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I am 18 I exercise practically every day of the week. I do weights about 4 days a week and 3 days of cardio.

I want something not go exactly get big.. but that will accelerate my gains or maybe aid me in getting ripped or something. Yes I sound vague but that is because I do no have much of an idea about supplements and that.
 

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LegendBoy said:
I am 18 I exercise practically every day of the week. I do weights about 4 days a week and 3 days of cardio.

I want something not go exactly get big.. but that will accelerate my gains or maybe aid me in getting ripped or something. Yes I sound vague but that is because I do no have much of an idea about supplements and that.
a proper diet and training routine. supplements don't really make the job easier, they're just marketed as if they will.

be more specific about your goals and give details of your current diet and routine if you want any more specific help..
 

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I am 163 pounds, 5 foot 11 inches and

wanting to getting more defined while getting stronger so I want to essentially cut fat and gain muscle and get stronger..

At the moment I am trying to not each much..

I eat an apple for breakfast then another apple 2 hours late...
then I usually eat something like a salad rolll for lunch with wholemeal bread or some seafood for lunch
then i eat another apple... then i work out and then eat a can of tuna and then I proceed to eat dinner which is usually fairly healthy and maybe a slice or two of wholemeal bread.

I have just generally counted calories last two days... and is about 1500 calories..
 

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I think what most people are going to tell you is that what you are trying to do is impossible (unless you take something that could be bad for your health AKA steroids).

Losing weight/ becoming more defined = cutting
Building muscle/ getting stronger = bulking

Chose one and start by working out for that goal and then cycle from there on out. It doesn't look like you are overweight, so I would start by bulking for about 6 wks. Then cutting and burning off that extra fat you will gain. Diesel has good guides to both stickied at the top of this forum.

Also, protein, protein, protein. It helps maintain muscle while cutting and helps you put on more muscle while bulking. Everything else is nice and fancy, but you don't really need it.
 

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will I get bigger and musclier if I cut eat below my recommended calorie intake... But continue to lift heavier weights?
 

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Cronus said:
I think what most people are going to tell you is that what you are trying to do is impossible (unless you take something that could be bad for your health AKA steroids).

Losing weight/ becoming more defined = cutting
Building muscle/ getting stronger = bulking
No, it's perfectly possible to do simultaneously, and not just for steroid users or total beginners. You fluctuate between fat burn and muscle gain during different times of the day (or different days of the week) and are consistent with your a.m. cardio plus eating a surplus on top of that; it needs precision with eating and dedication but you'll get there.
 

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LegendBoy said:
I am 163 pounds, 5 foot 11 inches and

wanting to getting more defined while getting stronger so I want to essentially cut fat and gain muscle and get stronger..

At the moment I am trying to not each much..

I eat an apple for breakfast then another apple 2 hours late...
then I usually eat something like a salad rolll for lunch with wholemeal bread or some seafood for lunch
then i eat another apple... then i work out and then eat a can of tuna and then I proceed to eat dinner which is usually fairly healthy and maybe a slice or two of wholemeal bread.

I have just generally counted calories last two days... and is about 1500 calories..
That diet will gain you no muscle
 

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You'll need ridiculously more protein than that to put on muscle.
 

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Warboss Alex said:
No, it's perfectly possible to do simultaneously, and not just for steroid users or total beginners. You fluctuate between fat burn and muscle gain during different times of the day (or different days of the week) and are consistent with your a.m. cardio plus eating a surplus on top of that; it needs precision with eating and dedication but you'll get there.

Where are you getting this? I am not flaming, I just want to know. I have never heard of this. From what you are saying it sounds possible, I just don't see it happening however. In order to make strength or muscle gains, it requires lots of calories to rebuild your muscles. In order to lose fat you cut calories. If you can show me studies of people actually controlling when they are burning fat and when they are building muscle at different times of the day, I would love to add it to my routine. :)
 

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LegendBoy said:
will I get bigger and musclier if I cut eat below my recommended calorie intake... But continue to lift heavier weights?
What you are thinking of doing will result in overtraining and is terrible for your body. You need to up your caloric intake when training with a larger volume to rebuild your muscles. Hope this helps.
 

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Where are you getting this? I am not flaming, I just want to know. I have never heard of this. From what you are saying it sounds possible, I just don't see it happening however. In order to make strength or muscle gains, it requires lots of calories to rebuild your muscles. In order to lose fat you cut calories. If you can show me studies of people actually controlling when they are burning fat and when they are building muscle at different times of the day, I would love to add it to my routine. :)

Building muscle and burning fat at the same time was talked about already a lot of times on this board. Let me link you

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=84119&highlight=build+muscle+lose+fat
 

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I obviously need more protein what are some shakes I could get.. Are all protein shakes good?? What should I look out for as in, bad signs of any brand or ingredieents..

Help!!:yes:
 

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add real food sources of protein before even considering a protein shake.

very partial list: eggs, chicken, turkey, pork, lean beef, fish, peanuts / peanut butter
 

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Cronus said:
Where are you getting this? I am not flaming, I just want to know. I have never heard of this. From what you are saying it sounds possible, I just don't see it happening however. In order to make strength or muscle gains, it requires lots of calories to rebuild your muscles. In order to lose fat you cut calories. If you can show me studies of people actually controlling when they are burning fat and when they are building muscle at different times of the day, I would love to add it to my routine. :)
What is it with people and studies.. lol. I didn't even KNOW about studies before I got onto internet message boards.

Okay, I'll give you a simple example. :) Assume you've done some heavy training sufficient to put a growth demand on your body. When you wake up in the morning, have some green/white tea or caffeine to rev up your metabolism, take some protein if you feel it's necessary, then go and walk briskly around your neighbourhood (or get on the treadmill etc).

You've got no carbs in you so you'll be burning fat from the off; 30-40 mins of walking will burn fat directly and also indirectly through the 'afterburn' effect of cardio. Catabolism will be avoided since a) it's such a light exercise anyway and b) you took some protein before which the body can use as fuel.

I can't remember the numbers but your metabolism will be increased by the cardio and you will continue to burn fat for a period of time afterwards. After your walk, take a shower, have a shave, whatever, wait at least 30 mins and then dive into your breakfast. You'll still be burning fat until there's a sufficient insulin rise to stop it (through carb intake - so if you want to continue lypolysis have yourself a protein+fat meal like a shake with olive oil or some eggs or whatever). For this part of the day you're burning fat.

Now what'll happen if you eat your arse off for the rest of the day? Protein from complete sources, low GI carbs, good fats, a surplus of calories to rebuild the muscles you stimulated through your training. Eating proper meal combinations, high protein, water, veggies, timing carbs etc will help keep your metabolism roaring and avoid adipose storage while still providing aminos for muscular growth. For this part of the day you're building muscle with the surplus.

This way you can slowly chip away at your fat stores while still packing on lean mass. Now don't expect miraculous results, this is a slow process, however it's much easier on your body and fairly easy to maintain.

Don't think you can put on 50lbs and get down to 4% bodyfat simultaneously either - but for the average guy who wants more-than-average muscle and a six pack, this is the way to do it. Again I repeat, it requires clean eating, dedication with the cardio (since you won't be cutting calories to burn fat, this is your biggest fat burning tool) and precision with the eating (this is not a bbing.com 'bulk').

Now if you're an extreme endomorph or ectomorph then this might not work for you - endos don't generally need a surplus to gain muscle and ectos can't do too much cardio. In both of these cases there are other things to do BUT I don't believe that such extreme cases are as a common as people make them out to be .. 'extreme endomorphs' are generally lazy people with ****ty diets and 'extreme ectomorphs' are generally people who claim to 'eat like a horse' but their daily intake is less than my puppy's.
 

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you Brits aren't bombarded with useless TV ads, radio ads, and infomericials chock full of statements beginning "[clinical] studies have shown..."? It's the quickest way to put a (pseudo-)scientific gloss on any product here in the U.S. of A.
 

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I bought some whey protein and it taste like **** ... loll...

Few questions...

Having it once a day after my workout is that good enough with also a can of tuna during the day?

Also if my last workout is at like 7.30 would it be bad making that my last meal??

What things can I do to make the shake taste better?

Also is a 6pac realistic in 100 days?? Or close to it? Accroding to them machines my body fat is 16.5%
 

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LegendBoy said:
I bought some whey protein and it taste like **** ... loll...

Few questions...

Having it once a day after my workout is that good enough with also a can of tuna during the day?

OF COURSE NOT. PROTEIN INTAKE MUST BE CONTINUOUS. WORK OUT YOUR PROTEIN NEEDS (1.5-2g PER LB BODYWEIGHT) AND EAT IN EQUAL SERVINGS OVER 5-6 MEALS. TAKE 2 SCOOPS AFTER YOUR WORKOUT MINIMUM ALONG WITH FAST, SLOW OR MIXED CARBS

Also if my last workout is at like 7.30 would it be bad making that my last meal??

I WOULD HAVE ANOTHER MEAL AT AROUND 9-9:30 WITH PROTEIN AND MAYBE 1/2 SERVING SLOW CARBS

What things can I do to make the shake taste better?

FIND A BRAND YOU LIKE LOL

Also is a 6pac realistic in 100 days?? Or close to it? Accroding to them machines my body fat is 16.5%

IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY..
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Welll I don't know much bout it so I might throw in an egg and a little milk and maybe some honey...
 
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