The Amoral Wasteland?

[WestCoaster]

Great stuff Rollo

Interesting story, being a guy in my early 40's I can tell you this about the 25-year old ho/cheaters .... 99 percent of them turn into ultra-pathetic/used up ugly, out of shape, cheating, alcoholic beyotchs by the time they're about 38. This will happen to the gal bedding the rock star who will never make it big. Let's get a look at her when she's 38 -- my guess, fat, ugly, couple kids, divorced twice -- in turn, the rock star is fat, ugly, bitter, and keeps complaining how he got screwed by the record industry.

I mean, c'mon, have you EVER seen any of these women with loose morals look great when they hit 40? They reap what they sow ... it's a rather sweet revenge, IMO.

All the loosey-gooseys I knew in high school and college now look like absolute sh-t and are working on marriage No. 2 or No. 3.

Don't just look at the present, keep an eye on the future, too.

 

[STR8UP]

Originally posted by Rollo Tomassi
He becomes pathetic and she becomes amoral, both are confused and frustrated for different reasons and both are equally to blame for their conditions.

I see where you are going with this, and I will be the first to shout that people need to own up and take responsibility, but to say that a cheating woman and her too-eager-to-please man are both equally at fault is just plain wrong.

You are basically saying that a man who doesn't perform a good enough dog and pony show (according to each individual woman's specs, of course) DESERVES to be cheated on. That's wrong. There is no excuse for abusing someone's trust in that way, and it's one of the WORST ways trust can be violated. I'll be damned if after I get cheated on I'm going to say to myself, "Well, I guess it was my fault too. I should have been a better man". Hogwash! Someone who betrays your trust in that way is the one in the wrong 100% of the time. The guy could be an abusive alcoholic jerk-off and I would still think a woman is a weak, pathetic person for cheating on him.

 

[al77]

Re: Great stuff Rollo

Originally posted by WestCoaster
Interesting story, being a guy in my early 40's I can tell you this about the 25-year old ho/cheaters .... 99 percent of them turn into ultra-pathetic/used up ugly, out of shape, cheating, alcoholic beyotchs by the time they're about 38. This will happen to the gal bedding the rock star who will never make it big. Let's get a look at her when she's 38 -- my guess, fat, ugly, couple kids, divorced twice

True, but lets look on the other side of teh problem.
Mostly this is not her fault she became ugly. At 38 yes not many women can keep up, unfortunatly.
This is nature and they cannot do much about it. Anyway we don't expect her to become a rocket scientist or a rock star when she turns 38. We expect ony one thing: her looks to be to hot.

And a marriage and kids is not a problem if she is hot, right?

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Originally posted by STR8UP
You are basically saying that a man who doesn't perform a good enough dog and pony show (according to each individual woman's specs, of course) DESERVES to be cheated on

Not at all. You're missing my meaning here; it's not that he can or should do anything at all, rather his fault lies in his own inability to see the writing on the wall. You're absolutely correct in that he doesn't deserve to be treated this way (and this is where I fault her inability to be honest and forthcoming), but he is a victim of his own self-pity because he lacks the balls to do what he should and call a spade a spade to her face. Rather, because he's so fully internalized his ONEitis, he waits on her to be the one to confirm what he already knows is true, he waits for her to be the initiator of the breakup and in light of all this he still seeks her approval in a hope-beyond-hope effort to somehow find the magic combination of words and actions to make her change her already made up mind. It's not that he hasn't lived up to her expectations, instead he's paralyzed by his belief in her (or any girl really) as a soulmate and will even tolerate infidelity if it means he can cling to it longer. She walks away on her feet, he walks away on his knees.

This in no way excuses her amoral behavior, which again, was brought about by her own conditions and the actions she took in accordance with them. My point is not that he should've lived up any expectations, but rather he should've hit back sooner (or in his case, at all).

 

[Deep Dish]

STR8UP:
I honestly believe that it was because she had rationalized that she was simply "hanging out with a male friend" although she admitted he kissed her a couple of times and I caught her coming back from his house at 4am. I think she REALLY had herself convinced that she didn't do anything wrong...it was amazing!

See, guys, this is one thing which I find disconcerting about women. They use the rule of intentions to account for their behaviors. Women go home with guys they met in a bar but it “doesn’t count” because they didn’t intend to find a sex partner that evening. It “doesn’t count” because they didn’t intend to sleep around on Spring Break or their European vacation. It even boils down to scores of women swearing on their life they don’t do the bar scene; no, they are just “hanging out”; despite the behavior and locale constituting the same damn thing. For women, intention is everything in defining existence.

A few months back there was an intriguing story in Newsweek magazine—cover story—about women’s infidelity. Apparently women conjure the excuse they are “exploring their sexuality” by exploring some other guy’s crown jewels. I am reminded of a compelling case that Pook made about the media, of literature and films in particular; that of if a man cheats it’s considered a horrible thing, betrayal of his wife and children, but when a woman cheats it’s liberation. In the film Titanic, a married woman cheats on her husband with a lowly guy and it’s the biggest movie ever. But, that is kinda getting off of the point, other than that women seem to believe their own bullshyt and don’t feel any guilt. As I said a few years ago, women are vortexes.

Excerpt from the thread The Truth About Women:

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been laying next to some chick, all sweaty cause I just finished busting a nut all over her face or in her mouth or on her back, and suddenly her phone rings and she’s on the phone with her man, giving him some bull**** story. This is with NO GUILT WHATSOEVER!!! The sweetest most innocent girls you ever laid eyes on, will cheat at the drop of a HAT. The one thing that most men value most - loyalty - is just not there with women. Women don’t think in terms of honor, women don’t say “word is bond;” women are basically emotionally driven. If they feel it, they do it, period. Then they rationalize it to themselves later. Nothing is more meaningful, or compelling, to a woman than (1) the way she feels and (2) learning more about her own inner self and having emotional realizations. That’s why women love astrology, chick flicks, soap operas, stupid Cosmo quizes that supposedly reveal info about yourself, etc.

...

Señor Fingers:
Pay attention to how a woman has handled past relationships because it is a pretty good indication of what may be in store for you.

Oh quite yes. People often tell you what they are going to do to you before they actually do it. I recently met a woman who told me her ex-boyfriend hates her for having developed feelings for his best friend. At least she was honest about it, but nonetheless that would have been my fate.

 

[STR8UP]

Originally posted by Rollo Tomassi
My point is not that he should've lived up any expectations, but rather he should've hit back sooner (or in his case, at all).

Ah, I misunderstood you, sorry.

Guilty as charged.....even when I dumped my last g/f I made the mistake of not cutting it as soon as I should have and keeping ties with her after. I could have avoided a good amount of grief had I walked away the night I caught her sneaking around at 4am.

That night I drove by her house and realized she wasn't home when she should have been, I loaded up all of her crap, sex toys and all, into one big box and dropped it on her front porch. (Fortunately for everyone involved her parents were out of town at the time!) and was proceeding to drive away and not look back.

Unfortunately I was SOOO freakin' pissed that I wanted to confront her, so I called her cell several times. SHe didn't answer, but a few minutes later she comes racing into her driveway with her headlights off. I got my confrontation allright, along with a lot of denial and fake tears. I should have just walked without saying a word and avoided her until she got it through her head that I was done with her. Chalk it up to yet another learning experience, I suppose.

 

[hithard]

Everything in this thread rings true. I’ve been going out a lot, and the amount of women I have chatted up that have boyfriends is amazing. The usual lines include:
"I sort of have a boyfriend but that doesn’t matter right now"
"I'm seeing someone but it’s not serious"
"My marriage is at its end stages"
The list goes on what’s worse is I get a big list of how horrible their boyfriends are. Every now and then I get to meet them and they are actually good guys, but their girlfriends interest in them has just tanked. The other day I met two girls who within five minutes were showing me pictures on their phone of them in various positions with three other guys. Turned out they love 3somes and moresums.One had just left her husband and three children. I asked the non married friend "So you’re the bad girl that broke up the marriage" and she simply said "damn right".Turns out she left hard working hubbie and children for this lifestyle.And I have to wonder if he will take her back later down the track.

I'm meeting these girls every time I go out, not just once every now and then. The better I get at this, the less I want to ever be in a relationship again knowing what I know. You can read about it and it’s like yeah ok I'll make a note of it. But being there in person and listening to some of the crap makes you really think about how far some of these women will go. Some of the boyfriends I have met are the rich, good looking, good personality types and the girlfriend just seems to want someone else’s meat.
Been meaning to update for ages ,the jist of it is had so much sex I now have a burning sensation when I pee.I'll get something up soon been really lazy post wise

 

[STR8UP]

Originally posted by hithard
Everything in this thread rings true. I’ve been going out a lot, and the amount of women I have chatted up that have boyfriends is amazing. The usual lines include:
"I sort of have a boyfriend but that doesn’t matter right now"
"I'm seeing someone but it’s not serious"
"My marriage is at its end stages"

My personal favorite is when they simply avoid mentioning having a significant other.

I mean, it doesn't have to be the first thing that comes out of your mouth when you meet someone, but I have noticed that women in general avoid bringing up the subject if they don't have to. The exception, of course, is a new committed relationship, or one where the woman actually is the one suffering from the one-itis.

For example, there is a gorgeous latina woman who works at the bank where I have my business accounts. She is THE sweetest, most down to earth girl you will ever meet. I would snag her up in a heartbeat. Truly a rare, rare, find.

Anyways, my business partner sees her more than I do. He goes to her for deposit verification letters and such, so he has a chance to sit and talk to her one on one. She is always very friendly and talks about her son quite a bit. She woud always mention that she did this or that with him the other day, and talk about various other things in her life.

Sounds normal, you say? Well, it is, aside from the fact that even after a year or more of both my partner and I talking to this beautiful specimen of femininity, she never ONCE mentioned being married, having a husband, anything of the sort. For some reason it finally came out after a LONG time, and now she mentions him regularly.

I have noticed this with women with boyfriends as well. You could talk to them a dozen times about a variety of things and the fact that they have a boyfriend never even comes up.

 

[Bible_Belt]

relationships have become increasingly economized to the max

I agree. Divorce makes millions of dollars for lawyers, and then those two people start dating again, going out more, and consuming more. Notice how more and more things in our society have become disposable. Consumer electronic items last 3-4 years; many people drive econo-box cars that are worthless after the 100,000 mile warranty. With fewer people getting married and divorce rates climbing, we have disposable relationships as well. The Internet has only helped. The world's fugliest woman can get on the Net and find a man to tell her she is beautiful. And then when the newness wears off, a new love is only a few clicks away.

 

[STR8UP]

Originally posted by SonOfTheMostHigh
Personally I think thats a bunch of crap. It has nothing to do about "learning gender dynamics", peoples values have changed PERIOD, it's self-centered ME ME ME, culture out there.

Yes, it IS me, me, me, but you think that is a NEW thing?

The problem today is that too many women want to be superhuman and try to take on a more masculine role (provider, wearing the pants) AND a feminine role (collecting the perks of being female) without realizing that this all comes at a price. They basically want to have their cake and eat it too. Maybe this works for a few of them, but overall it comes with a price. That price includes a strain on relationships, amoung other things.

My last g/f was young (21 when we met) so of course she was still believed in this romanticised world she read about in story books when she was a kid. She was too naive to realize that she was searching for something that doesn't exist, and I don't fault her for that; I knew I what could expect from a girl her age, but then on top of that she felt like she was going to be this super career woman. I tried to explain to her (yea, like you can reason with a woman on something like this) that SOMETHING would have to give. She would say, "Oh I want a couple of kids, and I won't be sending them to daycare, I want to be there for them". Then in her next breath she would say how she wants to move up the ladder in her corporation and do this and that.....sutf that would be in direct conflict with what she had told me a minute earlier.

She just couldn't understand that things don't work that way, and I firmly believe that this is a big part of the problem that faces relationships today. If a woman is pushing and a man is pulling, how can there be a balance? There can't. Things are going to sway one way or the other and something will eventually give.

If you look at research, MONEY is the #1 issue in most modern relationships.

I don't agree with your theory on modern economics being the root of all evil in a relationship. Before there were stock markets and corporations and whatnot, women might not have been chasing the guys with the Rolex and the Mercedes, but you can rest assured they were doing the equivalent by chasing the men who owned the land and held the power.

I do however agree that money is a big issue in most relationship (or more accurately, lack thereof). The divorce rate for wealthy people is lower than the general population, and that should tell you something. Good thing I've been working on building my empire for a few years now

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

SOTMH: I can certainly relate to your point and I've posted many times here on the commercialization of the 'romance' industry. Divorce law is only one aspect of this. From a very early age we're conditioned to see marriage as a goal state and that once we've reached this state of idealization that we will be fulfilled. Both sexes are sold product after product based on this ideology of westernized romanticism - movies, music, literature, magazines, dating services, alcohol, shaving cream, makeup, lingerie and on and on. All of these playing on a common insecurity that was manufactured for us since before we reached puberty. Most people in western culture spend a quarter to a third of their lives in pursuit of a soul-mate idealization fantasy trying to marry the best and the brightest, the most stable and exciting, the sexiest, kinky girl who'll make a great mother, who is independent yet nurturing, a guy who is handsome, successful and ambitious yet has the time for romance, his family and listens attentively to everything a woman says. This is fantasy. For every advantage there is a deficit, finding a man or woman that exemplifies all of these characteristics is impossible because one advantage directly conflicts with another.

So once we meet a sufficient compromise in a prospective mate, then another sector of the industry kicks in - the marriage industry that feeds a woman's fantasy idealization. The average U.S. price for a marriage cerimony and reception in 2004 was $20K - this isn't including a ring or the honeymoon vacation. There is another entire sector of the romance industry that sells this fantasy to women and plays on their insecurities - If this is HER one special day and this guy is her soulmate, she'd better make damn sure it's memorable and lives up to not only what she expects, but what she's internalized she's entitled to for the last 20+ years of her life. Needless to say that childrearing, marital counseling, self-help books and divorce lawyers are industries unto themselves that further complete what amounts to a lifetime of marketeering based on manufactured insecurities.

That said, my point was, that although I may sometimes come off as contradictory in my approach due to my having a reasonably successful marriage, my warnings of marriages based on exactly what I've described above are what make me come off as conflicted. I'm not against marriage (obviously). What I'm against is people getting married based on false assumptions, illusions of satisfaction and outright desperation to satisfy an insecurity that has been engineered and exploited for the better part of a person's lifetime.

 

[Evan_M]

Originally posted by Egoist
this is one of the dumbest things ever posted on here...

How so? You need to provide something to back up your statement otherwise it's worthless.

I believe that it's true that we are too self-centered as far as relationships go. In the end relationships require compromise. It's difficult to compromise if you're overly self-centered.

 

[A-Unit]

Re:

Going on a Limb here.

First, the MENTALITY of the MIND always want to know WHY?

Why are we here?
What is or isn't God?
Why do women do this?

It's miriad of questions is tiring, debilitating, and non-productive. I realized as much from posts here as I did with the innumerable books that line the shelves of Barnes Noble, Libraries, and Borders, that you could search forever and never come to 1 conclusive answer except: live for your own evolution. Evolve.

That said, MOST people are ASLEEP, mentally.

Very asleep. We can purport many many reasons, but it's not an absolute. Some women cheat because of their past and parents, because they want to, for emotional reasons, because they're not happy...any case you can derive. But there won't be some worldwide panacea that cures it, or provides the mind with an elixir that cures us of the questions of wondering how or why.

Religious men will cite religious reasons.
Men who believe in evolution and genetics will believe it's inbred.
Psychologists will blame the family.
The women themselves would cite many reasons, most not true.

PEOPLE ARE ASLEEP. So few people BREAK out of monotony to question the reality they exist in straight to the bottom of the barrel, that they dope themselves with FOOD, TV, SEX, DRUGS, ALCHY, the MEDIA, everything is a distraction of some sort away from central questions too hard or fearful to answer or confront.

Why do women cheat? who knows. Each woman would be personal to themselves. Ultimately it might hit: being unhappy.

But don't being so concerned with THAT Amoral Wasteland. Be Concerned with developing your reality out of the slice of existent that you can. Within that land, you spread it out and achieve your dreams. People get so FAR off course because they try to figure the world out and FIX it, that they never themselves realize...

"If I seek my happiness, personally, and there are some like me who want the same thing, I can show them how to do it, too. Kind of like offering them the pill of the Matrix to escape. But they go to the WORLD, which is a BUNCH of BILLIONS of people who don't know a damn thing."

They don't. They're crazy. All of them. To me it's all diffusion to avoid the fact we're somewhat evolved crazy apes, and yet, we purport because we are human and given to higher order, we're MEANT TO BE NEAR perfection.

Isn't that why people get upset?
We have a VISION of how someone should be, and because we PLACED our expectations AROUND Them like some IMAGE BUBBLE, and they BURST it, WE ARE HURT. WE ARE HURT!

"I expect you to DO THIS because you ARE THIS to me, and you DIDN'T, so FVCK you, you HURT me."

We do this with friends, family, and lovers, girl friends and boy friends. All people have some IMAGE BUBBLE our mind constructs that wraps people in our lives with expectations and our pain or pleasure comes from that piece. I'm never surprised when someone does something because humans by and large are THAT way, unexpected apes. Yeah, we have the CAPACITY for higher social and mental order, but do we use it?

Not really.
Few people are wealthy.
Few achieve what they want.
Marriages fail.
Most people FEAR public speaking.

Alot of that is social order at it's worst. Or higher mental order NOT working. Just because you can WORK, pay bills (but not save), and drive a car doesn't mean you're AWAKE. I'm not saying people aren't CAPABLE, they're just not using it. That's all. And some, don't want to be. To them, ADULTHOOD isn't real, it's only AGE has come and they're OLD children. Not real adults, otherwise they'd have GROWN and EVOLVED from their old ways. But 10, 20, 30 years of hoping d!cks or sticking cvnts, and nobody is enlightened or awakened.

They just keep the same insanity up expecting the WORLD to change, NOT them. But never realize the WORLD is just the individual systems of the mind, IN TOTAL. And if 1 person can impact others, WE CHANGE THE SYSTEM internallly.

I've gone WAY off track, but I find that it's like a SLIGHT of HAND. All these issues DIVERT us from the REAL goings ON. Much like politics (no specific party here), where they get us in to Gay debates and Marriage Debates, and stupid trials, but the Tax situation is out of Hand, Terrorists run rampant, and Social Security is FUBAR. Come on.

Nobody wants to be AWAKE, to face their fears, to grow. Maybe some are BORN so far gone we can't help them, but then I beg the questions, should we divert resources from those who live in reality to those who never will or could? Should we be worrying about the TRULY insane, the TRUE criminals?? It's all PERSONAL decisions based on your background. There's no UNIVERSAL RIGHT OR WRONG, expect that of your INDIVIDUAL position, and it's your background that defines the UNAWAKENED, not the mind or choices of the user.




A-Unit

 

[Bible_Belt]

This is from the datebeautifulwomen.comnewsletter. I think it is relevant to this discussion.
*************
After a few years of working as a dating coach, I can
tell you the ONE thing that still SHOCKS me about my profession.
It's actually NOT how clueless some guys are in the dating game,
but rather, how UNPROTECTED and NAIVE some men are when it
comes to choosing women.

Every day, I get emails from guys that do not know what
to do because their depressed wives or girlfriends have been
TOTALLY screwing them over with their troubled lives. Wanna
know how exciting these emails are? Let me give you a few
insights...

The lives of these troubled women are often filled
with:

1) Violence: Most of these troubled women were beaten
or torn up emotionally as children.

2) Sex: Some of them were also sexually abused or
raped as teenagers.

3) Drugs: There are more female hardcore drug users
in America than you'd think.

4) Booze: Think drunken women are fun at parties?
Try living with a wife that drinks a bottle of scotch
EVERY DAY.

5) Treachery: Theft, elaborate scams...I've seen them
all...


Now...the stories of crazy relationships usually
happen like this...

1) Good boy meets baggage girl
2) Good boy falls for baggage girl
3) Good boy ignores all the warning side of baggage
girl's baggage because he's "so in love".
4) Good boy becomes engaged or married to baggage
girl.
5) All of baggage girl's emotional baggage begins
to spill out of her bag.
6) Good boy tries to "save" baggage girl...but ends
up getting screwed over as a result.
7) Good boy is now "baggage boy" thanks to baggage
girl.

So...what should you protect yourself if you end up
dating a girl with serious emotional issues?

You should be CAREFUL and be prepared to run the
other way as soon as her problems become too big for you to
handle.

NEVER, NEVER, NEVER try to play "therapist". You CANNOT
"save" a baggage girl. A lot of guys make the mistake of trying
to "save" a girl from drugs, etc, and just end up getting screwed
over in the process. As a boyfriend or lover, you should focus
on becoming her LOVER, NOT therapist or "best friend".

Here's the bottom line: Relationships are ALREADY hard
enough to sustain with a "healthy" woman, so dating a woman
with a lot of emotional baggage is like ASKING FOR TROUBLE.
If you date or marry a woman who has been through too many
destructive or abusive relationships, it is NOT going to end
pretty. You're going to be in for a VERY tough ride.

You should ALWAYS try to protect yourself against
baggage girls. Don't let some crazy jerk or an abusive mom
turn a woman into a self-destructive bomb and then hand it
over to you.

Because sooner or later, you ARE going to get hurt!
http://www.datebeautifulwomen.com/ebook.html

Thanks,
Marius

 

[hithard]

Originally posted by frivolousz21

so has this riveting discussion on how you guys think women are terrible..helping you?
getting or having or being with women is still the main thing in your life.
I can think of 6 or 7 women in my family who are loyal, honest, non cheating women.
only 1 of my aunts is a bytch.
im guessing all of your sisters, moms, cousins, use and cheat on guys?
or it is someone elses, mom, sister or cousin??

So because you couldnt sleep with those 6 or 7 family members means no one else can .I dont hate women hell I love them.But the amount that cheat while in a relationship is alot more then you would think.Im not saying all will, but give me the right moment , the right mood and I can bet most will.No offense Friv but just because you say they will not does not mean jack.Its not like they are going to advertise the fact.
Now to actually prove it by backing it up would be great.To have a setup where someone like mystery hits on some of these loyal girlfriends would be an interesting experiment. You up for it Friv

If all you get out of these posts is women are terrible, then your the one that needs to rethink your position.Advice from someone that is still yet to have done anything is a little annoying.

 

[STR8UP]

Originally posted by frivolousz21
I can think of 6 or 7 women in my family who are loyal, honest, non cheating women.
only 1 of my aunts is a bytch.

Dude, you are clueless, and if you don't know why I feel VERY, VERY sorry for you.

 

[STR8UP]

Re: Re:

Originally posted by A-Unit
PEOPLE ARE ASLEEP. So few people BREAK out of monotony to question the reality they exist in straight to the bottom of the barrel, that they dope themselves with FOOD, TV, SEX, DRUGS, ALCHY, the MEDIA, everything is a distraction of some sort away from central questions too hard or fearful to answer or confront.

Very astute observation!

Most people live their lives in a sort of semi-conscious state of compliance with social norms and myths, kind of like worker bees in a hive. Very few take the time to question the reality in which they live and are content to, like you say, numb their brains with anything that feels good for a moment in order to avoid facing the fact that they are indeed walking around without a clue. It just a lot easier to self-medicate than it is to improve yourself.

 

[Cesare Cardinali]

hey guys,

Please stop quoting and replying to posts by frivolous. He is under 25 and I have PMed him asking him to not post on this forum and to stick to the other boards. In the meantime, we'll delete all underage posts once we are notified of them.

Thanks.

Cesare Cardinali

 

[Alicorn]

Originally posted by Cesare Cardinali
hey guys,

Please stop quoting and replying to posts by frivolous. He is under 25 and I have PMed him asking him to not post on this forum and to stick to the other boards. In the meantime, we'll delete all underage posts once we are notified of them.

Thanks.

Cesare Cardinali

Edit: oops, sorry.

 

[Deep Dish]

Frivolous brought up a good point, although unbeknownst to him one opposite of what he was intending.

One attribute of myself, and others who have the same, that I find virtuous is to hold nothing sacred. I have two sisters who are married and although I love them and consider them good people, I cannot say with certainty they would never or even have never cheated. When a woman’s emotions start going one way; whether it be anger, sadness, lust; there is no stopping it. Try using logic and reasoning with an angry woman, and try finding an ounce of higher thought when a woman is all revved up and horny. Women are entirely sexual and practically every nerve of their bodies are geared towards sexual stimulation. There is even a wide body of evidence that their bodies are many times more sensitive to sensations; in terms of touch, taste, hearing, and smell; than ours; and that they tend to be right-brained, which is emotional. Consider how great sex feels to us and how hard it is for us to turn down a good romp, now consider the sensations amplified in multiples. So, really, as highly as I think about my sisters, who are both married, I cannot completely voucher for them. Given the right emotional state and the right set of circumstances, I cannot voucher they would not cheat on their husbands.

It’s significantly difficult for us to be objective about our family members since we have vested interests in family bonds and because we spend so much time with them, that it’s difficult to extrapolate their behavior to contemplate their capacity for “uncharacteristic” behavior. One thing which friends and family members often say of murderers and serial killers is how they are the greatest and nicest of people, and how it’s so incomprehensible that they could do such a thing as murder. Point is, when you spend so much time around someone while they do good things, and even the most rotten people have their good moments, your objectivity about their full capacity of behaviors becomes blurred. One thing I love to do in my spare time is profile people but I have a rule against profiling friends exactly because it’s so hard to be objective.

Often, in discussions like this, some guy will bring up the rhetorical question “Would you talk about your sisters like that?” My answer, yes.