Suicides higher among men

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"The overall U.S. suicide rate among men is four times higher than in women —about 23 per 100,000 versus about 6 per 100,000 in women, according to the most recent government data."

The article focuses on suicide rates in doctors, but mentions in a little segment how suicide is more prevalent among men than women.

I'm sure this has been discussed here already, I don't remember if it has or not, but I think it's important to address to men, because it's a further solid foundation on which to make the claim that it's "because men have life harder". Really, why else would a guy commit suicide(other than mental illness, such as a chemical imbalance)? What else would contribute to suicide being higher among men, other than men having it harder out there(particularly with women)?

Also, I wanted to mention that out of all suicides among men, it is mostly SINGLE men who commit suicide, which of course doesn't surprise me at all. I learned about that statistic in Sociology many yrs ago. And I think that's solid ground to conclude it's most likely due to men having it harder with women. What else can it be, besides just mental illness(a chemical imbalance)?

I think it's fair enough to say most of mens "problems" stem from women. If it weren't that difficult to get women, a lot of things would be different.

Now lets take women out of the eqaution for a minute. When I think about my life, I see that I really have no problems. I really have NOTHING AT ALL to complain about. If I have any problems, they are so insignificant and trivial. But now put women back into the equation, and any real problems that I do have, they stem from women. Now listen, don't misinterpret what I just said for, "Living for women and revolving my life around them". That is not the case at all. I focus on many other things besides women. But nobody here can deny either that we do need women around either for pleasure or companipnship, or both. That is the truth. Me personally, I just need women around for the pleasure aspect . I could care less about her "companionship". I mean, sure it's nice to bond with a woman, and I do enjoy it, but its not a necessity for me in life. I'd be fine having f*ck buddies for the rest of my life. But back to my point, the problems we face, are mainly due to women.

 

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And here's the link to that article:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080508/ap_on_he_me/doctor_suicides

 

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And I also forgot to mention something else of importance. If I took an educated guess, I'd say the small percent of women who do commit suicide are generally those who are unnattractive and have it difficult with men. The others I'll say have mental illnesses(chemical imbalances) that cause them to commit suicide.

 

[Poonani Maker]

I wish more fat women would commit suicide. I had one insipid fat chick cashier at Wal-Mart today make me show her my ID to squint and discern a match with my credit card. I think she only wasted my time because I'm good looking and gave off a vibe that I wouldn't have anything to do with her.

Also, she was so lazy that she asked me to push the groceries closer to her after I'd already gotten them out for her. You think she could stretch her arms to grab the last remaining items, but I think that she just wanted to order me around because I'm so far out of her league of hogs.

 

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I wish more fat women would commit suicide.

That's f*cked up man. NOBODY deserves to die. Fat women are people too. There are a lot of people that can't help that they're unnattractive. That's why I'm glad to see below average guys pull hot women. Everyone deserves a shot. The only thing I don't like is when I see more below avg. men with hot women, as opposed to seeing just as many good-looking men with them.

 

[DJ Noble]

"The overall U.S. suicide rate among men is four times higher than in women —about 23 per 100,000 versus about 6 per 100,000 in women, according to the most recent government data."

Men having a higher success rate of suicide. Males tend to succeed by going the rope or a firearm route while females fail by resorting to wrist cutting or the sleeping pill overdose method.

Back in high school there was a girl who "attempted suicide" by filling the bathtub up with water. She got in the tub, but then found that the cord on the hair dryer wasn't long enough.:crazy:

 

[Maxtro]

Men having a higher success rate of suicide. Males tend to succeed by going the rope or a firearm route while females fail by resorting to wrist cutting or the sleeping pill overdose method.

I have heard that also. More men are "successful" with suicide then women are. The most important facts would be the rates of attempted suicides.

I would like to believe that men have higher rates of suicide because we have harder more painful lives. But I know so little about women I don't have a clue about what kinds of issues they have to deal with. I can't make any judgments.

Edit: Did a little research

Attempted Suicides

* No annual national data on attempted suicide are available; reliable scientific research, however, has found that:

* There are an estimated 8-25 attempted suicides to one completion; the ratio is higher in women and youth and lower in men and the elderly
* More women than men report a history of attempted suicide, with a gender ratio of 3:1

 

[Bible_Belt]

Women have more car wrecks, too, but when men wreck a car, they do it a lot more effectively than women, causing more damage. Suicide is similar, for the reasons already posted, mostly the methods employed.

Something like 20% of all people with borderline personality disorder, 90% of whom are female, will die by suicide. A bpd girl is almost guaranteed to at least try to kill herself at least once. Bipolar disorder and untreated chronic depression are also risk factors; those affect both genders about equally, unlike bpd.

 

[Alexander the Great]

I wish more fat women would commit suicide. I had one insipid fat chick cashier at Wal-Mart today make me show her my ID to squint and discern a match with my credit card. I think she only wasted my time because I'm good looking and gave off a vibe that I wouldn't have anything to do with her.

Also, she was so lazy that she asked me to push the groceries closer to her after I'd already gotten them out for her. You think she could stretch her arms to grab the last remaining items, but I think that she just wanted to order me around because I'm so far out of her league of hogs.

We all hate it when fat people want something from us. But to say that you hope they'd kill themselves more often because of that, is a little sad.

This insensitivity is inhuman, Mr. P.M.. Combined with your statement about how good-looking you are, it just shows how self-absorbed you really are.

You aren't being "DJ" by excrementing statements like this. You're just being an arrogant, frustrated little boy. What the hell are you doing in the mature man forum?


On topic:

I wasn't aware of this statistic, not really anyway, but doesn't surprise me. Men have it much harder in society. They ball is always with us. The expectations are with us. We carry life. Women may make it, but of us it is suspected that we feed it, support it and all that. Of men it is expected that they create their dreams. For a woman, it's okay if she marries and has children. If a man does that... right.

That can be quite a burden and not all of us are up to that task. I feel pity for those and nothing but that. Sure, everyone may be responsible for themselves, their lives and what happens to them. But not everyone is keen enough to realize this and pick themselves up and change for the better. Those on this forum may count themselves a lucky few.

And while I'm inclined to this pity, I don't excuse people when they mess up by suicide. I just wish I had a chance to show them how it can be done. I think everyone should feel that way.

That's why it's important to life in your own universe and screw expectations. Something another thread already touched.

 

[betterthandead]

Well of course men have higher suicide rates. They are less likely to form real/honest social bonds with another male and less likely to develop themselves fully as masculine men. Because they feel inadequate they off themselves for that reason of failing themselves and others.

There are a lot of loser men out there you know, a lot more than loser women. I see threads on here of men complainnig about women and I wonder if any of them is that 300lb goatee loser who thinks it's cool to play grand theft auto at the age of 32 on the entire weekend staying in doors. Or that good looking but large fat ass ego in his head thinking he's so great he has to make sure everyone is below him. You see, even if a woman is a loser she's able to still form social bonds with other women or family members.

 

[betterthandead]

I just like to add on Poonani Maker's point on "fat women" , They kinda turn me off and they don't bug me as much as fat dudes are. Unlike fat women, fat men seriously do not take care of themselves compared to fat women, they smell worser just piss me off. I think the only people that can make fun of fat women are women themselves.

WHenever I meet a really fat guy who is like a man-child with that typical 1-2mm haircut, I immediately label him pedophile. Infact I would not doubt he is a gay pedophile either.

 

[slaog]

I heard a Scottish expert on the radio before talking about it and he said the reason why many more men commit suicide is because of FEMINISM!

He went on to mention how it's ok for women to make fun of men and treat them like fools and said you see this all the time in the media (and he mentioned some advertisments) but said you'd never see men make fun of women because there are so many womens groups that would be going mad.

 

[Nelford]

I knew this fat girl that was real cute but no one wanted her because she was fat. She lost a lot of weight and had all the girls jelous of her. All the guys wanted her now that she lost the weight. The girl fell into a depression and killed herself.

 

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He went on to mention how it's ok for women to make fun of men and treat them like fools and said you see this all the time in the media (and he mentioned some advertisments) but said you'd never see men make fun of women because there are so many womens groups that would be going mad.

Aren't men dumb and foolish? Everytime I see a man on tv, if he's not a total tard who needs to have his woman chew his food for him, then he's a calculating predator taking advantage of the helpless women out there. Inbetween this is the helpless Nice Guy who never gets the girl. Really no way out is there. Look men have been opressing women for thousands of years, it's kind of our turn right? Who are you to criticise the way men are portrayed in the media? Is ruling the ENTIRE WORLD not enough for you?

The guys who disagree with this are misogynists. Men grow up watching this, watching women rule the men, so they think to get a girl, she has to rule him. Or the girl is hurt by the bad player man, so they think to get the girl they have to be her buddy and be her personal Dr. Phil.

I am really glad I found this place and learned that masculinity isn't a bad thing. On the occasions I do watch TV these days, I just get sick with how men act. Almost never positive. Almost ALL from a pro-female anti-male perspective.

Oh yeah that's called the matrix.

 

[KontrollerX]

I knew this fat girl that was real cute but no one wanted her because she was fat. She lost a lot of weight and had all the girls jelous of her. All the guys wanted her now that she lost the weight. The girl fell into a depression and killed herself.

Damn.

Do you think it was because she thought she'd get a bunch of female friends finally out of losing the weight but once she did they just hated her more?

"There are a lot of loser men out there you know, a lot more than loser women. I see threads on here of men complainnig about women and I wonder if any of them is that 300lb goatee loser who thinks it's cool to play grand theft auto at the age of 32 on the entire weekend staying in doors."

Kind of funny as most of the guys who complain about GTA players staying indoors to play it tend to be the same guys that think watching ESPN sports center all day is a productive use of their time.

The real truth is being a DJ is all about doing what you want to do when you want to do it so whether it be watching sport's center or playing GTA on weekends do what makes you feel good and what you think makes you cool. Not what someone else would think should make you feel good or make you cool to preserve your image in their eyes.

Bowing to peer pressure to keep up appearances makes you a phony and an AFC of the highest order.

So instead of that be a DJ and learn to multi-task school or work, the social life and the downtime and you'll be good to go.

 

[SinJester]

I would say every man who commits suicide is an AFC. It's harder for men because it's not socially acceptable for us to be depressed, have feelings or cry. This is despite most guys being AFCs today, they still don't feel like they can express themselves. This leads to repression and a feeling of being along and then possibly suicide.

Back in high school there was a girl who "attempted suicide" by filling the bathtub up with water. She got in the tub, but then found that the cord on the hair dryer wasn't long enough.

Haha I know of someone who tried to commit suicide by taking 3 panadols. They are paracetemon tablets, don't know what you have in the U.S and the reccomended dosage is 2.

I know a few people who have slit their wrists and it disgusts me. Half of them do it for the attention. It's ridiculous and sad how many people in high school become seriously depressed and contemplate suicide. And guess what, usually its because of a girl. I had to talk someone out of jumping to his death once, because of a girl. If people had real masculine role models and someone actually taught them how to deal with women we wouldn't have this problem. Like reset I'm really glad I found this place. Even if I didn't I could never resort to suicide, I'm not selfish enough.

Another thing is that girls have support groups of friends and they can talk about how they feel and are a lot more open. Most guys would never consider telling his guy friends about his 'feelings'. So even though femenism is a bad thing guys should at least be able to express themselves freely. The thing is they shouldn't end up in that place to start with. I think a lot of people could be saved just by having someone to talk to, it's amazing how much of a differance thta makes.

Kind of funny as most of the guys who complain about GTA players staying indoors to play it tend to be the same guys that think watching ESPN sports center all day is a productive use of their time.

Hah I know lots of people like that. I just get called a nerd when I call them out. I try and explain how is watching sport all day by yourself in you room and cooler or more productive than video games or reading. You just can't get through to them because it threatens their identity.

 

[Interceptor]

The repression and suppression of feelings may usually cause an implosion of sorts
When it takes over the body, the negative and 'painful' emotions form their own 'energetic' body called the 'pain body'
Most people beleive this 'pain body' and are consumed by it. It is like an electro magentic field, it influences one's actions if one isnt aware of it.


Without proper channeling of emotions for men, they become black holes, a vacuum that becomes denser and denser.
Men must learn to deal and work through their emotions, and learn how to step back and gain perspective on circumstances
It is important to gain perspective and not always label circumstances as GOOD or BAD

Most men believe thatthe proper handling of emotions are to suppress them and shove them down and not feel them

But this is unhealthy and immature.

Men must accept that emotions are a gift, and that it is their responsibility to place them in the proper perspective and importance.

The building of Life Skills helps a man grow up to be more functional and independent, and more self sufficient.
One of these skills is handling different emotions arising from experiencing life circumstances

Work on your life skills at coping and management, and you are better prepared to deal with things like depression, grief, and loss

They are real
but they dont have to have such a detrimental effect on you
it doesnt mean to not feel, it means to feel yet put it in it's proper place

honor it, accept it, respect it, embrace it


But do not let it collapse you..

 

[LostAndConfused]

Life is generally harder for men than it is for women overall.

Even a fairly attractive girl would never be able to comprehend the average man's burden.

 

[LostAndConfused]

Back in high school there was a girl who "attempted suicide" by filling the bathtub up with water. She got in the tub, but then found that the cord on the hair dryer wasn't long enough.:crazy:

Bïtch never heard about an extension cord LOL!

And if a girl is a loser, she can always find a boy thats even more of a loser to LBJF around.

I went to a therapist because I went through what interceptor described.

And nelford there was a guy like that three grades above me. He was late finishing puberty, so when he came back to school in his senior year he was alot more masculine and attractive and he had alot of female attention. He failed at suicide though and everyone found out about it and his parents pulled him out of school. I'm late finishing it too so I guess Im going to learn from his mistake.

 

[BadsnakeUK]

As my dad used to joke:

Why do married men die before their wives?

Because they want to