The 30 year old virgin

[30Yov]

Hi Guys,

The title says it all, doesn't it ...

It just feeled like yesterday that I was still in High school and one day I woke up realizing that I'm 30 years old, have no girlfriend, never got beyond 2nd base thus being a virgin.

How did it happen, well I wasn't popular in school/high school. I didn't got punched/called names like some other guys, I was just plained ignored. 10 years later I have a nice job with lots of responsabilities, I have some good friends, but just as me they suck with girls.

Although this is my first post, I know the community already several years, reading countless posts ( Dj Bible, How to get l**d guide, The Game, posts and reactions on this forum, Keys to the Vip, books on body language, ... ). I even started the bootcamp on my own but failed at week 3.

I have several problems:
- I can't start a conversation with a girl. It's like an invisible hand is holding me back ( I call it my demon ). Mostly my demon is way to strong and I can't say anything. Sometimes I can force myself to go talking to girls, but they notice that it's not natural. ex: Yesterday night I went up to 6 girls but with no result what so ever.
- I have no backup from friends since they are probably even worse than me ...
- When I got a get togheter with a girl, I can't evolve with her to the next level because my demon is once again holding me back.
- I have no real female friend.
- I look a lot younger than I am. People often guess my age at 21 - 24, so the few girls that come talk to me are like 18 and that's to young, older girls don't have interest.
- Girls often think I'm Gay, with is not the case.

I just can't talk to woman. At work I give meetings and presentations for a room of 10 - 50 persons whom I don't know and that doesn't give me any difficulties.

What could you advice me, is the virgin thing / lack of expearience a problem and do I try to see a hooker to get it over with, ...

One more thing, Alcohol got things even worse, I found out that the times I'm the most confident are the times that I'm all by myself at a bar where I never have been before, drinking non alcolholic drinks.

I hope someone can help me or show me another boot camp or wants to start the bootcamp with me to have some moral support?

sincerely

 

[flashpoint]

welcome to the better part of your dating life.

I have some good friends, but just as me they suck with girls. - I have no backup from friends since they are probably even worse than me ...

find guys that you can befriend and who dont suck at this.

- I can't start a conversation with a girl. It's like an invisible hand is holding me back ( I call it my demon ). - When I got a get togheter with a girl, I can't evolve with her to the next level because my demon is once again holding me back. is the virgin thing / lack of expearience a problem and do I try to see a hooker to get it over with, ...

you lacking sexual experience is your demon. and that is all there is. i know from experience that a hooker doesnt change a thing. but if you want to try there isnt much harm in it either. most importantly you need to know that there is no magic about this, you dont have to be an expert to poke that hole. seriously. if you want to do it right ... well forget about that. focus on your own pleasure and she will like it. the master class of sex starts when you are already comfortable having some.

no harm in checking out something like daviddeangelos "bridges" and "sex secrets" (ftp://luckydreamspace.nostrajewellery.org/ebox/David DeAngelo - Sex Secrets.pdf) or similar material though. just dont get too attached to techniques instead of enjoying what you do.

- I have no real female friend.

get one. or two. but only if you feel you need one.

- I look a lot younger than I am. People often guess my age at 21 - 24, so the few girls that come talk to me are like 18 and that's to young, older girls don't have interest.

so you actually saying that you could pull chicks with as much experience as yourself and you dont hit that? how much of an opportunity do you need? lets be realistic, right now all you need is a girl to fock and no honeymoon relationship where you connect on a deeper level. or anything "serious". if that happens - great. but dont hold back for the wrong reasons.

- Girls often think I'm Gay, with is not the case.

you are prolly good looking and dress well, which is certainly not a disadvantage. it is better they think you are gay than they think you are "nice". because that prolly means they give you signs and you dont act and they start to think that something is wrong with you since appearantly there is no reason for you to be shy.

I'm the most confident are the times that I'm all by myself at a bar where I never have been before, drinking non alcolholic drinks.

best start you can have. be aware that bars and so on are no sure way thing to pull girls. it is a playground and if you get lucky you can pick up one or two. dont count on that and just concentrate on making friends and having fun instead, and/or even just becoming comfortable around attractive women without the inhibition of an actual interest in them. chinese proverb: if you want to get there fast, make a detour.


so. people are telling prolly that being a virgin is no big deal. you might think it is BS and they dont know what they are talking about. but i was in the exact same shoes like you once and i tell you, it really is no big deal. you just dont talk to her about it or anything in that direction unless as a joke. you make it a problem, it becomes a problem. you follow your natural instincts and stop pushing chicks off your lap and everything will be fine.

 

[JohnChops]

1. Forget hookers
2 drop the.booze
3. Work out
4. Read the DJ bible and apply.information
5. Welcome

 

[Burroughs]

First go to Nevada or Mexico and get a hooker…you need to get this monkey off your back.

Once that happens you'll feel reborn

rinse and repeat

There is nothing wrong with this, men of all status high and low have been using them for millenia....don't let our current generation of sissified faggot males who lack historical insight shame you in any way

be realistic….you are 30 you are not getting any younger….start fvcking.

YOU ALWAYS PAY FOR WOMEN....only stupid men fail to realize this. And the price is increasing everyday....even western hb 3 uggos are demanding and getting desperate hb 7 men.

whether you pay upfront or later (marriage...alimony) YOU ALWAYS PAY FOR WOMEN

 

[30Yov]

Thanks for the advice.

 

[marmel75]

Bro...they are just people...they have this power over you because you've given it to them.

 

[JohnChops]

First go to Nevada or Mexico and get a hooker…you need to get this monkey off your back.

Once that happens you'll feel reborn

rinse and repeat

There is nothing wrong with this, men of all status high and low have been using them for millenia....don't let our current generation of sissified faggot males who lack historical insight shame you in any way

be realistic….you are 30 you are not getting any younger….start fvcking.

YOU ALWAYS PAY FOR WOMEN....only stupid men fail to realize this. And the price is increasing everyday....even western hb 3 uggos are demanding and getting desperate hb 7 men.

whether you pay upfront or later (marriage...alimony) YOU ALWAYS PAY FOR WOMEN

This is the saddest truth ever. Whether you pay by putting up their BS,.paying for them on a date, etc. Its all the same

 

[JohnnyStorm]

Are you well liked? Do you have a life? Or does it just revolve around feeling sorry for yourself because you are still a virgin?

It sounds like you are the atypical "nice guy". So if you've read all the material, surely you know what you need to do?

Being a virgin isn't a big deal. I remember when I lost my virginity, the girl didn't believe I was a virgin, I knew what to do, made her orgasm and whilst it wasn't perfect, it went alright.

I would suggest affirmations to build yourself up as a man who is confident around women and takes what he wants, visualization on the same subject and making a list of goals and dreams. Map out your life, what is it you want w.r.t. health, wealth, career, women and start living your dreams.

If you build it, they will come. So keep working on yourself man and forget about the fact that you are a virgin and are womanless, it's not a big deal. Start believeing that you are THE man.

 

[30Yov]

Are you well liked? Do you have a life? Or does it just revolve around feeling sorry for yourself because you are still a virgin?

Am I well liked? Actually I think so, I'm often invited to birthday parties, even of guys I only see once a month, at my job my teammates like me, aswell as my manager. If I know a person, even a HB, I can talk easy to her and they will talk back. On the other hand I have a feeling that I don't really belong somewhere, never have actually.

I think I have a life, I meet up several times a week with friends, I regulary go on citytrips/holidays with them, i go swimming, to the movies, going out, partys. Normally I'm only 2 - 3 evenings a week at home. But if you mean, do I have a real Hobby, than the answer is no. I used to do Kick and Thaiboxing but I had a severe accident 10 years ago - overrun by a drunken cardriver who didn't stop for the red light - and I had to stop ...

In the group of friends, I take the lead ( maybe because nobody else does it? ) and they all follow. You can say I'm the head of the woman-losers ( No real losers since some of them have great jobs and homes )

 

[Burroughs]

You're European right?....Easy go to Amsterdam or Spain and bang the hottest chick you can rent...

don't even think twice

and above all don't feel guilty

Sex is a human need just like eating, you don't feel guilty while eating at a good restaurant do you? of course not. So there is no need to feel any different about sex.

Society uses sex as a way to enslave men...this is nonsense....it is a pleasurable act like a massage or a good meal that should be treated as such.

And of course continue to talk to civilian biyaches...but I'll bet you anything that once you visit a few professionals you will feel a new lightness that regular women will be drawn to.

 

[Fatal Jay]

Damn, this is crazy

how can you be a virgin that long, whatever you do bro, keep your virginity, dont lay down with any girl,and whatever you do dont marry her, thinking you in love cause the woman is going to run game on you.

And dont listen to those guys, dont lay down with a hooker or escort,you will regrect it for the rest of your life

dont feel bad your a virgin, wait for the right girl bro, she is coming trust me, if i held my virginity that long, i would get to knock a chick and 2 year later

but since i didnt wait, im on my dj ish

 

[JohnChops]

Damn, this is crazy

how can you be a virgin that long, whatever you do bro, keep your virginity, dont lay down with any girl,and whatever you do dont marry her, thinking you in love cause the woman is going to run game on you.

And dont listen to those guys, dont lay down with a hooker or escort,you will regrect it for the rest of your life

dont feel bad your a virgin, wait for the right girl bro, she is coming trust me, if i held my virginity that long, i would get to knock a chick and 2 year later

but since i didnt wait, im on my dj ish

wait for a girl .... no perfect girl is going to present herself right to your door step. You have to go out and work to find the girl of your dreams. You need to go through ALOT of women to find that type of girl anyway. You can lay of a hooker if you want, who cares. Do whatever YOU want. We are only guides for YOU. But honestly they're more parts to being a DJ that people miss. The main point of being a dj is : Women are a by product of your succes they are NOT your success.

Come on guys ...

 

[irocknike23]

Hi Guys,- I have no backup from friends since they are probably even worse than me ...

There is the problem.
To the OP:
From what it sounds like, your problem is your social circle. You said your friends all suck with girls. What do you guys do for fun? I'm guessing almost every weekend involves some sausage fest type event?

You need to find new friends who get girls...but do not abandon your current friends(that's a whole other topic)

I had the same problem as you when I was 15. I could not talk to a girl at all and actually made me nervous as hell when I was around them. My friends however were always around girls and talked to them very naturally. They noticed my problem by the time I was 16(they noticed I was never around any girls or anything) so they did me a huge favor which at the time pissed me off and what I thought was humiliating, but to this day I am thankful they did it...what they did was throw me in the fire. Yup, no tips or prep talks just basically pushed me off the ledge and expected me to fly.

They would make me go up to girls, and talk to them. Or when there would be girls in the room with us they would put me on blast and tell all the girls how I am scarred to talk them. All the girls would laugh and find it cute as they talked to me and watched my face turn red:cuss: :box:

I hated it so bad. I was getting humiliated, having people laugh at me(the whole room of my friends and the girls that were in there)...
but about 3-4 months of doing so I noticed I started talking to girls on the regular. I would be texting different girls and talking to them on the phone, making plans to hang out...and prior to all that the only girls I would call or text would be my mom or my teachers...

And eventually I was getting to "mess around" with girls on the regular as well and basically always had some kind of female company from that point on. Like I said my friends did me a huge favor. If they would of never done that, I have no idea where I would be today.


Get some friends that get girls dude, you will be able to talk to them with practice just like anything else. But you cant practice if all your current friends get no girls, and its kinda hard to go talk to random women out in public when you have no experience and suck at it.

Just remember, girls/women are still people and asking them a simple question can spark a good convo such as:
Where are you from?
Where do you live?
Where did you go to school?
Where do you work?
What music do you listen to?
Favorite food?
What did you end up doing last weekend?

Those are just basic examples..