Trader said:
Even today, girls still drool over a guy with muscles even though they are no longer in danger of being attacked by a wild boar.
The Message Boy said:
I debate this point. I know alot of guys with muscles that get no girls. I see guys with hardly no visible muscles that do. The missing link between the two guys is more tied to their internal confidence, "swagga," or other related things. If her attraction to a guy was tied SOLELY to muscles, then guys with NO muscles with get nowhere.
Why do you reason like a girl? Seriously, talking to you is like talking to a girl - you are using total chick logic.
I didn't say a guy without muscles could not get girls. I never said that a girl will like a guy solely because of his muscles.
All I said was the simple point that girls find muscles to be attractive. If he has no other good qualities, then she will probably pass on him.
Conversely, if a man does not have muscles but has enough other qualities (money, status, decisiveness, humor, etc), then obviously, she might still choose him anyways.
Muscles are attractive, period, end of story.
Trader said:
Even a girl with a high paycheck with more than enough $$$ to sustain a high standard of living of LV handbags, will still go goo goo ga ga over an extremely wealthy man.
The Message Boy said:
That's called a golddigger. Women like status, yeah, but you can have status without being wealthy. How do you explain high school girls and college girls sleeping with guys that are either poor or saddled with student loan debt driving cars 10 or 15 years old? Frat boys get laid all over the place, they are FAIR from wealthy!
Again, you need to work on your logic and reasoning abilities, both are masculine traits.
Did I ever say that a man without money cannot get a girl? No.
Again, all I said was a man with money becomes more attractive to the girl. Does that mean money alone will get you the girl? No I never said that.
Money and the ability to provide is a masculine trait, girls are attracted to that. That's ALL I'm saying.
High school girls and college girls do not place as high of a value on a guys' money for two reasons
1) They are all about having fun, not marriage. Marriage requires money, fun does not
2) Even if a girl at that age places a high value on money, she will look to a guy's potential. If he has no money but has high potential, i.e. a law student, she will give him credit for that.
Messageboy said:
I beg the differ, I say take off the "religion based" sunglasses that are distorting your vision and look around you and see what's happening.
You might not like it, but it's a fact that masculinity and feminity are changing as culture changes.
> It wasn't FEMININE some years ago for a woman to work, however today, it's as FEMININE as ever!
> It wasn't MASCULINE some years ago for a man to even show romantic/emotional based feelings towards women, the men were more straight faced and serious and mean looking, TODAY, it's as masculine as ever.
> It wasn't MASCULINE some years ago for a guy to have both of his ears pierced, lol, today it's as masculine as ever.
I'm only going based on what I SEE, not what I personally WISH to believe (such as what you do when you reference "nature").
Are you a girl? Do you have any sense of logic at all, or are you so emo that you can't even think straight when discussing issues with people?
Masculinity and femininity is about the INNER NATURE of men and women - not what is popular in society.
If you come up and say: 'I have decided to never ask a girl out and I will wait for her to ask me out. This is the new definition of masculinity because every man now waits for the girl to ask him out'
I would laugh in your face, I would say: 'Your inner nature is that of a man, a man who is active and takes what he wants. The fact it is now in-vogue for men to wait for girls to ask them out, does not make passivity a masculine trait.'
Same idea with your example. If every girl in this world works, it does not change her true inner nature (femininity) - it does not make *working* feminine.
Girls believe that if they work and rise up the corporate ladder, it will give them true satisfaction. It does not. I know so many girls who just want to marry and get out of the workforce, if possible. Why? They do not find true fulfillment in working for wages and being the breadwinner, it goes against their true nature (femininity).
If every single girl in this world works it does not mean that it is feminine to work.
Messageboy said:
You might WISH TO BELIEVE that women are only "supposed" to play a certain role and the same for men, however, when you take off those religion sunglasses and look out into the field, you will see that majority of what your RELIGION teaches you is WRONG and is more based on recruiting you into the Men's Movement against Women to bring back the "old times."
The guys trying to recruit you into the Men's Movement are not trying to "make you a better man," instead they are trying to "keep you from embracing women" by making them out to be evil.
All I'm saying is, don't get svcked into what they preach, go out and experience women for yourself and you will see that MAJORITY of everything they preach is INACCURATE.
What are you talking about, the men's movement? Get it OUT of your head that masculinity and femininity can be manipulated by movements, trends, and society. I am embracing NATURE. There are laws in physics, and similarly there are natural laws for what it means to be a man.
This is my last post to you.