Testosterone Boosters and the Babes

[domingo_mandingo]

Hey dudes,

I've been into bodybuilding for the last year and a half and have put on some good gains. I train four times a week, eat cleanly six times a day, and avoid alcochol and substances (except for special occasions). To accelerate gains I tend to supplement with products such as creatine, arginine and testosterone boosters.

I've noticed some highly desirable side effects as a result of using test boosters, which extend over to the ladies. Firstly, there seems to be an increased tendency for girls to place themselves in my near proximity. Secondly, I find a greater tendency for girls to approach and engage me about absolutely nothing. There are other desirable effects too, ie. such as a deepening of the voice.

My theory is that other things equal, chicks are attracted to and will actively seek out males with the greatest amount of testosterone. I have found these results to be most profound when using Universal Animal Stack 2. I also found that by NOT whacking off (ever), these results were also amplified. However, taking this additional step may give you the urge to rip someones head after three weeks of not beating it :trouble:.

Has anyone else found similar results from using t-boosters? Would getting on the juice produce similar (better) results?

 

[fuvultux]

I have found these results to be most profound when using Universal Animal Stack 2. I also found that by NOT whacking off (ever), these results were also amplified. However, taking this additional step may give you the urge to rip someones head after three weeks of not beating it

 

[princeofpersia420]

you dont need that crap screeww roidsss

 

[Quiksilver]

I've been into bodybuilding for the last year and a half and have put on some good gains. I train four times a week, eat cleanly six times a day, and avoid alcochol and substances (except for special occasions).

First off let's just say good work

Second, what are your goals and why do you want to take AAS?

 

[domingo_mandingo]

I just want to get as muscular as possible. Im 6 foot tall, currently weighing 85kg carrying about 12-15% BF, with a lot of water retention (Creatine). I started out at 66kg with about 10% BF. My long term goal is to crack 90kg with <6% BF. Im hoping to achieve this in 2 - 3 years.

I have no intention of getting on the juice at the moment, as it is expensive/complicated, risks are involved and I still have ALOT of growth to achieve before I reach my genetic limit.

The purpose of my post was to see if others were finding greater attention from Women as a result of taking t-boosters, holding other factors constant. I myself have found this.

 

[Big Poppa]

Hey what do you guys think of Novedex XT? Its a non anabolic tetosterone booster, got thre built in estrogen blocker too.

I'm taking it with an additional estrogen blocker. Not really anything else I'm taking.

Do you think I'll get the same results?

 

[56andre]

Yea man I know what you mean

I’ve been on & off the weights for a long time but only got serious within the last 4-5 weeks & I’m already recognising the chicks staring me down more!

Oh & they are way easier to game, you can say the most stupid $hit & get away with it.

This may sound strange, but I also get stared down by guys too, I don’t think it’s a gay thing, more like envy.

Over all you get more respect from everyone

Respect yourself & everything else falls in place.

 

[blinkwatt101]

Your supplement, Universal Animal Stack 2, is a joke. If your going supplement anything more then protein I'd suggest looking into performance enhancing drugs. Go big or go home.

People do not consider that a chunk of this over the counter crap is banned within a few years. Tren,Hydroxycut and so on. What makes them different from a steroid? Nothing. If used with proper education and moderate dosages you should be okay to use then.

Yes I have friends who have taken test. Don't do it. Most people who take test take way too much of it and dont know how to properly use it,thus they end up fat assuming they gained 20lbs of pure muscle. I've noticed nothing different as far as gaining women though. Although the dudes never had an issue getting them prior to it.

 

[CaptainJ]

Lol this is definetly just some spam account used to advertise this animal stack product. Look at both accounts, 7 and 1 post. The guy with 1 post copies the exact wording of the OP. It's not even a good attempt at trying to sell a product.

 

[Colossus]

My theory is that other things equal, chicks are attracted to and will actively seek out males with the greatest amount of testosterone.

You are correct sir. I swear that women can SMELL high testosterone.

Your supplement, Universal Animal Stack 2, is a joke. If your going supplement anything more then protein I'd suggest looking into performance enhancing drugs. Go big or go home.

People do not consider that a chunk of this over the counter crap is banned within a few years. Tren,Hydroxycut and so on. What makes them different from a steroid? Nothing. If used with proper education and moderate dosages you should be okay to use then.

Yes I have friends who have taken test. Don't do it. Most people who take test take way too much of it and dont know how to properly use it,thus they end up fat assuming they gained 20lbs of pure muscle. I've noticed nothing different as far as gaining women though. Although the dudes never had an issue getting them prior to it.

M1T (methyl-1-testosterone) used be legal a few years back. Because the compound wasn't produced at the time of the big anabolic steroids control act, it got though the legal system and was sold OTC for a time. This was a legitimate oral steroid, no bones about it. The sh!t worked. Side effects were pretty bad though. Once the gov't got wind it was effective, they pulled it and banned it.

Now, any OTC test-booster you can buy is crap. Don't waste your money. Gaspari's NovadexXT is a good research-backed product, but this will only increase your free test levels. I did not "feel" any noticeable change while taking it.

Regarding AAS, if you have only been training for a year and a half you have no business dabbling in steroids. IMO, you should have at least 6-8 years of solid drug-free training and be over the age of 25 before you start messing with your endocrine system.

Blinkwatt is correct, though---most guys who use test or other anabolics are idiots and use way too much for too long. They gain a lot of water and muscle glycogen, then lose most of it after cycle because they dont know how to properly come off. If you take the time---and I mean MONTHS---to do proper research and and delineate a sound gameplan, they can be used safely and you can keep most of your gains.

BTW, trenbolone is a potent veterinary steroid and hydroxycut is a stimulant that has been linked to cardiac events. Both work, however.

 

[blinkwatt101]

BTW, trenbolone is a potent veterinary steroid and hydroxycut is a stimulant that has been linked to cardiac events. Both work, however.

Tren and trenbolone are two different things.

Tren was designed from Trenbolone. Both are way too powerful for the human body in my opinion. Trenbolone is the real stuff. Tren is the kid version of it. I know the difference between the two has something to do with how Tren breaks down in the stomach.

One of my gym partners developed a growth in his chest similar to a tumor after using tren(the over the counter product) for around 12 months straight. He can't claim 100% for sure that it was linked to his use of it,but he swears it is. I also have another friend who got out of the hospital after a diabetes event and is on like 5 things,1 of which is over the counter Tren,I can't wait to see how this turns out.:nono:

 

[Colossus]

I see. I just thought "tren" was the abbreviation for trenbolone---in steroid lingo it is.

Trenbolone is an intramuscular injectable, so I'm assuming tren is an oral preparation. Oral steroids in high doses are bad news. Linked to hepatic tumors, adenomas, and acute hepatotoxicity.

 

[blinkwatt101]

I see. I just thought "tren" was the abbreviation for trenbolone---in steroid lingo it is.

See common mix ups like this are how people get misinformed and hurt using steroids. Even if you find people on this stuff they don't know what they are talking about 95% of the time(always judge one's knowledge in the gym by how their physique looks). Tren is used as an abbreviation for Trenbolone but it's also the exact name of a over the counter product that was banned not too long ago.

Trenbolone is a cow steroid(tren is designed from this,in a oral form and I believe that was turning illegal despite tons of name changes). Why the hell would you want to use it as a human? Use your head,get something that was designed by Doctors for human use, QUALITY Test,Deca, Dbol, Var & Whiny,from reliable reputable sources. But even so,I've done hours and hours upon hours of studying,watching,reading asking questions(to people very high in the golden age of bodybuilding world).....there was no mention of HGH,I've rarely heard crud of anyone using test. They kept it simple,dbol,var & whiny are the only ones I've confirmed that anyone has used. Keep in mind some of these steroids have been in use for almost 60 years now.....some have only been around for 5-10 and were designed in underground labs....no f'in chance 99% of the stuff out there I would never let in my body.

Var is the only oral that can be taken for years and years non-stop without ill effects.(a lot of variables though)

 

[Deadly_Ripped]

Why hasn't anyone pointed out that the original poster has changed 2 major things in his life:

He has gotten much bigger, and has boosted his testosterone.

He attributes the attention to testosterone, but it has already been shown throughout history that a more fit body attracts more instant attention from women. He has not shown in any way that simply taking something that increases testosterone has anything to do with how he is perceived by the opposite sex INDEPENDENT of being a bigger, more jacked guy.

He hasn't separated and assessed the effects of the two variables, and therefore hasn't made any justification for taking this particular product over getting big by exercise and protein/weight gainer supplementation alone.

 

[Fuglydude]

Interesting thread...

Blink, you've obviously done your research and know more than the average needle pushing meathead. I agree w/ many of your points. However, I disagree w/ your take on trenbolone. Yes, you are correct it is a "cow steroid". However, MDs don't design these drugs. AAS and related compounds are found in nature, and were isolated from natural sources by biochemists. Synthetic chemists and pharmacologists then learned to artificially synthesize these compounds in the lab and associated in vivo activity. Pharmacologists and MDs then figure out potential therapeutic uses.

Trenbolone is used in cows, however in your assertion you failed to comment on potential phylogenetic similarities between human and bovine androgen receptor (AR). AAS-AR binding is thought to be a primary means by which AAS elicit their effect. I've been up for 24 hours, so I'll only dig up one study for you:

Gene
Volume 399, Issue 2, 15 September 2007, Pages 105-111
Phylogenetic conservation of the androgen receptor AR45 variant form in placental mammals

cDNA similarities in the study suggest structural/functional similarities among AR between different mammals. From my reading it is thought that trenbolone binds 2-3x better to the AR than testosterone.

It is foolish to assume that AAS elicit their effects simply by action on the AR. This is especially true for compounds such as d-bol, which are thought to bind quite weakly to the AR.

I have 2 university degrees, am employed as health care professional, have been a high performance athlete, am self-employed in the male entertainment industry for almost 3.5 years, and have been lifting for over 10 years. I'm also fairly experienced AAS user. One thing I've learned is that everyone's metabolism is very unique. You have to empirically find out what combination of doses/drugs/cycle duration optimize gains while minimizing sides and post-cycle recovery time. This is done by trying different drugs and drug combinations and doses.

One universal overlying factor that I've found is that the results:side effect ratio is optimized when low/conservative doses are used. I'll seldom exceed 500 mg/wk of total AAS administration. I get virtually no sides (except for higher sex drive) when I keep my doses < 500 mg/wk. I've attempted "front loading" cycles where I'll take ~ 700-800 mg/wk for 2 weeks at the start of a cycle. I just end up feeling weird... almost feverish for a few days following injection when I do this.

My most successful cycles have been test:tren cycles w/ a total of 400-500 mg/wk. I've used a 2:1 test:tren ratio in the past, but my most recent cycle was a 1:1 ratio w/ a total of 400 mg/wk. I've never been as heavy, strong and lean as I was w/ this past cycle.

I strongly believe a good test ester(s) should be the back bone of any cycle, unless you're an advanced user who is using gear for some specific purpose. I agree w/ your point on people going overboard on test use and ending up gaining lots of "dirty" weight in the process. Test innately has a low toxicity and exogenous testosterone administration can make up for HPTA shutdown associated w/ using stuff like deca, etc.

Trenbolone has many negative effects. I've heard lots of guys complain of weird ass side effects, ei: "tren cough" from it. Furthermore, its quite suppressive to your HPTA, which translates to crappy post cycle recovery. That being said, I've never had any combo of substances that give me the results that the test:tren combo does. With this cycle I have a full 6-pack, and veins in my lower abs w/o doing any cardio (other than sex and shows). My strength is also good (relatively speaking). Trenbolone is a drug that must be treated w/ respect.

I can't explain it but trenbolone really changes your body. Since I started using it I've become more vascular and have a "harder" look when I'm on cycle. Trenbolone enanthate, a strictly underground compound, is great for cutting cycles or in a lean bulk cycle.

With regards to finding quality gear. I'd recommend going w/ pharm. grade stuff if you have a trusted source as many of the vials can be counterfeit. Personally I've always used good quality gear from underground labs. I've had great luck w/ my sources, as I personally know them, and trust the gear they produce. Underground labs profit in the long run when they produce good quality gear that creates loyal customers. They also produce stuff that commercial pharmaceutical labs wouldn't produce (ei: Sustanon "450", or "TNT", which is a combo of test/tren enanthate).

Colossus made some great points about abstaining from AAS until one has established a firm strength/fitness base w/ training and diet. I had naturally gained 50 lbs prior to my first cycle, but I only had 4 or so years under my belt at that time, and didn't know anything about dieting properly. I regret not waiting until I was at least 25.

I firmly believe the key to prudent AAS use is education, maturity and conservatism. It pisses me off when 17-year-olds "wanna get jacked fast" and sauce up w/ a dbol only cycle because they're scared of needles. These are the idiots that end up getting gynocomastia and blaming "evil steroids" for their own stupidity. OTC drugs like acetaminophen (I see many OD cases first hand... its not pretty!) , OTC NSAIDs kill more people than AAS, and I'm not even talking about alcohol and smoking. It troubles me that AAS are so demonized in the layman's eyes...

 

[blinkwatt101]

Care to post what you've used in the past? Cycles,length,results,side effects?

I've only had one bad account from friends who've tried Tren,but I'm still very weary of touching something was initially designed for livestock,regardless of what studies say. To me running something that high in mg is nuts.

I'm always willing to learn about others experience.

 

[Colossus]

Great post, FD.

The field of anabolic/androgenic hormones is HUGE and there are very few people who could be considered consummate experts on the subject. Most pin-pushing meatheads know what different drugs do, in an anecdotal sense, and how much to dose based of the experience of some other idiot who probably never read a study and pins his biceps every other day. When learning about AAS it is wise to listen to guys like FUGLY who have both experience and an academic knowledge base.

Experience is good, but Evidence is better.

Both are best.

FD i sent you a PM, when you get a chance.

 

[blinkwatt101]

Experience is evidence.

The molding of your physique is evidence of what you know.

 

[Colossus]

Talking about scientific evidence--statistically valid evidence that supports or refutes an event, process, or claim. One person's exp is not statistically valid.

Molding of a physique is evidence of what you have done, not necessarily what you know.

 

[blinkwatt101]

Talking about scientific evidence--statistically valid evidence that supports or refutes an event, process, or claim. One person's exp is not statistically valid.

Molding of a physique is evidence of what you have done, not necessarily what you know.

You only know as much as you are yourself(if that makes sense). I have yet to meet someone who has a truly amazing physique that didn't know what they were doing in the gym or in the kitchen. And I mean magazine cover,no less.