Testosterone & Nutrition advice

[GrowingPains]

Sup dudes,

From time to time I see some advice about getting testosterone up. "Eat keto, fast, do this.. do that..".

And I used to be really heavy into the war on carbs and fasting. But the most frustrating thing I found with the nutrition advice out there is that most of it is given by gurus and isn't scientifically significant. And a problem that I see with most of the conversations here is that same thing. So someone could be sharing info with the best intention, but with no scientific backing and possibly even offering harmful advice.

To try and circumvent that, here is a podcast from 3 well-respected doctors in the powerlifting and nutrition realms. These gentlemen are medical doctors and PhD's, so I hope you will find value in their information. Their approach is the scientific process. To review the literature, see what things have significant effect or do not and make recommendations based on empirical evidence from populations that are statistically large enough to draw conclusions from. I think that is quite valuable in today's health climate.

Bonus, a discussion on what constitutes 'healthy nutrition':

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

I hope you realize that medical doctors don’t learn about this type of stuff, right? Maybe those who have a PhD in anatomy, but even then. Doctors really don’t know jack **** about this type of stuff, they just see you as a list of symptoms and know what drugs to give you for which of those symptoms lol.

What you’re talking about are biochemists, organic chemists, and sometimes cell biologists. Those people actually know about this stuff. Not doctors, lmao

Statisticians could also tell you what’s up, too, just because they know how to read data. Doctors don’t know ****.

 

[GrowingPains]

I hope you realize that medical doctors don’t learn about this type of stuff, right? Maybe those who have a PhD in anatomy, but even then. Doctors really don’t know jack **** about this type of stuff, they just see you as a list of symptoms and know what drugs to give you for which of those symptoms lol.

What you’re talking about are biochemists, organic chemists, and sometimes cell biologists. Those people actually know about this stuff. Not doctors, lmao

Statisticians could also tell you what’s up, too, just because they know how to read data. Doctors don’t know ****.

Those are really dangerous claims to make. And the narrative you're preaching is exactly the one that has allowed gurus to market themselves so well. It sounds great. It's sexy. "Doctors don't know what they're talking about". Everyone wants to be disruptive. I, too, used to believe this. My aim with this post is to caution people in thinking so black and white.

But I would like to add that the references I've given are based in research. Not solely based on the education that doctors receive. Which, by your claims, is valid:

Statisticians could also tell you what’s up, too, just because they know how to read data.

A scientist, which these doctors are (they're not primary care physicians - which should probably get more credit than they do, opinion), are trained in reading data. Moreover, they're trained in understanding the first principles guiding the data.

If you actually listen to the videos, you'll find that they're making conclusions based on data from the majority. Health indexes that have data collected over many years. They're not just spouting things they've recently heard.

 

[EyeBRollin]

The cure for low T is to fvck more women and lift heavy ass weights.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

fvck more women and lift heavy ass weights

words to live by

 

[Epic Days]

Do the blood tests. I did. I believe the blood tests. Free testosterone is the goal. Science is in the baseline blood test compared to periodic tests after.

if you haven’t done this. You know nothing.

 

[Who Dares Win]

I find that talking about sex hormones to the family doctor is a waste of time anyway.

Optimal test levels should be a goal for any man given the benefits, the problem is that the family doctor checks your bloodwork and if your levels are within the normal range (a range that would have been considereded low level only few decades ago) he says you are fine.

If you are skinny fat, with low libido, low energy and scared of your own shadow doesnt really matter to him cause tests level are within range and his job is fixing broken cars not improving the slow rusty ones.

Personally what I found to be great for my test (along with many hormones) is to change life style and eating habits.

First of all drop all the negativity and stress around you, its not your duty to listen or agree with people so if any relative is a cvnt dont bother visiting...dont bother be nice with coworkers who annoy you or demand services from you (women especially), feel free to not give a fvck and say it.

Then sport, lift weights and lift them to grow not to check a box, big compound exercises and some refinements in the end with intensity over volume.

Diet, basically get rid of any nutrient poor high caloric food especially high simple sugar ones except for the following moments you leave the gym...I still curse myself for spending my teens eating ice cream and snacks late night after dinner cause it made me fatter, it messed up my hormones and partially my teeth too.

Also keep alchool under control, best thing not to consume at all during the week and save it for the weekend when its necessary for other activies involving good looking young femine women, I say again good looking young feminine women (see life style advice).

Thats what worked for me.

Moved from average to low test in sep 2017 to average to high in june 2018, didnt check since then but will probably do before ny eve.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Boron is huge. It lowers SHBG (which increases free testosterone), raises DHT, lowers estrogen (data is mixed on this one actually, but since SHBG is lowered, it’s likely that it actually does lower estrogen), cures arthritis for most people, increases vitamin D for no reason, and increases magnesium absorption too. It also decreases wound healing time by 2/3.

 

[Blacksheep]

Do the blood tests. I did. I believe the blood tests. Free testosterone is the goal. Science is in the baseline blood test compared to periodic tests after.

if you haven’t done this. You know nothing.

Totally agree!!

And as most that says doctors don't know nothing, are being fooled by thoses "lobbyist gurus". The same thing with "natural options" (some work, but not as a miracle solution as they sold... pure marketing).

Many doctors may not be very skilled and may not help you properly, but also there are a lot of them that are very skilled and gave you great results.

Science is everything, the rest is only speculations.

20 pounds off, glicose normalized, feeling more energized, eating the right food, sexual life improving a lot (4 months of treatment)... after I gave up this lies people sell on internet and found a decent doctor. It saved my life and was the first one I really see some consistent and great results.

 

[Epic Days]

Totally agree!!

And as most that says doctors don't know nothing, are being fooled by thoses "lobbyist gurus". The same thing with "natural options" (some work, but not as a miracle solution as they sold... pure marketing).

Many doctors may not be very skilled and may not help you properly, but also there are a lot of them that are very skilled and gave you great results.

Science is everything, the rest is only speculations.

20 pounds off, glicose normalized, feeling more energized, eating the right food, sexual life improving a lot (4 months of treatment)... after I gave up this lies people sell on internet and found a decent doctor. It saved my life and was the first one I really see some consistent and great results.

Plenty of doctors will give you the blood test analysis or copy it for you. Lol
If they didn’t they would be history.
i agree with how yours turned out. Insulin control is everything. Your lifespan is directly in relation to your glucose levels over a lifetime.

 

[Marcosuve]

Don't do this, Man. You must be your self.

 

[GeeMale]

I'm on Testosterone 200mg/week. They're right. Doctors don't know MUCH, they look at it from symptoms+blood work and adjust dose accordingly to what you tell them. However they know enough (especially TRT clinics) if they themselves know form personal experience. Only thing that changed Testosterone since I got on it May 2018(minus 6 months) is more muscle(this will plateau eventually I think...it's not really for that anyways) , more mentally clear, libido?(not horny like what a stimulants is like, but I notice I think about sex and women alot, at the same time I don't masturbate or watch porn either...but I think it's sexual fantasies and appreciation and fun with women or something....it's hard to tell if testosterone helped with that cause I was already improving on women a year before), drive.

In my opinion unless you have a serious deficiency or changing sexes, testosterone will only significant help guys who are more older above 40-50. Im young and test was low but it only helped with 4 things I wrote above. It's not "LIFE CHANGING" how older guys told from the gym. Btw old guys on TRT look like they're on roids to an untrained or ignorant eye lol. Very impressive.

 

[bcude]

I'd love to check my free testosterone, but you'll have to pay for that sh1t here. Certainly worth to dig into. I know injecting it has done wonders for alot of guys, nothing i would experiment with though.

 

[stovepipe]

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