The “Men’s Rights Movement” should be called the “Beta Power Movement”

[Tictac]

What's hilarious is Sooliman can't seem to move past his own self-imposed boundary of going in circles talking about boundaries. :crackup:

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Soolie is totally stuck on stupid.

 

[Tenacity]

pumpkin-head

MRM is basically the same as feminists on the other side, both share extreme views holding a lot of anger and resentment towards the opposite sex.

For starters, I support the positive side of feminism that says that oppressing a woman's rights to work, be educated, and vote is not an efficient way to operate a country. I believe that women should have ALL the rights to pursue their Pursuit of Happiness and not have laws that ban them from doing so based on their gender. This OPPRESSION is what started the feminist movement.

The issue, though, is that you don't take a wrong and make another wrong. In trying to eliminate oppression you end up oppressing other people AFTER you have been relieved of said oppression. That is wrong and unjust, just as the original oppression was.

If feminists would have STOPPED at just fighting for the right to vote, to work, be educated and pursue their own pursuit of happiness, we wouldn't need a damn Men's Rights Movement and there wouldn't be a damn MGTOW.

The issue, however, is that feminists didn't stop. Once they removed the oppression and were GIVEN power (notice I said given because they didn't fight any wars to obtain it, men GAVE them power out of guilt) then they took that power and turned it on Men to now start oppressing them through:

- Dominating media causing a change in culture and societial norms. Those changes in norms promoted that in order for men to have the "opportunity" to be with a woman, he had to CATER to a woman's needs and desires in order to "please" her. This catering could be done in the "beta way" such as doing it through offering financial provision and protection (marriage, sugar daddy, white knight, etc). Or the catering could be done in the "alpha way" such as sexing her down right, making her laugh, etc. BOTH of which puts the man in the "audition" role and the woman in the role of the "producer" selecting whom is deemed "worthy" to step on her stageshow and be her PERFORMANCE CLOWN this week.

- Manipulating the Court Systems to rape a man in divorce and rape him in child support.

- Manipulating the Court Systems to put a man in jail for false DV and false rape charges, with no backlash from society or the Court System if they are found out to be lying.

The ONLY reason women have power is because it was given to them out of guilt. The issue though, is that their power has been implemented so much into our political, education, workforce, and other systems that it's nearly impossible to FIGHT this. Either you will be live your life as a woman's PERFORMANCE clown (in a beta or alpha way) or you will live your life solo as an MGTOW....with the shame and pressure of society forever on you as you continue to "go your own way" until retirement and eventually to death.

 

[Soolaimon]

You still butthurt over getting your @ss kicked on the boundaries debate?

Hilarious!

You are more delusional than I thought if you think you won the boundary debate.

Everybody that read it saw that you lost it except the same 4 people who agree with you.

You couldn't even defend your own claims of the boundary. I refuted every false claim you made. Everybody saw that even the moderator. Boundaries are useless.

Nice projection by the way. That's the same thing a feminist does projecting their weaknesses, failures, and mistakes onto others. You do that a lot.

Boundaries work great for filtering out women who have different values than me. However nothing is fool-proof protection from a misandric family court system.

If boundaries filter out women so great then you won't have to fear a misandric family court system. Put a ring on her finger then.

And nobody ever said boundaries were fool-proof either, and they certainly are not good for people like yourself who would rather their girl date other men than risk her not wanting to commit to you.

More lies and false claims coming from you again.

My girl is committed to me.

She cut other men out of her life when she wanted to be exclusive.

That is real commitment right there.

That is what loving high quality women do unlike yours who had to be prodded by you to give up her men until you decided to commit to her.

See the difference?

I didn't need to set a fearful boundary like you had to.

I told you this already several times now. Why can't you remember that?

Youi are right about that boundaries are useless.

Grow some balls and recognize the value of your commitment, more importantly, set a price on it.

You should grow some balls and not hide behind a fearful boundary being terrified of other men that your woman may run to.

Grow some balls and put a ring on her finger to prove your boundary theory is valid.

My price has already been set a long time ago.

My High Value made her cut out other men on her own. Your woman never did that for you.

You have low value. That is why you need a boundary telling her to give up other men when she doesn't want to.

Yup. Solly is the spearhead of feminism and the lack of accountability among women. The concept of women being accountable or men having standards just makes Solly red with rage.

I'm laughing at your ignorance.

A verbal boundary does nothing for you except in your own delusional mind.

I'd say a woman who has decided on her own what she wants and what I want her to do is being accountable.

I have standards. I didn't commit to a hor who still wanted other men around trying to impose a boundary on her.

Gain some value so someday you can do the same.

Quit living in fear. Put a ring on her finger.

 

[Soolaimon]

So did mine. The difference was that I had the balls to verbalize my definition of commitment, whereas you were too terrified to do so. Gain confidence in your value son and don't allow ambiguity to reside in your life or commitments. In short, don't hide from your beliefs or expectations.

You verbalized out of fear cause you were scared of her other men. That's insecurity. Me I don't care. I will replace her if I need to.

It's not being terrified when she already did what I wanted her to do. Are you crazy?

I already have confidence in my high value. That's why my woman chose me. That's why other women want me. My woman knows that too.

High value men don't need to set a price. Women already know my price. That's why they want me.

Low value betas need to set an inflated price on themselves cause of insecurity. They hold no value. They accept her request of exclusitivity trying to put boundaries out of fear cause they have no other options.

Don't hide behind your boundary.

Get rid of your fear.

Put your boundary to the test.

If you have the balls marry her.

Put a ring on her finger and marry her tomorrow.

What are you afraid of if you have such high value?

High value men aren't afraid of women cheating unlike you.

 

[Zarky]

If that’s the case, quit blogging. Quit whining. Accept yourself and move to Alaska to be alone and enjoy the beautiful scenery there. I’m waiting for the day when MGTOW truly and permanently GTOW rather than just threatening to.

****, should be "threaten to." That'll teach me to blog while high.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Since Zarky likes to pick and pull things out of context to serve his (her?) narrative, it's probably best everyone read the original post in its entirety:

http://therationalmale.com/2014/09/29/a-new-hope/

RE: The MRM;

Game Works:
http://therationalmale.com/2014/10/09/game-works/

Doing Something

What is the manosphere actually ‘doing’?
This is the first critique I expect from from a poor debate opponent – disqualifying the strength or validity of a premise by the ‘success’ or lack thereof of a proponent’s efforts to enact or convince others of that premise.
By this logic, one could make the case that the MRM is an utter failure, but it still doesn’t mean they aren’t correct in their efforts.

As I mentioned on the Christian McQueen Show, I’m of a bottom up, or an inside – out mind when it comes to enacting red pill ‘change. The manosphere is raising awareness and this needs time (maybe even a generation) to mature into personal consciousness and then popular consciousness.

It’s difficult to quantify the ‘results’ of the manosphere, red pill awareness and Game because its effects are individually subjective at this stage. There isn’t a day that goes by that I don’t receive an email, a forum/blog comment or a tweet about how my book or what I’ve written on the blog has changed (or literally saved) a man’s life.

That’s not meant to gloss myself, but rather to illustrate a point – the red pill (and Game) is doing something, it’s changing minds and lives. It’s not rallying men in the streets and waving banners, nor is it effecting legal or social policy (yet), but it’s making men aware of their condition and changing their beliefs.

No hate for what the MRM is doing, I recognize the intent and applaud it, but thus far it’s been impotent in effecting “real change in policy”, while red pill awareness has done more for men individually. For all of the MRM’s efforts to enact public change, all it takes is one White Knight in a position of authority to say “GTFO you misogynist creeps!” Now imagine in the future a man who’s red pill aware in a position to effect that policy.

Real change isn’t going to happen directly it’s going to happen indirectly, on a man by man basis. And not just publicly but personally.

That change will happen in men’s relationships with their wives, daughters and sons. That change may simply be a form of ‘civil disobedience’ in not marrying at all, or holding women accountable for their open embrace of hypergamy and their AFBB sexual strategy and only marrying / supporting women who make an effort to control their hypergamy.

That change will happen in the workplace and hiring practices. That change will filter into men’s better understanding as the red pill spreads and men reassume some of the social frame control the Feminine Imperative unilaterally legislates and provide to women now.

The red pill is ‘doing’ something, it’s planting the seeds for a greater shift in gender power with every man who becomes aware of how women ‘are’ and what they will predictably do.

Feminism is feminine-primacy masked as equality. The MRM (now more palatably renamed MHRM to ‘humanize’ it) wants that same dream of equality by redressing the glaring inequalities towards men that feminism has relentlessly pressed upon men in the name of that same equality.

The fundamental flaw in the MRM is that it was founded on the express purpose of promoting the same “true” egalitarian equalism feminism idealizes. Once again, I am a complementarian, any notion that a balanced equalism can exist between the sexes – evolved physically and psychologically to be essential complements to one another – is inherently flawed.

I hold Dr. Warren Farrell in the highest esteem, if it weren’t for Why Men Are The Way They Are you wouldn’t be reading this blog. However, where I strongly disagree with him is in his preconception that an egalitarian balance of equal relations between men and women as an idealized state can ever be a possibility.

1st and 2nd wave feminism used to hold exactly this same notion as a tenet of its ideology. Today we can see that the idea of egalitarian equalism is counter to the natural complementarity between the sexes.
The higher ambitions of men will be more actionable and realizable when those men understand that their dominant role is what’s expected of them by society and women instead of an endless pandering to an unrealizable gender parity.

The moment men, through sheer effort and determination, finally achieve some precarious balance of equality between themselves and women, that’s when women will complain those men aren’t “Men” anymore.