Tictac said:
Democrats overwhelmingly supported the war resolutions - both of them.
Saying 'oops' years later and crafting elaborate stories about how you were misled just proves that Democrats are not fit to lead.
The majority of Democrats did support the war resolutions, and they were wrong to support them. When you are being lied to with faulty evidence, that is what happens.
The Democrats didn't "craft elaborate stories about how they were misled" dumb ass. The bi partisan Senate Intelligence Report states that they were misled, with the findings that both Republicans and Democrats found in their investigations.
What were you doing for the last decade not to know about any of this?
So, if you got faulty information on something you believed to be true, and voted on it, you wouldn't admit you were wrong to vote on that? You mean you would still live in denial living a lie thinking your vote was correct? Responsible people admit when they are wrong. That is what a good leader does.
Tictac said:
There were no lies, there were no false conditions.
No lies or false conditions. :crackup:
How long do you plan to live in right wing fantasy believing in a lie they sold you?
Well, Colin Powell, his own Chief of Staff Col. Wilkerson, the Senate Intelligence Report, Republicans and Democrats said there were. Are you claiming the report, Powell, Congress members, and Wilkerson are liars and you know more about it than they do? Why don't you read and listen to factual news so you know what the hell is going on?
Tictac said:
When all you can find to support your bullsh*t lefty fantasies are old LA Times articles, you really ought to give up.
Democrats overwhelmingly supported the war resolutions - both of them.
Saying 'oops' years later and crafting elaborate stories about how you were misled just proves that Democrats are not fit to lead. .
Tictac said:
This is your typing Embers. Grow a sack and own your own typing.
You do not get your own facts. You do not get to write history to suit your liberal fantasy. There are resolutions supported by both parties in both Houses of Congress for both Itaq and Afghanistan.
You are nothing more than an empty-headed liberal shill parroting left-wing drivel.
:crackup: What "news" were you listening to a decade ago when all of this information was coming out?
Everything posted and linked below, including your right wing Fox backs up what the L.A. Times article reported that you called "left wing drivel".
Here's Colin Powell being interviewed, making the same statements the L.A. Times article reported. Are you going to call him a "Liberal" or a "liar"? Do you know more than he does old timer? Quit living in right wing fantasy old man, believing in a bunch of bullsh1t they tell you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU6KMYlDyWc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FejQH_VCB24
Senate Report on Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Report_on_Pre-war_Intelligence_on_Iraq
The Senate Report on Iraqi WMD Intelligence (formally, the "Report of the Select Committee on Intelligence on the U.S. Intelligence Community's Prewar Intelligence Assessments on Iraq") was the report by the United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence concerning the U.S. intelligence community's assessments of Iraq during the time leading up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
The report, which was released on July 9, 2004, identified numerous failures in the intelligence-gathering and -analysis process. The report found that these failures led to the creation of inaccurate materials that misled both government policy makers and the American public.
The Committee's Republican majority and Democratic minority agreed on the report's major conclusions and unanimously endorsed its findings.
The report's first conclusion points to widespread flaws in the October 2002 NIE, and attributes those flaws to failure by analysts in the intelligence community
Most of the major key judgments in the Intelligence Community’s October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE), Iraq’s Continuing Programs for Weapons of Mass Destruction, either overstated, or were not supported by, the underlying intelligence reporting. A series of failures, particularly in analytic trade craft, led to the mischaracterization of the intelligence.
Subsequent conclusions fault the intelligence community for failing to adequately explain to policymakers the uncertainties that underlay the NIE's conclusions, and for succumbing to "group think," in which the intelligence community adopted untested (and, in hindsight, unwarranted) assumptions about the extent of Iraq's WMD stockpiles and programs. The committee identified a failure to adequately supervise analysts and collectors, and a failure to develop human sources of intelligence (HUMINT) inside Iraq after the departure of international weapons inspectors in 1998. It also cited the post-9/11 environment as having led to an increase in the intensity with which policymakers review and question threat information.
Colin Powell demands answers over Curveball's WMD lies
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/feb/16/colin-powell-cia-curveball
"No lies" you say old timer?
Powell’s Chief Of Staff: Iraq Intel Was ‘Outright Lies’, But Powell Didn’t ‘Knowingly Lie’ At UN
http://www.nationalmemo.com/powells...t-lies-but-powell-didnt-knowingly-lie-at-u-n/
Colin Powell 'was lied to and used by George Bush to add credibility to invasion of Iraq'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eorge-Bush-add-credibility-invasion-Iraq.html
Colin Powell was lied to and ‘manipulated’ into supporting the invasion of Iraq, it was claimed last night.
The former Secretary of State was deliberately not told that information he used to make his famous speech justifying the war was bogus, a former colleague claimed.
Instead the George W Bush White House abused his good reputation to give the push for war much-needed credibility.
The claims were made by Lawrence Wilkerson, Powell’s former chief of staff, in an angry and revealing interview.
He spoke out after the main source for Powell’s report justifying the Iraq invasion which he presented to the UN Security Council in February 2003 admitted he made the whole thing up.
‘I have some serious doubts, I think there was some manipulation of this material and some outright lying.’ Asked if the office of former Vice President D!ck Cheney manipulated Powell into giving a speech, he replied: ‘Absolutely. Absolutely.’ He added that Colin Powell had the credibility that none of the others had because he was a war sceptic surrounded by hawks.
‘The were using him,’ Wilkerson said.
Powell has said that he wants to know why the doubts about Curveball were not raised before he gave his speech, which was seen as a crucial factor in persuading other countries to support the invasion.
But Wilkerson said that in the end even if Powell did know it would have made little difference.
‘Had Curveball not even existed we still would have gone to war because George W Bush and D!ck Cheney were determined to do so,’ he said.
'Group Think' Led To Iraq WMD Assessment
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2004/07/11/group-think-led-to-iraq-wmd-assessment/
The U.S. intelligence community overstated the threat Saddam Hussein posed to the United States and used less-than-100 percent credible information to justify the war in Iraq, the Senate Intelligence Committee found in a scathing report issued Friday.
Panel Chairman Pat Roberts (search), R-Kan., and Vice Chairman Jay Rockefeller (search), D-W.Va., released the 400-page report to the public around 10:30 a.m. EDT.
"Before the war, the U.S. intelligence community told the president, as well as the Congress and the public, that Saddam Hussein had stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons and if left unchecked, probably would have a nuclear weapon this decade," Roberts said during the press conference. "Well, today we know these assessments were wrong."
The report says U.S. intelligence analysts remained objective, but got careless, which may have led them to overestimate the threat Iraq posed to the United States, officials said. It also says U.S. officials relied too much on intelligence information from Iraqi dissidents and exiles who may have had their own agenda and didn't penetrate Saddam's inner circle effectively enough.
"The fact is, the administration, at all levels and to some extent, us [Congress], used bad information to bolster its case for war," Rockefeller said. "And we in Congress would not have authorized that war — we would not have authorized that war with 75 votes — if we knew what we know now."
"It was clear to us in this room … that they had made up their mind to go to war," Rockefeller said, adding that he regretted his vote authorizing the war.
But State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said, "The basic case was a correct one. Iraq wanted weapons of mass destruction."
And here's the lie the right wingers sell you. It went from them actually "having them" to them "wanting them". That does not constitute going to war over.
So, all these articles, including Fox, Wilkerson, 2 Senators, and Colin Powell himself, all have shown the Intelligence to be flawed and misleading that backs up the L.A. Times article and what I've said as well. What do you have to say about that old timer? You made an ass out of yourself with your gnat memory.
