The best and worst cities for men for dating

[SW15]

It should be noted that people tend to refer to the SF Bay Area as a single dating market, this is incorrect. San Jose is worse than San Francisco, and both are worse than say Livermore or Walnut Creek, which strangely enough are considered the Bay Area. There are micro-markets here. Dating in Palo Alto, Portola Valley and Woodside is massively different than dating in Fremont/Milpitas.

Keep in mind the Bay Area is 8 million people alone, bigger than many states populations.

Good point about the micro-markets. Dallas-Fort Worth has a similar metro area population to the SF Bay Area and there are micro-markets here. Dallas and Fort Worth are separate markets as I indicated in the first post of the Dallas thread (see below). Trying to date in the Collin County suburbs would be different than trying to date in a neighborhood of mainly never married bougie White women near Downtown Dallas.

Observations on Dallas' Scene

Based on @Jesse Pinkman's write ups of New York City, Miami, and large state universities, I thought it would be worthwhile to write up Dallas, the city I call home. The Dallas-Fort Worth metropolitan area (DFW) is the 4th most populated metropolitan area in the United States. Dallas and Fort...

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[Mike32ct]

Stupid.

Boston is a horrible city for men. Girls are ugly there.

New England in general is not really recommended for dating.

 

[SW15]

Boston is a horrible city for men. Girls are ugly there.

I've never seduced in Boston but I believe this. I have been to Boston in travels and haven't been impressed by it. I haven't heard a lot of good feedback.

New England in general is not really recommended for dating.

I agree with this. Why were you saying that New England is not recommended for dating? In general, Boston is best the best option in New England.

I'm most familiar with Maine in New England.

Maine has a reputation of being hostile to outsiders who move there. It's known for being rather insular. This is true in both Portland (the biggest city) and the smaller areas. For those who are long time Mainers with good social circles, it can be ok for longer term dating. It's easy to think of dating in Portland, ME as a smaller version of Nashville (@CornbreadFed would identify), Atlanta, or Charlotte with a northern climate and northern attitudes.

If you're a Mainer who can't date well within social circles or your hometown is too small, you tend to move to Boston or even the New York City area. The majority would go to Boston.

Vermont and New Hampshire are somewhat similar to Maine, though neither state has a metro area as big as Portland. Vermont and New Hampshire don't have as much of a reputation for hostility to outsiders, though neither is likely a great place for dating. It would likely be possible to date through social circles but most people raised in Vermont and New Hampshire end up in Boston as adults as well for more dating and work opportunities.

I don't think there's much is Massachusetts outside of Boston. Cape Cod and Martha's Vineyard to me seem like places where people in established couples would be. I haven't heard anything about Springfield, MA other than it being one of the few places in the US where younger unmarried women outnumbered younger unmarried men in the early 2010s.

I haven't heard anything about Providence, Rhode Island.

 

[Knight of Roses]

Phoenix is a mediocre mating environment. @CornbreadFed did not rate it very highly in his cities thread from January 2024.

I stand by my words in the Phoenix scene that I started in 2022.

Observations on Phoenix's Scene

Phoenix, Arizona has become one of the biggest metropolitan areas in the United States. It has grown a lot in recent decades. The 2020 Census estimated that Maricopa County (covering most of Metro Phoenix) has a 4.4 million population. In 1990, Maricopa County only had 2.1 million people. Almost...

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While some men can do well in Phoenix, it is a market that is challenging in general.

I think Phoenix is more challenging if one has the overall goals of longer term relationships.

In looking back on my time spent in Phoenix, I made some mistakes that worsened my own outcomes there. I spent too much time in the Old Town Scottsdale bars. That's a tough environment for a lot of men to succeed. After leaving Phoenix, I became more focused upon non-bar approaching.

I've always done well in Phoenix but I do have to agree with several of your statements. Primarily, as I've mentioned in serveral of my previous threads, I primarily hunt in the service industry / stripper venues. So majority of my girls have been strippers / bottle girls / bartenders. While these women are gorgeous, none of them have been long term mating caliber.

You are correct in that majority of hot women have bad attitudes, especially white women. And its hard to penetrate the attractive latina circles unless you have contacts or connections into their friend groups.

So I suppose that if you're solely relying on random Day game encounters or just purely hunting in Old Town, it'll get difficult. Those Old Town girls are really notorious for bad attitudes, annoyingness, and being less than enjoyable company. Lot of women are entitled here.

I've just grown accustomed to it and dealing with those attitudes because that's all I know.

 

[SW15]

as I've mentioned in serveral of my previous threads, I primarily hunt in the service industry / stripper venues. So majority of my girls have been strippers / bottle girls / bartenders. While these women are gorgeous, none of them have been long term mating caliber.

That's impressive. That seems like it would be a lot of fun. The gorgeous part is great and I'm sure the sex is good. It would be difficult to find someone from the pool of strippers/bottle girls/bartenders that would be a good fit for a 6-18 month exclusive boyfriend-girlfriend relationships, let along a legally binding marriage and possible family formation. I think you're doing well in realizing the time horizon that strippers/bottle girls/bartenders are good for and not asking too much of them.

I suppose that if you're solely relying on random Day game encounters or just purely hunting in Old Town, it'll get difficult. Those Old Town girls are really notorious for bad attitudes, annoyingness, and being less than enjoyable company. Lot of women are entitled here.

During my time in Phoenix, I was almost exclusively a nightlife approacher. I did the majority of my hunting in Old Town Scottsdale bars. I would occasionally hunt on Mill Avenue in Tempe as well.

At the time, I was aware of the concept of daygame. I had heard of the tactic of going to yoga classes and meeting women. I didn't know much else about non-bar approaching during that time in my life. I was in my early to mid 20s. I never did a grocery store or mall approach there.

I did try to dabble in some outdoor approaching in winter months along the trails for Piestewa Peak and Camelback Mountain. I did not even have a good plan in place for how to do those outdoor approaches.

It has been close to 15 years since I left Phoenix so I have had time to think about what I didn't do correctly or could have done better during my time living there. I appreciate how you acknowledged that it would be difficult to hunt via either daygame or nightgame in Old Town.

its hard to penetrate the attractive latina circles unless you have contacts or connections into their friend groups.

That's true. I didn't have that at the time. I'm a White male and I was primarily interacting with White females.

 

[Redwood]

Stop gaming in the Spring/Humble or Pasadena/Galveston then lmao.

Haven't been, I'm mostly in the Westchase District/Southwest part of town.

 

[sangheilios]

@Knight of Roses and @SW15

I grew up in the Boston metro area, left when I was in my mid 20s, and while I wasn't all that socially active back then I felt the dating market was meh. Looking back on it, a lot of the women in that area gave off a very arrogant attitude like they were better than everyone else.

A story that I've repeated on here many times was a family member that worked at a hospital telling a story about how these young nurses were having issues in the dating market. They complained of there being no men with "brains" to date lol. You'll find this is a very common trend in areas with high concentrations of "career" or "educated" women......thus the reason why they are still single and childless well into their 30s as they continue to hold out for some top tier man.

Boston metro has it's own unique characteristics. The majority of the residents of the city itself are foreign born. Those that grew up in the metros tend to have the same social circles from their younger years. In addition to this, it's an area where people aren't exactly very open or friendly, so it can be difficult to develop a social network there starting from scratch. I didn't have any friends from high school and in my late teens and early 20s found it was very difficult to make any real friends, let alone date there.

The weather also isn't all that great for most of the year and traffic/congestion is horrendous. As I reflect upon it, many gave off a very angry and aggressive attitude that I did not enjoy. For those that enjoy outdoor recreation or seeking a more laid back and relaxed atmosphere, this definitely is not the place you want to be.

Some of the pros I will give it though is there are a ridiculous number of universities throughout the entire state. Also has some of the best healthcare in the country. Considering how big of a city it is, Boston itself also has a low crime rate and very safe overall, obviously there are certain areas of the city that this is not the case though. Certain smaller cities definitely are up there for crime (Brockton, Lowell, New Bedford, etc.) but they are fairly off the radar and easy to avoid.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

@Knight of Roses and @SW15

I grew up in the Boston metro area, left when I was in my mid 20s, and while I wasn't all that socially active back then I felt the dating market was meh. Looking back on it, a lot of the women in that area gave off a very arrogant attitude like they were better than everyone else.

A story that I've repeated on here many times was a family member that worked at a hospital telling a story about how these young nurses were having issues in the dating market. They complained of there being no men with "brains" to date lol. You'll find this is a very common trend in areas with high concentrations of "career" or "educated" women......thus the reason why they are still single and childless well into their 30s as they continue to hold out for some top tier man.

Boston metro has it's own unique characteristics. The majority of the residents of the city itself are foreign born. Those that grew up in the metros tend to have the same social circles from their younger years. In addition to this, it's an area where people aren't exactly very open or friendly, so it can be difficult to develop a social network there starting from scratch. I didn't have any friends from high school and in my late teens and early 20s found it was very difficult to make any real friends, let alone date there.

The weather also isn't all that great for most of the year and traffic/congestion is horrendous. As I reflect upon it, many gave off a very angry and aggressive attitude that I did not enjoy. For those that enjoy outdoor recreation or seeking a more laid back and relaxed atmosphere, this definitely is not the place you want to be.

Some of the pros I will give it though is there are a ridiculous number of universities throughout the entire state. Also has some of the best healthcare in the country. Considering how big of a city it is, Boston itself also has a low crime rate and very safe overall, obviously there are certain areas of the city that this is not the case though. Certain smaller cities definitely are up there for crime (Brockton, Lowell, New Bedford, etc.) but they are fairly off the radar and easy to avoid.

When Southerners speak annoyingly of condescending and sanctimonious "Yankees", they are actually referring to New Englanders (of where Boston is ground zero) more so than New Yorkers. Lots of unis, a puritan heritage, lots of catholics and concomitant catholic authoritarianism, lots of Irish women, crap weather where you can hide a crap body, supposedly liberal yet notedly racist (thank you Irish victimhood and Italian insecurity). Lol, what exactly is there to like?

 

[sangheilios]

When Southerners speak annoyingly of condescending and sanctimonious "Yankees", they are actually referring to New Englanders (of where Boston is ground zero) more so than New Yorkers. Lots of unis, a puritani heritage, lots of catholics, lots of Irish women, crap weather where you can hide a crap body, supposedly liberal yet notedly racist (thank you Irish victimhood and Italian insecurity), what exactly is there to like?

You actually bring up a lot of really good points that I didn't touch on and there is a lot of truth to what you wrote.

If you are really big into sports, bars/restaurants or culture type stuff (art, theatre, music, etc.) it's a great place to live for sure. These things never really interested me personally, but it definitely has a lot to offer for those with these interests.

It has a very high cost of living and could potentially be very difficult for a young adult to get ahead financially.

 

[Captain Rizz]

This article seems accurate.

I can confirm. There are hella broads on the east coast. I did remember seeing a lot in DC.

NYC is epic indeed. Any kind of woman you could ever want. I’ll add New Jersey is pretty good too. I see baddies out and about all the time in random places. Also, in Jersey we are the most gym obsessed state. Every broad has a gym membership. So that means 9 months of yoga pants and 3 months of bikinis. The amount of ass and toned legs I see walking around in the supermarkets… it’s fvcking beautiful.

DC and New York are both easy mode indeed

 

[CornbreadFed]

Haven't been, I'm mostly in the Westchase District/Southwest part of town.

Why would any attractive single woman want to live in that area? It is basically Venezuela lol,

 

[CornbreadFed]

If you are really big into sports, bars/restaurants or culture type stuff (art, theatre, music, etc.) it's a great place to live for sure. These things never really interested me personally, but it definitely has a lot to offer for those with these interests.

I am considering moving up north or the Midwest. The south is becoming unlivable due to climate change, increased COL, and incompetent governments.

 

[EyeBRollin]

I am considering moving up north or the Midwest. The south is becoming unlivable due to climate change, increased COL, and incompetent governments.

Midwest is both country and hood. Come to the city of greatness (NYC)!

 

[Millard Fillmore]

Midwest is both country and hood. Come to the city of greatness (NYC)!

NYC is the best place I've ever lived/been for dating. Easy come easy go. Tons of new people and different types. Easy logistics and lots of date options. Plus you can be whoever you want.

 

[Redwood]

Why would any attractive single woman want to live in that area? It is basically Venezuela lol,

Alot of people overhype Houston is general.

 

[SW15]

Alot of people overhype Houston is general.

Why do you think that is?

I think Houston looks comparatively better because its women are not as difficult to interact with as compared to the more superficial and more pretentious women in Dallas. Dallas is considered the most comparable metro area to Houston as it is a similar size and nearby.

 

[HaleyBaron]

Why do you think that is?

I think Houston looks comparatively better because its women are not as difficult to interact with as compared to the more superficial and more pretentious women in Dallas. Dallas is considered the most comparable metro area to Houston as it is a similar size and nearby.

In comparison, Dallas women are hotter than Houston women unless someone can show me otherwise with some pictures.

 

[Solomon]

Never gamed In NYC but I use to talk to @Distantlight the guy was cleaning up there with models whilst living at home between 2009-2013 not sure what he's up to now. been to philly once met some cute girls at a gas station a buddy and I chatted up but went nowhere

Top 5 Places To Game In my Experience
1. Wisconsin -It's like shooting fish in a barrel Madison is a gamers paradise if you like blondes that are 7s, WIS is easy if you got solid game
2. Minneapolis-If you can't pull here, then you need to start back at the basics, had a 5'4 wingman pulling like a champ
3. Iowa-Hottest chicks are near colleges, easy to pull here but a lot of mid chicks
4. Chicago- OLD was getting matches 3 years later, tons of variety if you go to the right place, also has smokeshows
5. Michigan-I got a couple stories

If you noticed most are the Midwest, now here are the top 5 worst or hardest IMO
1. Miami-hottest chicks in the states bar none, but having a 6pack is mandatory if you want smoke shows and that's the minimum
2. LA-tough place cause of logistics and lot of GD'S, Pro TIP stay somewhere nice in LA, or West Hollywood
3. Sioux Falls South Dakota-Nothing but Mid or ugly chicks, bars were sausage fest, waste of time never again
4. Denver-Clubs/Bars are popping but it's either cuties or Grenades, you gotta be in a great logistical place to pull here
5. San Diego-It's a different vibe, I did pull but the girls there are different, if you're a girls type it's easy if not it's a grind

 

[HaleyBaron]

1. Miami-hottest chicks in the states bar none

Still false.

 

[Solomon]

Still false.

Which city has hotter girls than Miami?

New York? mmmh
LA? mmmmh
Houston? mmmmh