The answer to everything: nothing

[backseatjuan]

Tomo, you have got to make people around you feel good about being around you. By saying nothing, I think that is not achievable.

 

[corrector]

Please be a BIGGER white knight :crackup:

So you're out to rescue all the women from big bad PlayHer Man now?

I don't see how your game (as portrayed on this thread at least as I have not read your other threads/posts carefully) is better than an AFC with the looks. I've read the book, The Game, and see some successful players have MLTRs (multiple long term relationships, or other women knowing their guy is seeing other women and is okay with it), and see that real good PUA's are honest, can roate a different girlfriend every day of the week, if that's what they want, every woman they are involved with about it and they are cool with it. They even have threesomes. That, my friend, is a definition of a harem.

When you have to lie to dating prospects who are looking for a relationship and you are using them for sex then that puts you on the lowest level of a player bracket. What, someone likes you for your looks, all you do is lie to them so they won't get turned off with you, that's your game? Not like Strauss, or high level PUA's or players that are out there. Even people like Strauss have standards (i.e. they will not fvck a woman they just seduced that's a virgin, etc...).

 

[instantnoodles]

Who the hell said I was changing YOU ? I'm simply giving an opinion. Whenever I say something that pertains to morality, you get mad :crackup: :crackup:

PlayHer Man is a perfect example of the lowest level of a player. You're not even a player, just trash.

THIS IS A FORUM... DID YOU FORGET? If you don't like my opinion, big WHOOP. Don't take it as an impression that I'm trying to change you.

I don't give a damn what you think. That's your sh1t, not mine. I'm not even offended, I'm just laughing. No one is asking you to fcking change. if you don't want to, too bad.


I don't even care to change a man, if they're not good, SIMPLY NEXTED, TRASH-A$$ :crackup: :crackup:

That's how you know the REAL nature of a BLOKE. Let me give you an example I'm SURE You can relate For example, if you treated a woman badly, you've already shown her your true colours. Don't even think about trying to show her after. Because that is probably fake now, isn't it? Plus who could know? This also includes lying because you don't even have a backbone made of TRUTH.

Do answer :yes: Bring it on play-BOY

 

[PlayHer Man]

I don't see how your game (as portrayed on this thread at least as I have not read your other threads/posts carefully) is better than an AFC with the looks. I've read the book, The Game, and see some successful players have MLTRs (multiple long term relationships, or other women knowing their guy is seeing other women and is okay with it), and see that real good PUA's are honest, can roate a different girlfriend every day of the week, if that's what they want, every woman they are involved with about it and they are cool with it. They even have threesomes. That, my friend, is a definition of a harem.

When you have to lie to dating prospects who are looking for a relationship and you are using them for sex then that puts you on the lowest level of a player bracket. What, someone likes you for your looks, all you do is lie to them so they won't get turned off with you, that's your game? Not like Strauss, or high level PUA's or players that are out there. Even people like Strauss have standards (i.e. they will not fvck a woman they just seduced that's a virgin, etc...).

Wow.. the white knight beta fag language gets stronger with each post from you.

At the end of the day.. if a man is happy and getting the results he wants from women.. he is a winner in my book. How he does it? --> Who gives a f*ck.

My lies to women are more about not having to deal with drama and arguments than they are about "attracting" them. When it comes to attraction.. lies vs. honestly makes little difference.

Lies simply give me more access to hotter women with less energy / stress --> efficiency in other words.

Why should I f*ck LESS women and deal with MORE drama just for the sake of being a "honorable" white knight beta fag?

You don't have to like my approach nore do you have to follow it bro. End of discussion.




*P.S.* Everyone watch instandnoodles closely. Watch the shaming tactics. Watch the guilt trips. Watch the emotional overreactions. Watch the projecting. Watch the attention wh0ring and manipulation. GOLD.

 

[instantnoodles]

Wow.. the white knight beta fag language gets stronger with each post from you.

At the end of the day.. if a man is happy and getting the results he wants from women.. he is a winner in my book. How he does it? --> Who gives a f*ck.

My lies to women are more about not having to deal with drama and arguments than they are about "attracting" them. When it comes to attraction.. lies vs. honestly makes little difference.

Lies simply give me more access to hotter women with less energy / stress --> efficiency in other words.

Why should I f*ck LESS women and deal with MORE drama just for the sake of being a "honorable" white knight beta fag?

You don't have to like my approach nore do you have to follow it bro. End of discussion.

Seriously if you have to LIE to be attractive, just how attractive are you? How good is your GAME?

Are you compensating for something you lack? Is it looks or intelligence? People lie to compensate for insecurities too.

Not cool. Just saying, PLAYA.

*P.S** No one attention-wh0res more than Playher Man and calls everyone "fag" to place his answer above others just for his ego. Watch his stereotypes brushed on others just for the lack of reasoning and rational thought. Yes :yes:

 

[corrector]

Wow.. the white knight beta fag language gets stronger with each post from you.

You have to resort to name calling because you can not come with a coherent reply that makes any sence.

At the end of the day.. if a man is happy and getting the results he wants from women.. he is a winner in my book. How he does it? --> Who gives a f*ck.

Who said that I give a f*ck. You are making that all up. I'm talking about you.

My lies to women are more about not having to deal with drama and arguments than they are about "attracting" them. When it comes to attraction.. lies vs. honestly makes little difference.

This is exactly what I was talking about. You are an AFC that relies on his looks and just lies to women to avoid drama or arguement. You are proving my post that you are a low-level player. So you are born genetically with good looks and know how to wiesle your way. Now you are claiming to be a DJ and, wait, you can only lie if you have really good looks?

All you can claim here is your looks and common sense. That don't prove you are a true winner on here because if your looks go, so does everything else, including your lies and you have nothing.

 

[PlayHer Man]

Look at this.. the white knight beta fag and the female troll are on the same side. They agree --> AND use the same shaming tactics. What does that tell us?

For one... we learn that beta fags and women are basically on the same page --> Placing the female on a pedestal.

They are sooooo upset that I lie to women and actually get laid as a result. :crackup:

Why so upset? You have to wonder. Pay attention gentlemen.. there is much to learn here.

 

[corrector]

You are desperate to change this from a looks vs. game arguement.

Didn't you, yourself say that lies won't work if there is no attraction to begin with. You didn't really say how you build attraction in your game apart from your looks. Are you afraid to call me an "average looking dude" like everyone else on this board?

Or are you saying that all "average looking dudes", which comprise the overwhelming majority of this board are all white knight beta fags? You insult me then you insult everyone on this board who is struggling with women because they don't look like a hot guy (and hence wouldn't be here in the first place)

 

[Aristippus]

If a girl is willing to sleep with me based on a lie I told.. doesn't that sort of make her a prostitute?

Have you considered the possibility that women are sleeping with you IN SPITE OF your lies and not because of them? It's common for people to mistake correlation with causation. I guarantee you if you looked like Pee-Wee Herman and talked like a half-retarded buffoon that you could lie to them until you're blue in the face and they wouldn't sleep with you.

That being said, I personally choose to be honest and up front. I can choose not to volunteer information. As far as whether or not lying or honesty will get you the result you want, I think it really makes no difference one way or the other, WHEN IT COMES TO HAVING SEX WITH WOMEN.

So then it simply becomes a matter of asking yourself "What kind of man do I want to be? What kind of standards do I want to set for myself? Can I expect all of these wonderful qualities from the women I want to date/sleep with if I don't have these qualities myself?" I'm talking about character and the kind of person a woman is, not looks.

Anybody can get a woman who is physically attractive. Drug dealers and criminals and average guys and milquetoasts and strong men and wimpy men, men of high or of low character. Skinny geeks and musclemen. I personally wouldn't want the high-drama head cases that do drugs with and date drug dealers, no matter how physically attractive, as one example.

So if there's an attractive woman for every type, no matter how good or bad, then the question isn't "Can I get an attractive woman? How can I sleep with attractive women? What can I do to get them?". The question you need to ask yourself is "What kind of man do I want to be?" Remember, whatever level you're at, as a man, will be what you will tend to attract to you. If you display certain qualities you wouldn't want in a woman or do certain things that you wouldn't want the women in your life to do, don't expect to get the women in your life who have the good qualities you want.

They will have good looks but will be lacking in other important qualities. They will be high-drama nutjobs. Just realize that and don't expect anything more than that if you want to have a dog-eat-dog mentality in your dealings with people. I would be the last person in the world to tell you that all women are innocent and can do no wrong, blah blah blah. There are different levels when it comes to women. You do have to protect yourself from the barracudas. There are some good women and some not so good and the ones who aren't so good can put on an act in the beginning.

That being said, you must become that which you want to attract. I can't decide for you what you want to attract into your life. Only you can decide that for yourself. You have to choose for yourself the type of man you want to be and the type of women you want to bring into your life. We've already established that any type of man can find a woman at his level that is PHYSICALLY attractive. If you don't believe me start making observations and you'll see it all around you. Do this for a week and you'll see every personality type and every type of man looks-wise with an attractive woman, at some point during your observations.

This is not theory. This is reality that you can observe by just walking outside. I'll repeat one more time exactly what I said to someone else in another topic recently. NEVER sell your soul for sex. In the end, it's not worth it.

 

[PlayHer Man]

Have you considered the possibility that women are sleeping with you IN SPITE OF your lies and not because of them? It's common for people to mistake correlation with causation. I guarantee you if you looked like Pee-Wee Herman and talked like a half-retarded buffoon that you could lie to them until you're blue in the face and they wouldn't sleep with you.

That being said, I personally choose to be honest and up front. I can choose not to volunteer information. As far as whether or not lying or honesty will get you the result you want, I think it really makes no difference one way or the other, WHEN IT COMES TO HAVING SEX WITH WOMEN.

So then it simply becomes a matter of asking yourself "What kind of man do I want to be? What kind of standards do I want to set for myself? Can I expect all of these wonderful qualities from the women I want to date/sleep with if I don't have these qualities myself?" I'm talking about character and the kind of person a woman is, not looks.

Anybody can get a woman who is physically attractive. Drug dealers and criminals and average guys and milquetoasts and strong men and wimpy men, men of high or of low character. Skinny geeks and musclemen. I personally wouldn't want the high-drama head cases that do drugs with and date drug dealers, no matter how physically attractive, as one example.

So if there's an attractive woman for every type, no matter how good or bad, then the question isn't "Can I get an attractive woman? How can I sleep with attractive women? What can I do to get them?". The question you need to ask yourself is "What kind of man do I want to be?" Remember, whatever level you're at, as a man, will be what you will tend to attract to you. If you display certain qualities you wouldn't want in a woman or do certain things that you wouldn't want the women in your life to do, don't expect to get the women in your life who have the good qualities you want.

They will have good looks but will be lacking in other important qualities. They will be high-drama nutjobs. Just realize that and don't expect anything more than that if you want to have a dog-eat-dog mentality in your dealings with people. I would be the last person in the world to tell you that all women are innocent and can do no wrong, blah blah blah. There are different levels when it comes to women. You do have to protect yourself from the barracudas. There are some good women and some not so good and the ones who aren't so good can put on an act in the beginning.

That being said, you must become that which you want to attract. I can't decide for you what you want to attract into your life. Only you can decide that for yourself. You have to choose for yourself the type of man you want to be and the type of women you want to bring into your life. We've already established that any type of man can find a woman at his level that is PHYSICALLY attractive. If you don't believe me start making observations and you'll see it all around you. Do this for a week and you'll see every personality type and every type of man looks-wise with an attractive woman, at some point during your observations.

This is not theory. This is reality that you can observe by just walking outside. I'll repeat one more time exactly what I said to someone else in another topic recently. NEVER sell your soul for sex. In the end, it's not worth it.

I see that you mean well with your post and I understand what you're saying. However... you're wrong on two very important points:

1. The idea that men and women are equal and held to equal standards --> They are not. This is feminist brainwashing.

2. The idea that being a weak, soft, caring beta fag will attract the same traits in a female (Your Quote--> "That being said, you must become that which you want to attract") FALSE. Being a strong aggressive man attracts the opposite type of woman.

Again.. ALL MEN SHOULD LIVE AS THEY PLEASE. If a man is happy and getting the results he wants.. who is anyone to judge?

 

[Aristippus]

I'll have to clarify because you're missing the point and adding things that I never said in my first reply. I never said that men and women are equal......comb through my entire reply and you will never see the word "equal" even once. Men and woman have differences and we should embrace those differences. The French have a saying, "Vive la difference!" (Long live the difference! <between the sexes>).

I think the differences between the sexes should be celebrated instead of trying to say there's no difference. As far as standards, I think the norm these days is for women to be held to LOWER standards than they should be held to. What I'm talking about is raising those standards and the best way to do that is for one man at a time to raise his standards.

And my comment on point #2...... I never said " being a weak, soft, caring beta fag will attract the same traits in a female". I said you must become that which you want to attract. I leave it up to the reader to use some discernment when reading things. I think you like to debate but just to clear up any misunderstandings. Of course, I don't mean that you will become a woman so you can attract a woman! Hahahahahaha!

I think you understand exactly what I said and the spirit that I said it in and you're just looking to get a rise out of me or to have a debate. That OK. I'll explain anyway. I mean that in order to attract women with positive traits, you have to have positive traits yourself. Some of those positive traits will overlap. Respect, honesty, integrity, fun, excitement, maybe simply being comfortable around this person etc. Then you have attractive traits that are masculine and those that are feminine.

These are more along the lines of dominant vs submissive. Masculine mannerisms and feminine mannerisms. Strong as opposed to soft. No, you're not going to mimic feminine qualities unless you're gay. To put it another way, you become your best self and you will attract women who are their best selves. If you have tendencies that kill a woman's sexual interest, all of the integrity in the world or a complete lack of integrity by itself doesn't matter one bit.

That's why I said that lying doesn't make a difference when it comes to whether or not women will sleep with you. The other part of that is that honesty and integrity by itself, without masculine qualities, won't make a difference either, as far as sex goes. So we come back full circle to what I was saying before. Since these things by themselves are not the key to having sex with women regularly, then we choose what kind of man we want to be FIRST. Otherwise, we are nothing more than walking dildos whose existence revolves around molding ourselves to pleasure the women. At the expense of being true to ourselves.

Then we're nothing more than chameleons constantly changing ourselves to please women. I'll quote what you said earlier: "If a girl is willing to sleep with me based on a lie I told.. doesn't that sort of make her a prostitute?". And if you feel you have to lie in order to get a woman to sleep with you, then what does that make you?

Now, when you've answered that question to yourself, NOT to me or to anyone else, but honestly to yourself, notice what your answer is and whether or not YOU like the answer.

 

[goodganji44]

To quote Herman Edwards

"You play to WIN the game"

Ask Bill Belichick and I'm sure he has no shame in doing what he had to do to lead the Patriots with 3 Super Bowl Rings.


While it's underhanded to lie to women morally. I for one have no shame in admitting that I've lied to some pzzy more than a few times and have no guilt in doing so. As long as you don't get caught in your lie and it's not something catastrophic, I don't see the problem. The only problem I'm seeing is people arguing with PHM because the approach is unconventional and goes against all things that are morally correct.

The point is that you do what you have to do to WIN. If she's happy and you're happy, everybody wins.

 

[Stagger Lee]

This idea of saying less is interesting. I can't say I agree with it completely though.

I'm not a huge talker and a little introverted especially around people I just met and don't have a lot of shared experiences with.

All my life I noticed that women are talkers and require the male to usually first approach, BUT require him to create a mostly one-sided conversation while she sizes him up. And I've long noticed the guys who were extraverted did better with women.

How can you reconcile the male "say nothing" approach, when that is the game women often play? It's like telling guys to spin plates when that is a woman's game.

I think that's where looks/appearance body language and non-verbals come into play. You create attraction with your appearance more than with the actual words you say. Also it's very easy to say the "wrong" thing than is to say something that furthers your position with a woman.

My experience is that if a female is attracted to my appearance I can say just about anything within reason and she responds positively and talks a lot more.

So really the say nothing approach is really maybe a red herring. If you have an attractive appearance and a girl that is attracted to your appearance you can get away with saying little or nothing and playing it safe to not say something that's taken the wrong way.

 

[floydb25]

There sure are a lot of fights on here lately.

Art: Definitely agree that like attracts like, and that you attract what you are (or project). 100%. Even in regards to friendships. This is why you MUST become a good judge character, have standards, make wise decisions, and lead your own life. Do NOT be a desperate follower who depends on and befriends everybody, or seeks LTR's with girls because they're "hot", and thinks they can mold them into their desirability. There's a LOT of people you won't be compatible with - and don't need to be, either.

This is also why a lot of people reap what they sow. Being a retarded douche bag only attracts to you other retarded douche bags. Sluts, b1tches, players, fake people, losers, *******s... they're attracted to you for a reason. Be careful with the vibes you give off, and who you are associating with.