Texting as a replacement for speaking?

Rollo Tomassi

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Texting, IM, email, and long phone calls are all Buffers if they become substitutes for face-to-face personal communication. It's not that digital communication is "bad", it's when it becomes your PREFERRED method of communicating that it becomes a Buffer.

Bear in mind what a Buffer is - a methodology with the purpose of blunting potential rejection. How many guys have bemoaned a MySpace hook up where they got off on all the great IMs and emails and thought how compatible they were with some girl only to find out she was really a 300lb. land monster who took shots from top angles in her pics? That's the Buffer.

Let me ask this, since a good percentage of us are above 30 y.o. and can remember a time when there was no internet, cell phones or IMs; did you ever pass notes to a girl you liked in junior high or high school? Did you ever write letters on notebook paper to the girl you wanted to get with? How did that work out for you? Why don't you do it now? Maybe because it would come off as immature?

IMs, chat, email, texts, etc. are simple the 21st century equivalent of passing notes in class. Women may even eat it up, because they love the act of communicating, but it's simply a Buffer against rejection. It's a nice, safe wall against looking a girl in the eye and conversing on the spot. It lulls you into a false sense of security with a woman - you have all the time in the world to calculate your words, but you're blind to her body language, her vocal intonations, her eye contact, and all the rest of the subcommunications that women instinctively use on a daily basis. Texting and all the other innovative Buffers we think open us to greater facility of communication actually isolate us and limit us from learning to read a woman (and others) in real time, so it's no wonder guys freeze and choke and need PUA seminars and DVDs to help them overcome what should've been socialized into them as a natural acculturation.

I think the default excuse is to fall back on the idea that messaging is just a new modern convenience that makes it easier to connect, but all it really is is another introversion. I've been married for over 13 years, and both my wife and I have cell phones, AIM, email etc., but we've never used these for more than what needs to be bought at the grocery store on the way home from work. We have the choice to use any kind of communication, but we talk face to face or on the phone because it's easier, and there's no bullsh!t barrier of potential rejection now.

I realize all this makes me sound like some Luddite; trust me I'm not. I use IM, texting, email, my cell phone, etc. all the time. In my line of work I'd say I use digital communication more than a lot of people on this board, but it's a poor substitute for direct communication. You can't detect sarcasm, elation, depression, or really any emotional subtleties with any real certainty. Our sales team ALWAYS meet face to face with accounts. Any good salesman will agree that being present is always preferable to cold calls - why would dating be different? Because you have a personal investment - yourself.
 

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STR8UP:
That was Doc Love, and I remember thinking how utterly absurd the "home phone only" advice was, even at the time.
You only have 38 posts to go, so let's make this quick. The "home phone only" advice (back when home phones existed) wasn't absurd in principle. The principle was to push the envelope to the path of most resistance. Women were much more guarded about handing out their home phone number, whereas women hand out their cell phone number like a business card. You had to be valued to get the home digits and the point was to screen out low interest and deal with girls who value you. So, the advice wasn't absurd because the principle wasn't about reaching a woman by phone.
Scrouds:
Reading this thread I'm reminded of a scene from last season's true blood, where the vampire asks the girl if he can call on her. As in make a visit. Its always changing, morphing. Much like fashion, certain things, themes change, but the baselines always remain.

I would agree with Rogue here, hating assumes malice, and I didn't get that vibe as much as just calling it as it is. Kind of the situation that sparks the quip "My drinking team has a bowling problem."
I don't quite follow you. Can you clarify what you meant by "hating assumes malice?"
 

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Rogue said:
I don't quite follow you. Can you clarify what you meant by "hating assumes malice?"


I read this originally: "There was hating of broads except it was acute observations of objective physical reality." and based my comments off that without fully reading that you are still acknoledging hate. I don't think there was that much hating. It seemed much more like observations on the world without much malice and the emotion of hate.

Our meet up, I didn't get a hate vibe, more of a "this is the way it is" vibe, without any real emotion attached to it. Of course that's just how I felt, others may have felt differently. The cigars were making me pretty mellow.
 

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scrouds said:
I read this originally: "There was hating of broads except it was acute observations of objective physical reality.".
Oh, you were talking about that. It's all kosher.
Our meet up, I didn't get a hate vibe, more of a "this is the way it is" vibe, without any real emotion attached to it. Of course that's just how I felt, others may have felt differently.
I think we were all on the same page.
 

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Texting is a great supplementary tool in order to get a women or groups of women to hang out.

"Going to ___, meet us there" has worked many times. Its not a method of back and forth conversation as much as it is a form of communicating where you will be. If you have done your work and gotten the girl interested prior to getting their phone number, getting them or a group of friends to hang out with a simple text does the trick.

texting is not a replacement to speaking, but something to use in concert with it.
 

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While I do agree that nothing can beat face to face convo, and you shouldn't carry on long text conversations, I disagree that you should never use texting.

I'm home from work today, and my current fave plate is working at a nearby law firm. I just sent her a lengthy text detailing all the sexual things I wanted to do to her.

She immediately knocked off work, came over, got down on her knees and gave me a world class bj and swallowed all the cvm. We then proceeded to do freakier stuff.

The lesson: No bs little back and forth texting convos that girls try to suck you into. Take charge and make it work for you.
 

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my current fave plate is working at a nearby law firm...

She immediately knocked off work, came over, got down on her knees and gave me a world class bj and swallowed all the cvm.
Hey! That's what I like to hear: A lawyer who actually gets her clients off!
 

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I make a lot of arrangements for dates / hanging out while I'm at work during the day, so it's more convenient for me to text the time & location, than call, and also more convenient for the girl to already have the info in her phone, than having to write it down somewhere.

After hours, I may opt to call more, but I'm also pretty busy then (going out, working out etc.) so if it's easier to text, I'll do it.

I really don't like talking on the phone. My phone conversations are typically under 1 minute, up to 3 for important people (parents, girlfriend, close friends). I'd rather talk in person, and I use phone, text, Facebook, IM, whatever to get to that.
 

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I am one of those 30 year olds who hasn't yet adopted text messaging on my cell phone. But I probably will be soon.

The reason is that I started talking with a deaf woman in my area. I keep some online profiles active (not expecting any result from them). She and I started talking online, but she is 24 and, being deaf, texting is her main way of communication.

She just gave me her cell phone number today asking me to text her.

I think her case is a special case. So I need to figure out how best to text. I'd rather just set up a time and place rather than have a conversation w/ text.

But since texting, for this girl, is her main way of communication, it's what I have to work with.
 

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I'm not over 25, but I have to mention that I think Rollo is absolutely right, and to avoid using texting as a buffer, it's easiest to just cut it out altogether. Like facebook and myspace. I don't need all that stuff complicating my life. I just feel sorry for everybody around me who's plugged into their cell phones and blackberries. I feel like they're kind of missing out on life.
 

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Darth said:
I'm not over 25,
Although I appreciate your input you do not have the requisite experience to comment on this topic.

If I'd have put this out in the Discussion forum you may be able to offer something.

Probably best to stay in the younger man's forums.
 
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