 1) A LOT of alcohol/drugs. 2) Withdrawing your attention and giving it to other women infront of her. Then doing things right if she gets jealous. 3) Completely cutting her off and coming back to her at a later time and not fvcking up this time!

Short of those 3 working - there isn't another way (assuming you are in the friendzone). And that's the advice given. There's at least 6 books out there written on this topic alone. 100's of pages each. Same with any of these topics. You expect us to just spout off whole books or something?

-how to handle situations where you just said something really stupid

Really? We need this in the bible? I say stupid sh!t all the time...

-how to approach in a bar/club verses in the street where women have two completely different mind sets

Again, there's WHOLE BOOKS dedicated to this; hundreds, maybe thousands of them. 300-400 pages of absolute mind-blowing analysis covering every angle possible. Most people on this site seem to favor day game and social circle pickup (i do too, but i also do club game about 3 times a month). I don't think there's a shortage of information here; you just have to dig for it.

-where to take a girl on a date so its memorable and different, not typical and boring

You can take her anywhere. It's YOU who will make the date memorable and different or typical and boring.

-what to do so a girl wont flake on you

There's only things you can do to reduce it. There's NOTHING you can do to keep it from happening completely short of sticking a gun in her mouth and making her go on the date with you. Anyone trying to say they know a 100% way to never get flaked on - is selling pipes.

-how to handle a **** blocking from girl friends

Covered extensively here. It's a common problem, why wouldn't it be? It's also covered in every pick-up manual ever written. Why beat dead horses?

-how to get a girl to want to go out with you before you even asked her to go out

Why not shoot higher? Why not - how to get a girl to want to go out with you so bad that she'll ask you out???

-how to consistently geta girl to leave the club with you

Why are you dropping pick-up artist topics typically covered in those types of books???? Almost every pickup topic you talk about is covered in Mystery Method or any other garden variety PUA book. Most guys come here with specific women or examples in mind. Same day/night lays are not for new guys to be trying anyway. Sh!t, i've been doing this for half a decade now; and have only a handful of ONS.... I'd hate to try to give a newbie advice on this (which is what most question askers are)and expect them to do it.

-ways to get threesomes

why is this important?

-how to develop your social intelligence

Covered here to an extent, but comes from experience and is based largely on your own persona. Your social intelligence is probably different from mine.

-how to get multiple friends with benefits

Most guys here need to work on getting ONE FWB! Once they reach that point - then we can talk.

-anxiety exercises , because telling a guy to "JUST DO IT" sometimes doesnt work

But there is no better exercise than just doing it and learning that nothing bad is going to happen to you....

From my reading, this site advises you to NEXT a girl whenever you don't know what to do for the above listed bullet points, the reason is "its a waste of time" I really believe thats a cop out and a poor excuse..

I somewhat agree with you. There's too many guys on this site that think a girl should be nexted whenever she sh!t tests you or begins to lose interest.... I understand that most guys on here who come seeking advice - are horrible with women! But there's better ways than just saying "next that b!tch"....

For example, there was a post from a guy saying, "what should i do if a girl says my date idea is cheap." And 50% of this board said "hang up" or "next her instantly" - which to me (unlike you) is a viable option. BUT, to me - that's just a sh!t test and she's probably use to guys spoiling her. I would love to have a woman call a date idea cheap and NOT spoil her at any step in our relationship.

If i nexted every girl who sh!t tested me, i'd really get tired of pickup and women quick! Same if i nexted a woman as soon as she started losing interest. A woman losing interest IS NOT always a sign another guy is in the picture like this board thinks. It's often a sign - you are fvcking up as a man. Most likely in all of the departments i talked about in response #1.

But, as someone pointed out here - MOST guys who ask for advice on a specific woman here are HOPELESSLY filled with oneitis for her! Honestly, the only advice is to next a woman in that situation. No matter what other advice we give a guy - he will not follow it OR he will, but as soon as he gets her back - he slips back into his AFC shell again.

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Ultimately, i guess you're saying the bible itself does not cover these bases - which i don't know if it does or not, i haven't read it in 5 years. But, whatever isn't covered there, can be asked here.

And while some will just mumble "be a man" and "stop being a pu$$y" - there are people who take the time to type out long-winded advice; that probably will never be followed by the person reading it because he is too much of a pu$$y and not enough of a man.

So the "be a man" crowd wins.... flawless victory....

 

[joe henny]

Don Juan Bible? Never read it...never needed to. When you come to a site like this with your game handled and see all these different posts and guys struggling its sad. I, do believe that men don't need all this a1 b2=c2 bullshlt to get women. I believe only a few things need to be done, and all these things are FREE!

1. Inner game:Most of these guys are complete symps who don't understand women, or how to treat them. They are in such awe of these "angels" they lose their balls and stress out over them. I believe to fix inner game they need to listen to podcast or music or talk to a player in real life. For podcast I only listen to two people Tariq Nasheed, and Player Supreme

2. Outer game: Hit the gym, learn to dress better, learn to communicate properly, and work on being normal if your a fvcking geek.

I sincerely believe that any virgin on here in three months could go from a virgin to a guy who gets laid in three months if they do these things.

Women aren't that serious or that complicated they're fvcking human beings just like guys. The thing is most guys are stuck on getting the pvssy before getting to know a b1tch so they blow any chance with a chick by stressing out. "oh no I did this wrong I don't think I'm going to get laid now".

It's just sad that guys are so blind from the truth and it's right in front of them. Getting one girl at a time is not HARD! In fact any old geek/chump could get one girl at a time, and thats why you do see alot of geeks and dweebs with girlfriends.

Now getting more then one woman at a time, building a "TEAM" is a bit harder and takes some adjustment in inner beliefs to overcome. Once your at a spot where you understand what your doing and don't feel bad about playing women or having more than one fvck buddy then things get easier. Because ONCE YOU LEARN HOW TO GET A FEMALE ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS DUPLICATE THAT SAME PROCESS OVER AND OVER TO GET MANY

It just amazes me when guys complain about one itis and people recommend getting more women and they say they don't know how? Are you kidding me?! If you got her you can get others go out and hunt!

"If a hunter lost a rabbit do you think he would cry over it? No he would go hunt for more!"
-Player Supreme

 

[joe henny]

Also I can't stand the friend zone thing it creeps me out to think grown men obsess over women and never tell them how they feel but just hang around as the creepy friend. as for friend ship this is how I feel on the matter:

Friendship- Abandon all hope ye who enter!

“But why, Pook!? Why is friendship hopeless!? I fall in love with my female friends.

Do they not do the same?” Pook then called up a woman. She appeared in a blaze of fire (probably from the place which all women are from…). “Oh woman, pray tell! Why do you not go after your male friends?” The woman looked amazed that anyone could ask her that.

“Because they are just friends.” “But do they not fall in love with you?” “Yes. My male friends constantly fall in love with me.”

“And, speak truly madam, what do you and your male friends do?”

“Oh! Well, we hang out. We talk a lot.”

“Talk? About what?”

“Everything. Anything.”

“And they fall in love with you.”

“Yes.”

“Ahh…” said the Pook. “Now we have the answer. Away with you!” And the woman vanished in a fireball.

“What answer?” “Why, it is a difference between the sexes. Young man, what do you do with your friends?” He looked thoughtful. “We play basketball. We ride around town. We play video games. We…”

“But do you and your guy friends ever sit around and talk about your feelings and things going on in your life?”

The young man looked angry. “HELL NO!”

“There is your answer. Men do not get together and just talk. We do things. When we are with our women friends, we talk much more. Since we reserve our talking, sharing emotions and experiences, to our romantic interest, we get confused with our female friends. We begin to get interested in them because of this.”

“But what about women, Pook?”

Pook pointed to the telephone lines above them. Lightning surged and glowed along the lines.

“The phone lines! They are on fire!”

“Indeed. When women get together, what do they do?”

The young man looked at the fiery lines. “They talk!”

“About what?”

He looked thoughtful as sparks rained on him. “Everything!”

“Women usually aren’t used to getting together and doing pure action. So when they do so with their guy friends, they get a bit confused as well.”

“I see…”

“So avoid the friendship route. When you see a woman you are interested in, go for her romantically. For a friend she sees, a friend you shall always be.”
-The Book of Pook

Once you enter in friendzone 9/10 times it's not worth it, and I say this from experience I have gotten out of the friendzone before when I was younger but I honestly don't think it was worth it.

 

[Kailex]

Now more about what i'm specifically referring to: What about the guys are in a fairly good position mentally.. emotionally.. etc after reading this site or never reading this site. The guys who just don't know WHAT to do to get women. They don't know what attracts them, what turns them off, how to handle approaching women, and what message should be relayed during an approach. How should they act around women?

The problem is that even guys who are in a fairly good position mentally and emotionally that are TRYING to get women and don't know how to act aren't seeing the root of the problem.

By trying too hard, they are putting themselves in a position to fail. Once they come to realize that women aren'tt he pretty princesses that they make themselves out to be, they start to succeed.

Unfortunately, most guys fall for the social conventions of "Follow the blueprint" and start to panic once they hit their mid 20's and still are single or even virgins. If only they knew that by their mid 30's, it'll probably be the other way around.


The answer to the question "How should they act around women?" is "They should act around women as they would act around anyone else they are not interested in. But the search for the golden goose proves to be a troubling one because they will have a set of standards that they want filled out and once they find it, they don't know how to disarm all the booby traps around it.

That's why the best advice other than "Be the best version of a man that you can possibly be" is "Date as many women as you can as much as you can".



Now, you pose the question of how do they even begin to talk to women. I know I am jumping from Point A to Point B, but I think the answer to the question is actually a ... weird one.

Avoid the internet.

That's right, I said it. You see, I think the internet has become a HUGE crutch in going out with women. Nothing substitutes real world experience and more often than not, men come here with any sort of question to any ridiculous situation when there is absolutely no substitute for failure and learning from it.

Now, instead of asking a friend or a relative what they think and get some feedback, we can google it or come on a forum and ask mundane questions like, "She took 2 hours to text me back. What does that mean?"

Meeting and talking girls should be second nature to men, but now since the advent of the internet, cell phones, email, texting, Twitter, etc... there seems to be a HUGE disconnect between men and how to approach women. I bet 40% of these problems posted would be resolved if a guy just went up to the girl and said "Hi". I cringe whenever I read about the NEW UNIVERSAL OPENER. In my experience, nothing is better than a good "Hello" or "Hi". That's why I am a huge fan of the Bootcamp.

How do you talk to women, how do you act around them? You learn to become more social. And in this day and age, everyone wants to skip Point A to Point Z without doing all of the groundwork. That's why PUA camps are such a success, they sell you the magic pill and you take it. But underneath that pill, there's layers of nothingness. No one wants to put in the amount of sweat, trials and tribulations to become a better person socially. We all want it done NOW without realizing it takes years of experience. I know it, most of the posters in the Mature Men section know it. Sure, you can learn all the cool neg hits here, but what do you do after? You're nothing if you are a bunch of canned lines, but if you're a complete person, you'll beat Mr. Canned Line 10 times out of 10.

It all stems to becoming a better version of you and taking the time it needs to be better socially and know every part of yourself as much as you possibly can. Once we all learn that we can and will fail, but that each failure gets us closer to victory overall, the sooner these forums will become obsolete.

I hope for the day that happens.

 

[Maxtro]

The bible is a disorganized mess burdened with irrelevant material.


The whole uplifting material section is pointless except for one or two pieces. Confidence is not going to come from reading an article.

There needs to be a much bigger focus on social skills, as it's not uncommon for guys who do poorly with women, to do poorly with everybody else.

There is very little, if any material on social circle / college game. The PU industry as a whole seems to ignore those two. Which is completely ridiculous as that's how the majority of guys actually meet women. Information on where to meet them and how to attract them is much needed.

There is nothing at all about dates. It's basically, "Congratulations on getting a first date with a girl, good luck. Don't worry, the forum members will be happy to tell you that you failed if you didn't sleep with her."

A frequently mentioned but rarely explained concept is 'be sexual' or 'unleash your sexual energy.' It sounds great, but guys who have little to no experience don't have a clue what it actually means.

It would be useful to have a section on different types of women and what works best on them. The girl who's home every weekend playing Call of Duty needs to be gamed differently from the girl who goes to frat parties every week. Also some girls are much more sexually liberated than others.

A section on personality disorders and depression could also be helpful. Those things can really make getting women much more difficult.

The Bible can become useful, but it needs massive restructuring.

 

[Kirro]

The bible is a disorganized mess burdened with irrelevant material.


The whole uplifting material section is pointless except for one or two pieces. Confidence is not going to come from reading an article.

There needs to be a much bigger focus on social skills, as it's not uncommon for guys who do poorly with women, to do poorly with everybody else.

There is very little, if any material on social circle / college game. The PU industry as a whole seems to ignore those two. Which is completely ridiculous as that's how the majority of guys actually meet women. Information on where to meet them and how to attract them is much needed.

There is nothing at all about dates. It's basically, "Congratulations on getting a first date with a girl, good luck. Don't worry, the forum members will be happy to tell you that you failed if you didn't sleep with her."

A frequently mentioned but rarely explained concept is 'be sexual' or 'unleash your sexual energy.' It sounds great, but guys who have little to no experience don't have a clue what it actually means.

It would be useful to have a section on different types of women and what works best on them. The girl who's home every weekend playing Call of Duty needs to be gamed differently from the girl who goes to frat parties every week. Also some girls are much more sexually liberated than others.

A section on personality disorders and depression could also be helpful. Those things can really make getting women much more difficult.

The Bible can become useful, but it needs massive restructuring.

Points to Sage Kailex's post. His post nails it on the head. Instead of asking to be spoonfed info, go out & compile the data through your own eyes & actions. Then one day maybe you can add in all the sections that are missing.